Is cancelation of student debt "fair?"

Cypress said:
I think Germany subsidizes free college.
California subsidized free college before Reagan became governor.

Public community college is still basically free in California.

I don't think it was a disaster. That was actually California's golden era.
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Doesn't China provide free college? Why shouldn't we be like them? /sarcasm :D

I fully support any state which seeks to provide better education for their citizens. I'm against making the Federal government more powerful than it already is.
 
Cypress said:
What we are seeing in gasoline is a short term fluctuation. Gasoline is notorious for spikey fluctuations.

My guess is that is you averaged out long term gas prices over the last fourty years we have experienced very little gasoline inflation in real terms.

Gasoline also isn't a big part of a college students Budget. Most live on campus, or near campus in apartment housing. I rode my bike to campus and never drove.
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You are correct, sir.

Again, the Inflation Calculator comes in handy for apples-to-apples comparisons. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/gasoline-prices-adjusted-for-inflation/

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Dutch Uncle said:
Doesn't China provide free college? Why shouldn't we be like them? /sarcasm :D

I fully support any state which seeks to provide better education for their citizens. I'm against making the Federal government more powerful than it already is.
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I understand your opinion.

The reality is the federal government has been waist deep in college education for at least 80 years. A lot of research is supported by federal government, and if we really are a union of 50 states, the opportunity and affordability of a college education should be reasonably similar for a 19 year old in any state.

I just think tuition-free or affordable college should be a Hallmark of an advanced, civilized society.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
There are many people with student debt arising from attending college. No argument on that.

Is it 'fair' or somehow 'just' that this debt be forgiven--cancelled--because the student(s) that incurred it can't easily pay it back?

The Democrats certainly think so. That is, many Democrats, particularly those on the Left, think it's fair and just that these debts be forgiven in their entirety.

As an example of this, radical Leftist, and anti-Americanist Pramila Jayapal is calling for forgiving all student debt:



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=03b5903f7852475890430fdb8646e31b

Now, I might be a bit more forgiving on this if the colleges and universities, many of which have enormous endowments, ate that loss rather than taxpayers. But the radical Leftists wanting debt forgiveness are mortified by the mere suggestion that their supporters among radical Leftist academica would have to foot the bill. Some egalitarian socialists they are...
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Finding a cost effective way to deal with student debt is a promotion of the general welfare.
 
Cypress said:
I understand your opinion.

The reality is the federal government has been waist deep in college education for at least 80 years. A lot of research is supported by federal government, and if we really are a union of 50 states, the opportunity and affordability of a college education should be reasonably similar for a 19 year old in any state.

I just think tuition-free or affordable college should be a Hallmark of an advanced, civilized society.
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I'm fine with Federal research. I'm fine with Federal efforts to support cheaper educational opportunities. What I'm against is the common idea of taking Federal tax dollars to give to overpriced colleges in the name of "progress".

Why is the idea of providing online education akin to Khan Academy such an anathema to the Democratic Party? Why is the only way the Democrats see this working is to pay Universities $50K/year for any student who wants it?
 
danielpalos said:
Finding a cost effective way to deal with student debt is a promotion of the general welfare.
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Agreed. Under the "work smarter, not harder" rule; isn't the most effective way to deal with student debt to prevent them from going into debt in the first place?

As I just posted to Cypress, "Why is the idea of providing online education akin to Khan Academy such an anathema to the Democratic Party? Why is the only way the Democrats see this working is to pay Universities $50K/year for any student who wants it?"
 
Cypress said:
Thanks, I've never really complained about gas prices, because the cost in purchasing power hasn't changed much in my adult life. Hopefully, the current spike will be fairly temporary.
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Agreed on all points and I think it will. We're need the end of one global crisis, in the middle of another one. This, too, shall pass.

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/fair.htm
It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: "And this, too, shall pass away." How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! -- how consoling in the depths of affliction! "And this, too, shall pass away." And yet let us hope it is not quite true. Let us hope, rather, that by the best cultivation of the physical world, beneath and around us; and the intellectual and moral world within us, we shall secure an individual, social, and political prosperity and happiness, whose course shall be onward and upward, and which, while the earth endures, shall not pass away. Abraham Lincoln, September 1859.
 
I think the government should start a free online University that offered a quality curriculum for free. That would allow people in rural areas and disadvantaged kids to get a good education. Can't afford to go to college? No problem computers are cheap. Live miles away from the nearest college . No problem. Have crazy work hours no problem. It can't cost that much to run a good online University.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
There are many people with student debt arising from attending college. No argument on that.

