US boasts of sending weapons to Ukraine ‘every day’

[moon]

US boasts of sending weapons to Ukraine ‘every day’
Biden’s top security advisor says US will give Kiev all that it needs to help weaken Russia

US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said President Joe Biden’s administration was racing to fulfill Ukraine’s weapons wish list, ensuring that the former Soviet republic has all that it needs to repel the Russian invasion and help meet Washington’s goal of weakening and isolating Moscow.

“We are doing everything we can as the United States, working around the clock, to deliver our own weapons and . . . organizing and coordinating the delivery of weapons from many other countries so that Ukraine has what it needs,” Sullivan said on Sunday in an NBC News interview. “Weapons are arriving every day, including today.”

Sullivan noted that he and Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had a two-hour telephone call with top Ukrainian defense officials to go over and prioritize all of the weapons systems that Kiev is seeking. The US is working through that list as quickly as possible “to get Ukraine what it needs to strengthen its hand on the battlefield and to strengthen its hand at the bargaining table,” the security advisor said.

https://www.rt.com/news/553641-us-accelerates-ukraine-weapons-aid/

Without them- far fewer people would die.

Arms manufacturers are planning their new super-yachts.

Dumbass believers in NATO are feeling smug at the prospect of more gore.

 

[Walt]

Without them- far fewer people would die.

Without those weapons, far fewer Russian invaders would die, and far more Ukrainian civilians would die.

 

[Lightbringer]

Without those weapons, far fewer Russian invaders would die, and far more Ukrainian civilians would die.

I think you're missing the point...again.

 

[Walt]

I think you're missing the point...again.

Ukrainians are not going to surrender. If they really felt they were being liberated, as Putin promised, they would have surrendered by now. The only question is whether they will have the weapons to fight successfully or not.

 

[Lightbringer]

Ukrainians are not going to surrender. If they really felt they were being liberated, as Putin promised, they would have surrenderee d by now. The only question is whether they will have the weapons to fight successfully or not.

They've already lost Walt. You love freedom, right? How come you weren't as zealous about the events in Sudan?

 

[Walt]

They've already lost Walt.

We were all sure that Russia would take Kyiv in a day or two, a week at most. It is nearly two months later, and the Russians are retreating a bit in defeat. They were not able to make it the hundred miles to Kyiv.

We have all learned that Russia is much weaker than any of us thought. Russia is no longer going to win big. In fact, it is now only a question of how they are going to get out of this disaster.

 

[Lightbringer]

We were all sure that Russia would take Kyiv in a day or two, a week at most. It is nearly two months later, and the Russians are retreating a bit in defeat. They were not able to make it the hundred miles to Kyiv.

We have all learned that Russia is much weaker than any of us thought. Russia is no longer going to win big. In fact, it is now only a question of how they are going to get out of this disaster.

Only morons thought Russia was going for Kiev. We all thought? No...WE didn't all think. I never for one second thought Russia cared about Kiev. You being an idiot is not my concern.

 

[Walt]

Only morons thought Russia was going for Kiev. We all thought? No...WE didn't all think. I never for one second thought Russia cared about Kiev. You being an idiot is not my concern.

The Russians lost quite a few lives headed for Kyiv. It was kind a weird feign, costing greatly, if they had no intention of actually going for Kyiv.

 

[moon]

Ukrainians are not going to surrender. .

.....except for the thousands of troops in Mariupol that, reportedly, just did. They're the ones we've heard about.

 

[moon]

It appears that the West doesn’t want peace in Ukraine
Rather than pursuing a truce, the US and allies are doing all they can to turn the Ukraine conflict into a proxy war against Russia

the United States also confirmed a new $800 million package of military aid to Kiev, including new heavier weapons, while EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell recently affirmed a commitment for Kiev to win on the ‘battlefield’. As Moscow gears up for a new offensive to secure the Donbass region, it should be abundantly clear that the Western powers are not seeking to resolve the conflict or secure peace, but to escalate it and transform it into a fully-fledged proxy war against Russia.

https://www.rt.com/news/553925-west-want-war-moscow/

 

[dukkha]

Without those weapons, far fewer Russian invaders would die, and far more Ukrainian civilians would die.

maybe. but it's also prolonging the war.
the bad thing is I never hear a fucking word from the Biden neocons about ending the war
Peace talks are just glossed over

 

[dukkha]

It appears that the West doesn’t want peace in Ukraine
Rather than pursuing a truce, the US and allies are doing all they can to turn the Ukraine conflict into a proxy war against Russia

the United States also confirmed a new $800 million package of military aid to Kiev, including new heavier weapons, while EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell recently affirmed a commitment for Kiev to win on the ‘battlefield’. As Moscow gears up for a new offensive to secure the Donbass region, it should be abundantly clear that the Western powers are not seeking to resolve the conflict or secure peace, but to escalate it and transform it into a fully-fledged proxy war against Russia.

https://www.rt.com/news/553925-west-want-war-moscow/

this

 

[Walt]

maybe. but it's also prolonging the war.

