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Epicurus said:
My only beef with your above statement is calling the violations unsubstantiated. They are substantiated.

But yes I agree they do have a principled and an underhanded reason for pushing for those laws, just like Democrats have a principled and an underhanded reason for opposing them.
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Where have they been substantiated? Check this out:


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.htm


You may find rare instances of actual voter fraud, but they are exceedingly rare. Conversely, studies have shown that voter ID laws will actually disenfranchise legitimate voters. In my view, the exceedingly rare cases of voter fraud that may or may not be detected through voter ID laws are an insufficient basis for disenfranchising any legitimate voter.
 
Epicurus said:
Liberals just use racism as an excuse to be against mandatory IDs for voting. In reality, I think it has much more to do with the fact that dead people seem to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. It's really only the politicos that feel strongly about it. Your average rank-and-file Democrat probably thinks its a decent idea to prevent voter fraud. It's the politicos that spin these absurd justifications against it.
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Really? I would have to see some proof of this, sorry.
 
Does the constitution clearly state that you have to be alive to vote?
Or is that an interpretation?
 
Southern Man said:
Mailed in voter forms should be picked up at the voter registry where they can check ID there. Is there a shortage of picture ID available to "the brown people, the lower income people, and young people" that I am unaware of? :pke:
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Uh, wrong Cookie.

Absentee ballots get mailed to our houses here.

So, let me get this straight...you want two different standards, for two different subsets of americans.

Americans that vote my mail, don't have to show ID. Oddly, these people trend republican.

People who show up to the polls, have to remember to bring and show ID. These people trend more low income, young, and brown.

I've never once, not one single time, heard a repuke demand than absentee voters show ID at the time they "vote".

So, I'm on very solid ground saying that this is a scheme by republicans to make it harder to vote for people who tend not to vote republican. That is to say, its a scheme against brown people and young people.
 
I think I may for the first time vote absentee from here on out.

I don't want to show my ID to those commie Identity thieves.
And it has my picture on it. If they get that they steal my soul!
Religious persecution!
 
Cypress said:
Uh, wrong Cookie.

Absentee ballots get mailed to our houses here.

So, let me get this straight...you want two different standards, for two different subsets of americans.

Americans that vote my mail, don't have to show ID. Oddly, these people trend republican.

People who show up to the polls, have to remember to bring and show ID. These people trend more low income, young, and brown.

I've never once, not one single time, heard a repuke demand than absentee voters show ID at the time they "vote".

So, I'm on very solid ground saying that this is a scheme by republicans to make it harder to vote for people who tend not to vote republican. That is to say, its a scheme against brown people and young people.
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Mailed to your legal address is proper identification.
 
Cypress said:
So, I'm on very solid ground saying that this is a scheme by republicans to make it harder to vote for people who tend not to vote republican. That is to say, its a scheme against brown people and young people.
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lol.....I love it when liberals rate their own silly arguments...."I AM ON SOLID GROUND!".....ah well, I guess that settles it then, the jury is in, case closed, liberals score in final seconds, all that......

the only problem is, you've never presented any evidence to support your silly claim.....to say the simple step of providing evidence that you are entitled to vote is a scheme to keep liberals down is as ridiculous as....as....as.....I'm sorry, I'm having trouble thinking of anything more ridiculous.....
 
Southern Man said:
Mailed in voter forms should be picked up at the voter registry where they can check ID there. Is there a shortage of picture ID available to "the brown people, the lower income people, and young people" that I am unaware of? :pke:
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Most people use absentee ballots because they are not in their home state. Making it so the have to return to their home town to pikup an absentee ballot defeats the purpose.
 
WinterBorn said:
Most people use absentee ballots because they are not in their home state. Making it so the have to return to their home town to pikup an absentee ballot defeats the purpose.
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Good point. All States are different but I'll use NC as an example:

Any registered North Carolina voter can request an absentee ballot from his/her respective county board of elections prior to the last Tuesday before the election. A handwritten request from the voter or near relative* must include the following:

* Name of voter
* Residential Address of voter
* Mailing Address of voter (if different from residential address)
* Date of Birth of voter
* Signature of voter or near relative (indicate relationship with voter)

If the voter is qualified, an application and ballots will be mailed to the voter after the receipt of the written request. The voted ballot must be received in the County Board of Elections office by 5:00 p.m. on the day before the election in order to be counted.
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http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/content.aspx?id=16

The signed statement therefore, when checked against voter registration records, becomes proper identification.

Cypress' assertion that requiring proper ID is "a scheme against brown people and young people" is unsubstantiated and race baiting.
 
Southern Man said:
Good point. All States are different but I'll use NC as an example:

http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/content.aspx?id=16

The signed statement therefore, when checked against voter registration records, becomes proper identification.

Cypress' assertion that requiring proper ID is "a scheme against brown people and young people" is unsubstantiated and race baiting.
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I had to provide those when I voted from another state. But there was never any ID shown to anyone.
 
Southern Man said:
Good point. All States are different but I'll use NC as an example:

http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/content.aspx?id=16

The signed statement therefore, when checked against voter registration records, becomes proper identification.

Cypress' assertion that requiring proper ID is "a scheme against brown people and young people" is unsubstantiated and race baiting.
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Funny, I don't see anything requiring a picture ID. Why should people showing up tot he polling place be treated differently from people who vote absentee. If a signature is good enough for absentee, it should be good enough for voting in person.
 
TurdFerguson said:
Funny, I don't see anything requiring a picture ID. Why should people showing up tot he polling place be treated differently from people who vote absentee. If a signature is good enough for absentee, it should be good enough for voting in person.
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A good point as well, but again, they check your signature against their record signature in the voter registration database, just like a credit card transaction.
 
TurdFerguson said:
Funny, I don't see anything requiring a picture ID. Why should people showing up tot he polling place be treated differently from people who vote absentee. If a signature is good enough for absentee, it should be good enough for voting in person.
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Picture ID is not required, acceptable forms of identification to vote include a copy of a utility bill, and poll workers have no access to signatures. The poll worker that you sign in with cannot compare signatures, because they do not have the record therefore another form of identification is needed. A list with all the signatures simply isn't there for the poll worker. There is a long list of acceptable forms of identification, none of which are too onerous.

I do not like mail-in ballots, however many times somebody repeats that they "trend republican"... I don't think they should be used without an actual reason (service in the military, vote from college) you know an actual absentee. It is simply too easy to sign the documents and sell the ballot and create a whole new type of fraud. I especially don't like "mail elections" where there is no way to vote except by a mailed ballot. I picture things like a dude who dominates his wife forcing her to sign documents and voting "for" her... allowing him to always get absentee ballots just makes it easier for somebody like that to continue abuse.
 
Southern Man said:
Mailed to your legal address is proper identification.
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LOL

Man, I never thought Republicans would go ahead and fess up that voter-ID is a scheme to make it harder for brown people, young people, and lower income people to vote.

so, your contention is that absentee voters don't have to show ID when they vote, that just having their correct address on file is identification enough? Why do you advocate two different standards, for two different subgroups of americans?

why wouldn't a voter who actually goes to the polls, just have to cite their address, rather than showing photo ID?

LOL
 
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