Constructive Conversation

ib1yysguy said:
The whole idea that they never read the thing is total bullshit. The implication is that they didn't know what was in it, which is a retarded assertion. If you were a senator you would have no time for eating or sleeping if all you did was read through every sentence of every bill that came to your desk with a lawyer to translate it for you sitting next to you. They know what's in the bill. They have staffs to tell them that stuff.

You haven't read it either. Neither have most of the people who rail against it. The ones who have read it all and still rail against it are the small minority of retards who can't understand what they read, so they come on this site to tell us about how it's going ot take away our ability to buy private health care, it's going to kill old people, and it's going to kill santa clause.

Our politicians are well informed about what they're voting on. You're a fucking retard who needs to drown himself in his bathtub if you're so fucking stupid you think they have no idea what they're voting on. They do. You're the one who has no clue. You're woefully mislead and ill informed.
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wow...thats constructive conversation....

how can you call someone else mislead or ill informed if you haven't read the whole bill yourself?
 
ib1yysguy said:
Probably because you're retarded.

Democracy depends on an informed electorate. If you can't have a truthful, reasoned debate about this stuff then you can't get anywhere useful. New polls show that the public is HUGELY misinformed about what's in the house bill. They are believing the untruths being propagated by the Right, and they show up to these town hall meetings to shut them down and stop any conversation that might reveal what is actually in the stupid bill.

New strategy I suggest is to announce town halls, then don't show up to them. Let the conservatives show up to disrupt it, then lock the doors behind them and burn the place to the ground.
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Your version of informed = brainwashed.
 
ib1yysguy said:
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We are not the same people.
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I agree with this tiny section of your post here. Now, since we conservatives actually like the Constitution and want the federal government to abide by it, why don't you liberals move to Canada or Mexico, somewhere where it doesn't apply?

Oh hell, we'd let you have some States that are considered near communist anyway, and divide up the county by contiguous land mass in accordance with the last election, GOP v Democrat. Then we'll give the two separate federal governments 24 months to ratify or re-write their own constitutions, and let the People decide where they want to live, based on these new systems. We'll even agree to abide by NAFTA with y'all.

Let's end this bickering and go our separate ways. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. :pke:
 
Southern Man said:
I agree with this tiny section of your post here. Now, since we conservatives actually like the Constitution and want the federal government to abide by it, why don't you liberals move to Canada or Mexico, somewhere where it doesn't apply?

Oh hell, we'd let you have some States that are considered near communist anyway, and divide up the county by contiguous land mass in accordance with the last election, GOP v Democrat. Then we'll give the two separate federal governments 24 months to ratify or re-write their own constitutions, and let the People decide where they want to live, based on these new systems. We'll even agree to abide by NAFTA with y'all.

Let's end this bickering and go our separate ways. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. :pke:
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I don't like you position on gays, why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? They feel about gays the same way you do.

It is just so stupid to tell people to move if they don't like something others Americans do.
Do you hear yourself in my post?
 
froggie said:
I don't like you position on gays, why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? They feel about gays the same way you do.

It is just so stupid to tell people to move if they don't like something others Americans do.
Do you hear yourself in my post?
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He obviously thinks the founding fathers made a mistake when they begin with, "In order to form a more perfect union...." since the union is perfect the way it is and liberals just want to go and change it.
 
froggie said:
I don't like you position on gays, why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? They feel about gays the same way you do.

It is just so stupid to tell people to move if they don't like something others Americans do.
Do you hear yourself in my post?
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Actually, under my plan, no one gets told where to move. *shrug*
 
ib1yysguy said:
He obviously thinks the founding fathers made a mistake when they begin with, "In order to form a more perfect union...." since the union is perfect the way it is and liberals just want to go and change it.
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Make up your mind which lie you want to tell because they conflict with each other when you tell both.
 
froggie said:
I don't like you position on gays, why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? They feel about gays the same way you do.

It is just so stupid to tell people to move if they don't like something others Americans do.
Do you hear yourself in my post?
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Maybe the Saudis will agree with the idea that "Man's basic instinct is to be a hunter; a predator, to sow his seed widely and command vast territories, regardless of who may make claim to them."

And that "Woman's basic instinct is to be a gatherer, a nurturer, to consolidate her holdings and seek cooperation among her neighbors. Separated, the sexes develop disastrous societies, if they develop at all."
 
WinterBorn said:
Maybe the Saudis will agree with the idea that "Man's basic instinct is to be a hunter; a predator, to sow his seed widely and command vast territories, regardless of who may make claim to them."

And that "Woman's basic instinct is to be a gatherer, a nurturer, to consolidate her holdings and seek cooperation among her neighbors. Separated, the sexes develop disastrous societies, if they develop at all."
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What if I want to sow some eggs? Do I have to stay home and nurture?
 
froggie said:
What if I want to sow some eggs? Do I have to stay home and nurture?
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If you want to sow, be a hunter, be a predator, and command vast territories you have stolen, you would have to be a man. Women cannot do that.
 
froggie said:
Always oprahessing us!
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Its our biological imperative. We can't help ourselves. Well, except for those liberal men who have been feminized by the women's lib movement (which is responsible for all manner of social ills)
 
SmarterThanYou said:
it certainly can, you dumbfuck cretin, if your political elite would pull their head out of their collectivist asses.


and the current one failed miserably.
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Your continued assertion that legislation can be written in a few short paragraphs is, with all due respect, quite ridiculous. Obviously you've never written a bill or been involved in writing one.

Name major pieces of legislation that is written in a few short paragraphs?

It can't be done .. and for the very same reasons that IBY has stated.
 
blackascoal said:
Your continued assertion that legislation can be written in a few short paragraphs is, with all due respect, quite ridiculous. Obviously you've never written a bill or been involved in writing one.

Name major pieces of legislation that is written in a few short paragraphs?

It can't be done .. and for the very same reasons that IBY has stated.
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Of course it can be done.
 
Southern Man said:
The Constitution. *shrug*
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The Constitution IS NOT written in a few short paragraphs, written in 4,400 words, and requires a constitutional lawyer with specific expertise in constitutional law to interpret it.

Legislation on the other hand must be specific in it's meaning and purpose and cannot be subject to the requirement of a panel of legal experts to interpret its every meaning.

Try again.

Even when legislation is clearly written, morons will still come away believing in trumped up bullshit .. like death panels .. and you propose writing in fewer words, thus less clear?

America IS a stupid country.

Amazing how people who have never seen legislation moving through the process suddenly become "experts" on how it should be done.
 
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blackascoal said:
The Constitution IS NOT written in a few short paragraphs, written in 4,400 words, and requires a constitutional lawyer with specific expertise in constitutional law to interpret it.

Legislation on the other hand must be specific in it's meaning and purpose and cannot be subject to the requirement of a panel of legal experts to interpret its every meaning.

Try again.

Even when legislation is clearly written, morons will still come away believing in trumped up bullshit .. like death panels .. and you propose writing in fewer words, thus less clear?

America IS a stupid country.

Amazing how people who have never seen legislation moving through the process suddenly become "experts" on how it should be done.
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That's the problem with you liberals, you think that the Constitution requires a Constitutional scholar to interpret it. In reality it's a plain language document. *shrug*
 
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