Is it 'fair' or somehow 'just' that this debt be forgiven--cancelled--because the student(s) that incurred it can't easily pay it back?

The Democrats certainly think so. That is, many Democrats, particularly those on the Left, think it's fair and just that these debts be forgiven in their entirety.

As an example of this, radical Leftist, and anti-Americanist Pramila Jayapal is calling for forgiving all student debt:



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=03b5903f7852475890430fdb8646e31b

Now, I might be a bit more forgiving on this if the colleges and universities, many of which have enormous endowments, ate that loss rather than taxpayers. But the radical Leftists wanting debt forgiveness are mortified by the mere suggestion that their supporters among radical Leftist academica would have to foot the bill. Some egalitarian socialists they are...
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fuck off is billionairs not paying taxes fair?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
There are many people with student debt arising from attending college. No argument on that.

Is it 'fair' or somehow 'just' that this debt be forgiven--cancelled--because the student(s) that incurred it can't easily pay it back?

The Democrats certainly think so. That is, many Democrats, particularly those on the Left, think it's fair and just that these debts be forgiven in their entirety.

As an example of this, radical Leftist, and anti-Americanist Pramila Jayapal is calling for forgiving all student debt:



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=03b5903f7852475890430fdb8646e31b

Now, I might be a bit more forgiving on this if the colleges and universities, many of which have enormous endowments, ate that loss rather than taxpayers. But the radical Leftists wanting debt forgiveness are mortified by the mere suggestion that their supporters among radical Leftist academica would have to foot the bill. Some egalitarian socialists they are...
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Another losing issue for dims. There’s far more people that have paid off or are making scheduled payments on student loans than those that don’t.
Once again dims want to penalize the responsible and reward the irresponsible. As usual.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Under the "work smarter, not harder" rule; isn't the most effective way to deal with student debt to prevent them from going into debt in the first place?

As I just posted to Cypress, "Why is the idea of providing online education akin to Khan Academy such an anathema to the Democratic Party? Why is the only way the Democrats see this working is to pay Universities $50K/year for any student who wants it?"
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What is your opinion of equal protection of our own at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation in our own at-will employment States?
 
Tuition forgiveness


They gouged these students


Then stop them from gouging students


Then back colleges with federal funds

So tuition is never gouging students again
 
danielpalos said:
What is your opinion of equal protection of our own at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation in our own at-will employment States?
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If I understood WTF that means, I would understand the question. Please dumb it down to a short paragraph. TIA
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I'm fine with Federal research. I'm fine with Federal efforts to support cheaper educational opportunities. What I'm against is the common idea of taking Federal tax dollars to give to overpriced colleges in the name of "progress".

Why is the idea of providing online education akin to Khan Academy such an anathema to the Democratic Party? Why is the only way the Democrats see this working is to pay Universities $50K/year for any student who wants it?
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I don't know what a Khan academy is. Frankly, I wouldn't trade my University of California degree with any web-based private school. And at least for the foreseeable future a Harvard Law Degree is just going to be considered head and shoulders above an online law degree of that nature.

I don't think the large public universities should be favored. I think students at accredited trade schools and vocational training should be considered for federal or state subsidy.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Well, definitely not, but neither is the way they entice many non-college material students to take out student loans.

Before, if you weren't college material, you were not accepted. Now they let unqualified kids in, get the money, and then the kids wash out and owe money.

But the schools and their administrations get theirs and Uncle Sam picks up the tab. It's downright grifting of the innocent and scamming of taxpayer money.

All this proposal does is pay off the predator lender's debts with taxpayer money. :nono:

Fuck that, they loaned the money, let them try to get it back from the schools or people they loaned to.
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It also goes to the sort of student that could do well in college but couldn't afford tuition and kept taking class after class, getting degree after degree. I've met a few of these over the years. One guy had a PhD in material science. He had like $100,000 in student loan debt and needed (this was in the early 90's) like a $75,000 a year salary to pay the loan and have enough left to live on. He could not get a job because his salary requirements were too high. Taking less would mean either defaulting on the loan or being homeless and paying it off.

It was his decision to get that doctorate, nobody else's. He didn't think the financing through though. Should the public be forced to pick up the tab for his mistake?

What's worse, is that forgiving all current student debt sets a bad example for the future. Future students might be tempted to risk huge loans with the expectation that another round of forgiveness will be done and they too will weasel out of their debt.
 
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