The tragedy of Zelensky

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https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/the-tragedy-of-zelensky/

This article helps explain why the political situation collapsed into a war.

Putin is no doubt a war criminal but Zelenskyy is no angel himself.
He should have realized he was playing with fire, lighting a match next to a powder keg.

I kinda , sort of figured we weren't getting the whole story but the article sheds a lot of light on why this tragedy has occurred.

I'd say Putin is the "badder" guy for what he's doing to the whole of Ukraine. No reason for it.
 
anonymoose said:
https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/the-tragedy-of-zelensky/

This article helps explain why the political situation collapsed into a war.

Putin is no doubt a war criminal but Zelenskyy is no angel himself.
He should have realized he was playing with fire, lighting a match next to a powder keg.

I kinda , sort of figured we weren't getting the whole story but the article sheds a lot of light on why this tragedy has occurred.

I'd say Putin is the "badder" guy for what he's doing to the whole of Ukraine. No reason for it.
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Yeah that's a pretty good reason for murdering pregnant women, babies and children.
 
anonymoose said:
Did I say it was?
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That article sure sounds like they were implying it. So what if Zelensky is "corrupt"? It's not a good reason to point fingers at others and saying, "see they're doing the same thing?" Putin is a war criminal and a mass murderer. That is all that matters.
 
AproudLefty
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Yeah that's a pretty good reason for murdering pregnant women, babies and children.
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Where are your posts condemning the slaughter of pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass for the past eight years ?
Where are your posts condemning the Israeli massacres in Gaza for the past 70 years ?
 
A speech before the Israeli Knesset landed him in hot water when he repeatedly invoked comparisons between Ukraine’s war with Russia and Holocaust. Said an Israeli government spokesman, “The Ukraine war is awful, but the comparison to the atrocities of the Holocaust and the final solution is an outrage.”

Meanwhile, this erstwhile champion of democratic values has turned increasingly authoritarian at home, suspending 11 opposition parties from the Rada, including the “Opposition Platform – For Life,” which holds 43 seats in parliament.

But is this anti-democratic behavior really all that surprising, given his well-documented ties to the Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky?

Zelensky’s tenure has amounted to one big missed opportunity, and this will become especially clear if he signs a treaty along the lines offered by the Russians before the invasion. Future historians may ask: Was the chance to join NATO someday worth all this bloodshed?

In the end, Zelensky seemed to believe that he could ignore, even provoke, the Russians because his amen corner in the US would ride to the rescue.

What a tragic miscalculation.
 
moon said:
AproudLefty


Where are your posts condemning the slaughter of pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass for the past eight years ?
Where are your posts condemning the Israeli massacres in Gaza for the past 70 years ?
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Been here for 2 years. :dunno:
 
dukkha said:
A speech before the Israeli Knesset landed him in hot water when he repeatedly invoked comparisons between Ukraine’s war with Russia and Holocaust. Said an Israeli government spokesman, “The Ukraine war is awful, but the comparison to the atrocities of the Holocaust and the final solution is an outrage.”

Meanwhile, this erstwhile champion of democratic values has turned increasingly authoritarian at home, suspending 11 opposition parties from the Rada, including the “Opposition Platform – For Life,” which holds 43 seats in parliament.

But is this anti-democratic behavior really all that surprising, given his well-documented ties to the Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky?

Zelensky’s tenure has amounted to one big missed opportunity, and this will become especially clear if he signs a treaty along the lines offered by the Russians before the invasion. Future historians may ask: Was the chance to join NATO someday worth all this bloodshed?

In the end, Zelensky seemed to believe that he could ignore, even provoke, the Russians because his amen corner in the US would ride to the rescue.

What a tragic miscalculation.
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Blaming Zelensky for what is going on is almost beyond comprehension.

And yeah - that's exactly what you're doing.
 
BartenderElite said:
Blaming Zelensky for what is going on is almost beyond comprehension.

And yeah - that's exactly what you're doing.
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fuck off.
If you cant see the PREDICATE for this war is not the same as the INVASION -
you are even more stupid then I thought

Here's your ideas "Putin is bad" that's it. you should just post that over and over :palm:

No mention of NATO expansion, none of uberr-militarizing NATO, subverting political opposition
and the article lays out more. if you had a brain you'd clik the hotlinks @ article
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he took Western promises of financial and military support, such those enshrined in the November 2021 US-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership, at face value.

That was his first mistake.

His second was to follow the lead of the US and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by refusing to take seriously the terms of the draft treaty issued by Russia in mid-December.

His third and perhaps fatal mistake, made shortly after the US rejected the terms of the Russian démarche, was to travel to the Munich Security Conference, where in a fiery, defiant address before the trans-Atlantic security establishment, Zelensky committed political malpractice on a grand scale.
 
BartenderElite said:
I mean, what is going on w/ the attempts at moral equivalency conservatives are making between Putin and Zelensky?
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I don't think they are.
Ukraine was a country in a very tempestuous situation since the collapse of the soviet union and got more so as time went on.
Z. and the West miscalculated badly. The signs of Russian insecurity , inferiority complex and brutality were obvious since the Chechnya war, then the one in Georgia.
Too late now. Ukraine is fucked for the foreseeable future. Hope it works out for them.
On the bright side, we could use some good refugees to fill the worker vacancies. Of course I doubt The Revolution will allow it. They'd vote overwhelmingly republican .
Maybe we can get them across the open Mexican border where it's easier. No paper work or bureaucracy to deal with.
 
anonymoose said:
https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/the-tragedy-of-zelensky/

This article helps explain why the political situation collapsed into a war.

Putin is no doubt a war criminal but Zelenskyy is no angel himself.
He should have realized he was playing with fire, lighting a match next to a powder keg.

I kinda , sort of figured we weren't getting the whole story but the article sheds a lot of light on why this tragedy has occurred.

I'd say Putin is the "badder" guy for what he's doing to the whole of Ukraine. No reason for it.
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Putin: We want to annex Ukraine

Zelensky: No

anonymoose: These are equally bad.
 
anonymoose said:
https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/the-tragedy-of-zelensky/

This article helps explain why the political situation collapsed into a war.

Putin is no doubt a war criminal but Zelenskyy is no angel himself.
He should have realized he was playing with fire, lighting a match next to a powder keg.

I kinda , sort of figured we weren't getting the whole story but the article sheds a lot of light on why this tragedy has occurred.

I'd say Putin is the "badder" guy for what he's doing to the whole of Ukraine. No reason for it.
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This is why I am torn about taking a side in this. :thumbsup:
 
dukkha said:
If you cant see the PREDICATE for this war is not the same as the INVASION -
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Three weeks ago, Anatta was justifying the invasion by lying about Nazis being in Ukraine.

Two weeks ago, Anatta was justifying the invasion by lying about biolabs.

Now, Anatta is justifying the invasion using pre-invasion Russian talking points about NATO.

Anatta is a Russian asset.
 
BartenderElite said:
I mean, what is going on w/ the attempts at moral equivalency conservatives are making between Putin and Zelensky?
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No one has done that you lie filled mental case. Perhaps if you could extract your head from you asshole you could get some much needed oxygen to that microscopic brain of yours?

:palm:
 
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