Ivermectin Follies: The more you know.

Taichiliberal

Taichiliberal

Shaken, not stirred!
Latest Research Meant to Smear Ivermectin has More Symptoms of “Illness” Than COVID


These issues warrant an official response from the New England Journal of Medicine. How can these errors not have been picked up in a study which finished enrolling patients seven months ago? If these issues aren’t resolved, a formal letter demanding a retraction of the paper is almost certain to materialize. The problems warrant a proper investigation of the raw data used in the study.

https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/0...ectin-has-more-symptoms-of-illness-than-covid


Having survived Covid-19 by using Ivermectin, I find all this "definitive" studies that tell me it wasn't so pathetic, if not dangerous to the health and well being of the American public.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Latest Research Meant to Smear Ivermectin has More Symptoms of “Illness” Than COVID


These issues warrant an official response from the New England Journal of Medicine. How can these errors not have been picked up in a study which finished enrolling patients seven months ago? If these issues aren’t resolved, a formal letter demanding a retraction of the paper is almost certain to materialize. The problems warrant a proper investigation of the raw data used in the study.

https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/0...ectin-has-more-symptoms-of-illness-than-covid


Having survived Covid-19 by using Ivermectin, I find all this "definitive" studies that tell me it wasn't so pathetic, if not dangerous to the health and well being of the American public.
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Right wing kook site , started as a teabagger site. wackadoodles
 
The PRINCIPLE trial is assessing the efficacy of Ivermectin, it has enrolled over ten thousand candidates so far.

PRINCIPLE is a UK-wide clinical study from the University of Oxford to find COVID-19 treatments for recovery at home.
We are looking for medicines that can help people with COVID-19 symptoms get better quickly and stop them needing to go to hospital. PRINCIPLE is recruiting participants through this website and also through GP practices across the UK.
PRINCIPLE is open to all with ongoing symptoms of COVID-19, regardless of vaccination status.

https://www.principletrial.org/
 
In early 2020 when Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) appeared about to undermine the entire fraud, a research paper emerged from a group called Surgisphere. It claimed that HCQ could kill you.
Within days the scam had started to unravel , the paper was retracted, and two weeks later, Surgisphere ceased to exist.

The media went nuts reporting how bad HCQ was but never made time to write about the retraction or the mysterious disappearance of the “researchers” or any truth about HCQ. This wonder drug is still so damaged in the US by that lie that it is difficult to mention it without taking heat because of the fraud perpetrated by Surgisphere and the media.
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https://granitegrok.com/blog/2020/0...quine-could-kill-you-withering-under-scrutiny

A study published on 22 May in The Lancet used hospital records procured by a little-known data analytics company called Surgisphere to conclude that coronavirus patients taking chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine were more likely to show an irregular heart rhythm—a known side effect thought to be rare—and were more likely to die in the hospital.

Less ideologically obsessed scientists who know better started asking questions about the study in The Lancet

“Today, The Lancet issued an Expression of Concern (EOC) saying “important scientific questions have been raised about data” in the paper…”
 
Taichiliberal said:
Having survived Covid-19 by using Ivermectin, I find all this "definitive" studies that tell me it wasn't so pathetic, if not dangerous to the health and well being of the American public.
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How do you know? You could claim to have survived Covid while using Ivermectin, but it is impossible for you to know it was by using Ivermectin.

There is no logical reason that Ivermectin would help you survive Covid, unless you had worms. All reasonable evidence says that it does not help people without worms survive Covid. I am sure you feel Ivermectin helped you... But it almost certainly is not so.... Assuming you do not have worms.
 
anatta said:
It claimed that HCQ could kill you.
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Hydroxychloroquine definitely causes heart rhythm problems, and should be used in a hospital. It can kill you; that is beyond doubt. If it also did some good, it might be worth it, but there are definite dangers.

There is a logical reason Hydroxychloroquine could work. It inhibits one of the two methods of virus access to the cell. The problem is it only inhibits the extremely rare one. It does nothing to 99.999% of the virus cell infections, so would only reduce the rate of infection by less than 0.001%. That would do literally nothing.

The medical community did the right thing with both these drugs: they tested them thoroughly. We all hoped they would work, but they did not.
 
Walt said:
Hydroxychloroquine definitely causes heart rhythm problems, and should be used in a hospital. It can kill you; that is beyond doubt. If it also did some good, it might be worth it, but there are definite dangers.

There is a logical reason Hydroxychloroquine could work. It inhibits one of the two methods of virus access to the cell. The problem is it only inhibits the extremely rare one. It does nothing to 99.999% of the virus cell infections, so would only reduce the rate of infection by less than 0.001%. That would do literally nothing.

