Is cancelation of student debt "fair?"

T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. Education has more to do with the student's family background than the school they attend. That is, if a student comes from a home that values education, has more opportunities to learn outside of school like books and parents that are well educated, they do better than students that come from a broken home where television is the only media available. Sure, there are exceptions both ways there but that is the general case.



Then why nationally is there no correlation between funding and results in public education?


https://www.npri.org/commentary/ana...n-education-spending-and-student-achievement/


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/public-spending-education-_b_1883387


https://www.americanexperiment.org/is-there-a-link-between-school-spending-student-achievement/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realsp...to-improved-student-learning/?sh=3b1a40055135



They are when they are the only teachers. Few or no male role models for boys is an issue. I could toss in the inequity and unfairness of having a female dominated education system too. Don't Progressives like you rail against such inequities in gender when it goes the other way?



States may fund their education systems but they still have to follow state and federal regulations on things like workplace safety and environmental rules in handling chemicals. The easiest route for a school system to take to do that is to eliminate most or all programs that would involve such issues and avoid dealing with them entirely. That means fewer trade and learning opportunities for students involving these things. No more shop programs. No hands on chemistry experiments--or limiting them to ones that don't involve chemicals that could be hazardous.
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The trick they use is to average all the numbers in instead of apply them by county, which is where the funding starts.

Example: https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/student-outcomes-does-more-money-really-matter/2019/06
“Saying money doesn’t matter is something that would be convenient if it were true,” said Diane Whitmore Schanzenbach, a Northwestern University labor economist who found that states that overhaul their school finance systems see a significant positive impact on student-test scores.

And part of that improvement, she says, comes from tighter tracking and control of how money gets spent along the way.

“In the old days, money didn’t matter as much because schools weren’t held accountable for their outcomes,” said Schanzenbach. “Now that we have more accountability, the relationship between money and achievement has changed.”
 
We need permanent, automatic stabilization solutions not micromanagement.

Equal protection of our own at-will employment laws can improve the efficiency of our economy and our standard of living.
 
danielpalos said:
We need permanent, automatic stabilization solutions not micromanagement.

Equal protection of our own at-will employment laws can improve the efficiency of our economy and our standard of living.
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Less antidisestablishmentarianism would be necessary to stabilize the desire for disestablishmentarianism.
 
If you're whining about student debt being forgiven for 50M people because you're not getting anything out of it, maybe you should ask your boss for a raise then.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The trick they use is to average all the numbers in instead of apply them by county, which is where the funding starts.

Example: https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/student-outcomes-does-more-money-really-matter/2019/06
“Saying money doesn’t matter is something that would be convenient if it were true,” said Diane Whitmore Schanzenbach, a Northwestern University labor economist who found that states that overhaul their school finance systems see a significant positive impact on student-test scores.

And part of that improvement, she says, comes from tighter tracking and control of how money gets spent along the way.

“In the old days, money didn’t matter as much because schools weren’t held accountable for their outcomes,” said Schanzenbach. “Now that we have more accountability, the relationship between money and achievement has changed.”
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This depends on the state and how a particular state funds education. In Arizona, schools are all equally funded by law. School districts pool the tax money at the state level and it is distributed across all districts. So, there are no "rich" or "poor" districts. Now, a district can get additional funds directly donated by people living in it. This typically occurs as a tax write off--I know, I did it again this year to the tune of just under $300--to bring your state tax bill down to zero so you don't have to pay that money in taxes. You can donate that money to any school you want, public or private too. Many private schools actually run ads here asking you to donate this way if you have a tax payment.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
This depends on the state and how a particular state funds education. In Arizona, schools are all equally funded by law. School districts pool the tax money at the state level and it is distributed across all districts. So, there are no "rich" or "poor" districts. Now, a district can get additional funds directly donated by people living in it. This typically occurs as a tax write off--I know, I did it again this year to the tune of just under $300--to bring your state tax bill down to zero so you don't have to pay that money in taxes. You can donate that money to any school you want, public or private too. Many private schools actually run ads here asking you to donate this way if you have a tax payment.
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I think we can agree that just throwing money at a problem often fails; it's how the money is applied that obtains results.

Do you agree that a student is likely to do better at a safe, clean, well lit, comfortable school properly staffed with highly qualified teachers assigning uptodate textbooks and computers rather than a barn with wooden benches and shared 20 year old textbooks led a newly minted Education major from Podunk U?

Each state decides how to do their funding but some states are richer than others. Do you agree that Congress should work with states to better fund the poorer schools? If not, why not?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I think we can agree that just throwing money at a problem often fails; it's how the money is applied that obtains results.

Do you agree that a student is likely to do better at a safe, clean, well lit, comfortable school properly staffed with highly qualified teachers assigning uptodate textbooks and computers rather than a barn with wooden benches and shared 20 year old textbooks led a newly minted Education major from Podunk U?

Each state decides how to do their funding but some states are richer than others. Do you agree that Congress should work with states to better fund the poorer schools? If not, why not?
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I see it as students do better with a teacher that thoroughly knows the subject matter and is motivated to teach it regardless of their paper credentials. The worst teacher is one that rests their supposed ability on those paper credentials but in reality knows little about the subject matter and is mostly going through the motions rather than motivated to teach.

The setting is not nearly as important. Students with an excellent teacher will perform better in a modest classroom than students with a mediocre teacher in one with all the latest bells and whistles.
 
If you are doing something wrong, should you stop or are you committed to doing it for all eternity because it impacted others when you were doing it before?
 
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All education should be free to those that want it.

The likes of the capitalist Brit maggot want just enough to prevent the slaves from getting any.
 
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Nothing is free.

Equal treatment under the law applies.

Students who have paid their contractual debts are treated differently than those who don’t.
 
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