Until Medical Bills Do Us Part

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Until Medical Bills Do Us Part

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By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: August 29, 2009

Critics fret that health care reform would undermine American family values, not least by convening somber death panels to wheel away Grandma as if she were Old Yeller.

But peel away the emotions and fearmongering, and in fact it is the existing system that unnecessarily takes lives and breaks apart families.

My friend M. — you’ll understand in a moment why she’s terrified of my using her name — had to make a searing decision a year ago. She was married to a sweet, gentle man whom she loved, but who had become increasingly absent-minded. Finally, he was diagnosed with early-onset dementia.

The disease is degenerative, and he will become steadily less able to care for himself. At some point, as his medical needs multiply, he will probably need to be institutionalized.

The hospital arranged a conference call with a social worker, who outlined how the dementia and its financial toll on the family would progress, and then added, out of the blue: “Maybe you should divorce.”

“I was blown away,” M. told me. But, she said, the hospital staff members explained that they had seen it all before, many times. If M.’s husband required long-term care, the costs would be catastrophic even for a middle-class family with savings.

Eventually, after the expenses whittled away their combined assets, her husband could go on Medicaid — but by then their children’s nest egg would be gone, along with her 401(k) plan. She would face a bleak retirement with neither her husband nor her savings.

A complicating factor was that this was a second marriage. M.’s first husband had died, leaving an inheritance that he had intended for their children. She and her second husband had a prenuptial agreement, but that would not protect her assets from his medical expenses.

The hospital told M. not to waste time in dissolving the marriage. For five years after any divorce, her assets could be seized — precisely because the government knows that people sometimes divorce husbands or wives to escape their medical bills.

“How could I divorce him? I loved him,” she told me.

“I explored a lot of options with an attorney here in town,” she added. “The attorney said, ‘I don’t see any other options for you.’ It took about a year for me to do the divorce, it was so hard.”

So M. divorced the man she loves. I asked him what he thought of this. He can still speak, albeit not always coherently, and he paused a long, long time. All he could manage was: “It’s hard to say.”

Long-term care constitutes a difficult and expensive challenge in any health system. But the American patchwork, full of cracks through which people fall, has a special problem with medical expenses of all kinds bankrupting couples.

A study reported in The American Journal of Medicine this month found that 62 percent of American bankruptcies are linked to medical bills. These medical bankruptcies had increased nearly 50 percent in just six years. Astonishingly, 78 percent of these people actually had health insurance, but the gaps and inadequacies left them unprotected when they were hit by devastating bills.

M. still helps her husband and, quietly, continues to live with him and care for him. But she worries that the authorities will come after her if they realize that they divorced not because of irreconcilable differences but because of irreconcilable medical bills. There were awkward questions from friends who saw the divorce announcement in the newspaper.

“It’s just crazy,” she said. “It twists people like pretzels.”

The existing system doesn’t just break up families, it also costs lives. A 2004 study by the Institute of Medicine, a branch of the National Academy of Sciences, found that lack of health insurance causes 18,000 unnecessary deaths a year. That’s one person slipping through the cracks and dying every half an hour.

In short, it’s a good bet that our existing dysfunctional health system knocks off far more people than an army of “death panels” could — even if they existed, worked 24/7 and got around in a fleet of black helicopters.

So, for those of you inclined to believe the worst about President Obama, think it through. Suppose he is indeed a secret, foreign-born Muslim agent who is scheming to undermine American family values while killing off as many grandmothers as possible.

If all that were true, why on earth would he be trying so hard to reform our health care system? We already know how to prod families into divorce and take a life unnecessarily every 30 minutes — all we need to do is reject reform and stick with exactly what we have.
 
Yep for 5 years they can come and seize assets given to children or family.

You are not supposed to have anything when you go in America. The health care industry is supposed to get it all.
 
The very FACT that the biggest cause of personal bankruptcy in America is healthcare costs .. AND, AND, AND, the majority of those who face bankruptcy because of healthcare costs are people who HAVE healthcare "insurance" .. yet we face the chaos we see over getting healthcare for all Americans .. which the rest of the industrialized planet already has .. PROVES beyond all reasonable doubt that America is a stupid country.
 