The medical community did the right thing with both these drugs: they tested them thoroughly. We all hoped they would work, but they did not.
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you dont cite your claims as usual. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean
There is a logical reason Hydroxychloroquine could work. It inhibits one of the two methods of virus access to the cell. The problem is it only inhibits the extremely rare one.
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Plaquenil® is routinely prescribed by doctors for outpatients - lupus is the label use
Cardiac risk is so minimal -absent other risk factors - it's not usually monitored in patients use

The studies were on inpatients - it's too late once the cytokine storm takes place
because of the abysmal "studies" the meme became HCQ is a cardiac risk factor
These were older people already hospitalized - much different risk factors then the general population

It's prescribed with other cohorts. Been awhile I'd have to look it up
Point being it has to be given early - studies of hospitalized patients are bogus
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We aimed to explore the role of hydroxychloroquine therapy in mildly symptomatic patients diagnosed in the outpatient setting.
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-021-05773-w
Conclusions

In this retrospective observational study of SARS-CoV-2 infected non-hospitalized patients hydroxychloroquine exposure was associated with a decreased rate of subsequent hospitalization. Additional exploration of hydroxychloroquine in this mildly symptomatic outpatient population is warranted.
 
so many people died because of the crappy studies, and pharmacies refusing to fill HCQ

Guess who stringently opposite HCQ? - Face Time Fauci
 
anatta said:
In early 2020 when Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) appeared about to undermine the entire fraud, a research paper emerged from a group called Surgisphere. It claimed that HCQ could kill you.
Within days the scam had started to unravel , the paper was retracted, and two weeks later, Surgisphere ceased to exist.

The media went nuts reporting how bad HCQ was but never made time to write about the retraction or the mysterious disappearance of the “researchers” or any truth about HCQ. This wonder drug is still so damaged in the US by that lie that it is difficult to mention it without taking heat because of the fraud perpetrated by Surgisphere and the media.
~~~
https://granitegrok.com/blog/2020/0...quine-could-kill-you-withering-under-scrutiny

A study published on 22 May in The Lancet used hospital records procured by a little-known data analytics company called Surgisphere to conclude that coronavirus patients taking chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine were more likely to show an irregular heart rhythm—a known side effect thought to be rare—and were more likely to die in the hospital.

Less ideologically obsessed scientists who know better started asking questions about the study in The Lancet

“Today, The Lancet issued an Expression of Concern (EOC) saying “important scientific questions have been raised about data” in the paper…”
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Yea because someone who works as a infomercial telephone operator knows :laugh:
 
guno said:
Yea because someone who works as a infomercial telephone operator knows :laugh:
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it's called the internet. You dont have to be a genius,you just have to get off your lazy mind and use it
Nothing I say hasn't already been said - I just organized it and shoved it up those corrupt medical bureaucrats
A mental exercise for me,but demonizing and using deliberate misleading studies was life and death for others

Oh I sit at home and talk on the phone for decent commissions - use the gig economy to your advantage
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Our leaders are infants who refuse to learn.

We are going to get sooooo hurt.
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I would agree that the alt right leaders are infants who refuse to learn, because the alt right are infants who refuse to learn. But the rest of the leaders and experts are actually very good at learning. We have lived in a world where they must constantly learn new things, paradigm shifts happen every couple of years.
 
Walt said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Having survived Covid-19 by using Ivermectin, I find all this "definitive" studies that tell me it wasn't so pathetic, if not dangerous to the health and well being of the American public.
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How do you know? You could claim to have survived Covid while using Ivermectin, but it is impossible for you to know it was by using Ivermectin.

There is no logical reason that Ivermectin would help you survive Covid, unless you had worms. All reasonable evidence says that it does not help people without worms survive Covid. I am sure you feel Ivermectin helped you... But it almost certainly is not so.... Assuming you do not have worms.
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As to your first sentence......when initially treated with remdesivir and baricitinib (3 doses in 3 days only, as the new info reported risks of kidney damage from remdesivir with longerdosage), my situation was stable but with little to no improvement. Later, I was secreted the ivermectin per a family friend who had a prescription from his personal doctor. I took that for 5 days, and the IMPROVEMENT was steady and noticeable. The doctors were pleasantly surprised, and I was off the oxygen with less than a week after the ivermectin, as opposed to the "stable" situation after the standard treatment. Hell of a coincidence.

I was hospitalized for a month, lost about 40 pounds and a lot of my muscle tone....but I'm on the mend and doing relatively well so far.

So your opinion, supposition and conjecture mean NOTHING in lieu of actual personal experience. I'm not the only one....people around the country report the similar situations, as well as board certified GP's, medical researchers and nurses. They just don't get the MSM treatment, but they do post on various net formats....some even make local news. Now it comes down to your denying what I say because you don't like it. I could care less....being alive and personal experience kind of makes your parroting just feint background noise. Carry on.
 
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