That is like arguing that Jews fleeing the Holocaust only prolongs the Holocaust. Technically by not dying quickly, it prolongs the dying, but the time is not the important thing. It is the deaths.

the bad thing is I never hear a fucking word from the Biden neocons about ending the war

Biden is a Democrat, not a NeoCon. NeoCons are a Republican movement. They also call themselves Neo-Reaganites. Whether they do or don't follow Reagan's ideology, they believe they do. Biden has no affinity for Reagan.

Biden has spoken about offering Putin an "off ramp", which would end the war. Your problem is that Biden is not trying to help Putin win the war. We cannot force the Ukrainians to surrender and kill their children, so we cannot force them to let Putin win.

 

[Walt]

this

You are basing your argument on Russia Today, Putin's propaganda site?

 

[dukkha]

That is like arguing that Jews fleeing the Holocaust only prolongs the Holocaust. Technically by not dying quickly, it prolongs the dying, but the time is not the important thing. It is the deaths.



Biden is a Democrat, not a NeoCon. NeoCons are a Republican movement. They also call themselves Neo-Reaganites. Whether they do or don't follow Reagan's ideology, they believe they do. Biden has no affinity for Reagan.

Biden has spoken about offering Putin an "off ramp", which would end the war. Your problem is that Biden is not trying to help Putin win the war. We cannot force the Ukrainians to surrender and kill their children, so we cannot force them to let Putin win.

the neocons have moved to the Dems.as the Republicans kicked most of them out under Trump
Vicky Nuland is in the Biden adm. so is Sullivan. both are neocons. Vindman, Fiona Hill the whole crowd

Ukraine can fight to the last person and the country can be in rubble for all I care
But that's what is happening.. there is no push for peace, not from Zelensky or Biden or NATO

Dems used to be the party for peace too - that went out the window with Libya and arming Syrian rebels

Keep sending arms, Putin will keep destroying the place but has warned if we keep doing this he's going after NATO supplies..all I care about is not getting sucked into this war. Ukraine and Russia are bound by a border. Some adult should step up and start the peace process

 

[dukkha]

You are basing your argument on Russia Today, Putin's propaganda site?

basing my comment on the truth. the source is unimportant

a fully-fledged proxy war against Russia.

 

[Walt]

the neocons have moved to the Dems.

Name some of them? Just a half dozen or so names of Neo-Cons who have switched parties, and then moved up in the Democrats to positions of power will do. I cannot think of even one.

Vicky Nuland is in the Biden adm. so is Sullivan. both are neocons.

Neither Nuland nor Sullivan have ever been Republicans, much less Neo-Cons. Both opposed the Neo-Cons.

But that's what is happening.. there is no push for peace, not from Zelensky or Biden or NATO

There has been a huge push for peace, Putin has refused. Maybe if he can be made to realize he has lost, he will be willing to take the off ramp.

Dems used to be the party for peace too - that went out the window with Libya and arming Syrian rebels

Democrats worked hard to build coalitions that could be peaceful in both Libya and Syria. Neither Libyans nor Syrians needed much arming.

Ukraine and Russia are bound by a border.

A border Putin crossed to invade Ukraine.

 

[Walt]

basing my comment on the truth. the source is unimportant

The Ukrainians are fighting for Ukraine, not the USA. The Russians are fighting for Putin, not China. It is not a proxy war.

 

[danielpalos]

Without them- far fewer people would die.

Arms manufacturers are planning their new super-yachts.

Dumbass believers in NATO are feeling smug at the prospect of more gore.

NATO could also develop their humanitarian assistance corps.

 

[dukkha]

Name some of them? Just a half dozen or so names of Neo-Cons who have switched parties, and then moved up in the Democrats to positions of power will do. I cannot think of even one.

I just names a few. Max Boot is another. David Frum another. they are now neoliberals instead of neocons

Neither Nuland nor Sullivan have ever been Republicans, much less Neo-Cons. Both opposed the Neo-Cons.

you are so hung up on party registration. No they never changed parties, but they are hard core neocons Nuland was at Independence Square for the Euromaidan - if that clues you in.
Her and McCain and Robert Kagan were egging on the demonstrators to become a full riot

There has been a huge push for peace, Putin has refused. Maybe if he can be made to realize he has lost, he will be willing to take the off ramp.

no there isn't an "push" none of the NATO Nations (with the possible exception of Turkey) have made any conditions or moves towards sponsering peace talks

Democrats worked hard to build coalitions that could be peaceful in both Libya and Syria.

Democrats (Hillary/Rice/Powers)egged on Obama and demanded regime change instead of a "no fly zone" authorized by UN resolution 1973. There was no attempt whatsoever to help Libya recover

NATO just bombed the crap out of the country -including civilians in Misrata and left
Absolutely nothing else in terms of rebuilding are stabilizing the new government after Qadaffi

A border Putin crossed to invade Ukraine.

the border isnt going anywhere.
Ukraine and Russia are bound by history,and even leaving that aside are bound by geography
Do you want this war to end?
Peace talks and negotiations have to find a way to stop yet another war from breaking out