The very FACT that the biggest cause of personal bankruptcy in America is healthcare costs .. AND, AND, AND, the majority of those who face bankruptcy because of healthcare costs are people who HAVE healthcare "insurance" .. yet we face the chaos we see over getting healthcare for all Americans .. which the rest of the industrialized planet already has .. PROVES beyond all reasonable doubt that America is a stupid country.
Hey, BAC did you watch the Moyer segment? I think you would like it!
 
you realize of course, that the current health care reform proposals in Congress provide no funds for long term care....which means only one thing.....thread fail.....
 
You'd a think a "pro family" guy like yourself would jump at the chance to support something that would reduce divorce.

you realize of course, that the current health care reform proposals in Congress provide no funds for long term care....which means only one thing.....thread fail.....

Fact fail. You just pull anything you want out of that huge ass of yours hoping it'll stick.

No funds for long term care? Are you joking?

It provides funds for both hospitalization and habilitative services with no lifetime limits to coverage and no ability to drop you from coverage the way private plans can. LIFETIME of hospitalization sounds like long term care to me.

No lifetime limits:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=ih&nid=t0:ih:312

Essential benefits: hospitalization
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=ih&nid=t0:ih:316
 
You'd a think a "pro family" guy like yourself would jump at the chance to support something that would reduce divorce.



Fact fail. You just pull anything you want out of that huge ass of yours hoping it'll stick.

No funds for long term care? Are you joking?

It provides funds for both hospitalization and habilitative services with no lifetime limits to coverage and no ability to drop you from coverage the way private plans can. LIFETIME of hospitalization sounds like long term care to me.

No lifetime limits:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=ih&nid=t0:ih:312

Essential benefits: hospitalization
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=ih&nid=t0:ih:316

no son....we're talking nursing home care here, not hospitalization....now you have a double fail....
 
Nope, there is a two year window period.

Five years if you go into a nursing home.


Show me where it changed if it did.

It is a part of end of life planning for many I know. Give the homestead to a trusted child at least 5 years before you expect to have to go into a nursing home.
 
Five years if you go into a nursing home.


Show me where it changed if it did.

It is a part of end of life planning for many I know. Give the homestead to a trusted child at least 5 years before you expect to have to go into a nursing home.

actually, nursing homes are covered under Medicaid, not Medicare....each state sets it's own rules regarding recovery of Medicaid assistance....you may both be right if you live in different states.....by the way USC, you realize of course that divestment to avoid paying for your own care is an act of fraud against the government, right?......giving to a "trusted" child implies an intent to control the funds after transfer, thus, would not be a permissible disbursement.....
 
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actually, nursing homes are covered under Medicaid, not Medicare....each state sets it's own rules regarding recovery of Medicaid assistance....you may both be right if you live in different states.....by the way USC, you realize of course that divestment to avoid paying for your own care is an act of fraud against the government, right?......giving to a "trusted" child implies an intent to control the funds after transfer, thus, would not be a permissible disbursement.....


so you support the medical insdustry bleeding all the money they can out of old dying people?
 
so you support the medical insdustry bleeding all the money they can out of old dying people?

???....I don't support people lying so they can rip off taxpayers....people save for their retirement so they can pay their bills, not so they can dodge their bills and leave money to their kids.....
 
America IS a stupid country just chock full of morons.

These morons keep repeating the same obvious lies over an over again in defense of a healthcare industry that doesn't give a damn about them or their families.

.. just astounding
 
America IS a stupid country just chock full of morons.

These morons keep repeating the same obvious lies over an over again in defense of a healthcare industry that doesn't give a damn about them or their families.

.. just astounding

The pharmaceutical lobby supports the plan.
 
They support Obama protectionism of their part of the fraud.

Obama’s Health Care Plan Is Being Crafted To Profit Big Pharma And Other Corporate Interests
http://justanothercoverup.com/?p=638

By the way, if you haven't noticed, I do not support Obama's healthcare tweaking plan.

I support REAL healthcare reform.

Yeah too bad we are not gonna get it. We will get something which will route more consumer and tax dollars to the health care industry and provide minimal conumer benefit for the dollars spent. As you and I have been saying for some time.

Damn corporate controlled govt.
 
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