Russia destroys aircraft repair plant in Lyiv.

[moon]

Ukraine war: Russia destroys aircraft repair plant near western city of Lviv

Russian missiles have hit an aircraft repair plant near Lviv in western Ukraine, a city that has become a safe haven for people fleeing the war.

Emergency vehicles raced to the site of the strike, just 6km (four miles) from the city centre, after three loud explosions were heard early on Friday.

No-one was injured in the attack.

It is the closest the conflict has come to Lviv, a key humanitarian supply route and a hub for hundreds of thousands of people who have fled.

Western Ukraine has so far been quieter than the rest of the country. Russia launched its invasion on three fronts - from the north, east and south - leaving cities such as Lviv relatively unscathed.

But there are signs that may be changing, after Friday's strike and a deadly missile attack on a military training base outside the city on Sunday.

"There have been air raid alarms here every morning, but now the strikes are actually landing," Valentin Vovchenko, 82, told the AFP news agency from Lviv. "We fled Kyiv because of the attacks but now they've started to hit here."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60791471

We have to bear in mind that Ukraine is not an existential threat to the US- but it sure as hell is to the Russians. NATO knew that but continued to press.

Now NATO could save the city of Lyiv by telling Zelensky that he should quit the struggle now and live to fight the political struggle another day. Failure to do so would be another confirmation of NATO's inherent aggression.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Russia destroys aircraft repair plant in Lviv.

Break out the champagne, moon! Unless it's one of those western delicacies that Vlad frowns on.

Speaking of which, he seems to be picking a fight with his oligarchs (scum traitors and gender benders ...?) Why do you think he's doing that?

Oh yes, and everything is going according to plan.

 

[moon]

Now NATO could save the city of Lyiv by telling Zelensky that he should quit the struggle now and live to fight the political struggle another day. Failure to do so would be another confirmation of NATO's inherent aggression.

For the slower ships.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

NATO could save the city of Lyiv by telling Zelensky that he should quit the struggle now

Lyiv can't be saved, moon, there's no such place. Now if you'd called it Lemberg - as it was in Habsburg times - everyone would know where you meant.

But to address your main point: your suggestion is that, having been invaded, Ukraine should give in, otherwise it shows inherent aggression. Well, that's one way of looking at it.


But why is Vlad picking a fight with his oligarchs?

 

[Nordberg]

We have to bear in mind that Ukraine is not an existential threat to the US- but it sure as hell is to the Russians. NATO knew that but continued to press.

Now NATO could save the city of Lyiv by telling Zelensky that he should quit the struggle now and live to fight the political struggle another day. Failure to do so would be another confirmation of NATO's inherent aggression.

We have to remember that Ukraine was no threat to Russia in war. They did not attack Russia. We know who the threat is and they are still bombing cities and people who did not attack them and were not going to. The threat was capitalism and freedoms that Russian leaders do not want in Moscow. Threat by example is not justification for war.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

We have to bear in mind that Ukraine is not an existential threat to the US- but it sure as hell is to the Russians. NATO knew that but continued to press.

Now NATO could save the city of Lyiv by telling Zelensky that he should quit the struggle now and live to fight the political struggle another day. Failure to do so would be another confirmation of NATO's inherent aggression.

fuck you. how in the hell is ukraine a threat to russia, you stupid piece of putin loving shit?

 

[moon]

fuck you. how in the hell is ukraine a threat to russia, you stupid piece of putin loving shit?

Somebody put that demented dumbass out of its misery.

 

[Jack]

We have to bear in mind that Ukraine is not an existential threat to the US- but it sure as hell is to the Russians. NATO knew that but continued to press.

Now NATO could save the city of Lyiv by telling Zelensky that he should quit the struggle now and live to fight the political struggle another day. Failure to do so would be another confirmation of NATO's inherent aggression.

Hmmmm ... this tells me MiG Jets are being sent to Ukraine in boxes. AND ... that Putin is aware of this.

 

[moon]

Hmmmm ... this tells me MiG Jets are being sent to Ukraine in boxes. AND ... that Putin is aware of this.

Such incredible insight.

 

[Jack]

Such incredible insight.

Yeah. I'm not sure you can assemble these things out in the middle of a corn field.

 

[Walt]

Now NATO could save the city of Lyiv by telling Zelensky that he should quit the struggle now and live to fight the political struggle another day. Failure to do so would be another confirmation of NATO's inherent aggression.

Lviv is very much to the west of Ukraine. It is the retreat capital when (or now if) Kyiv falls. Surrendering Lviv is surrendering the entire country. This is not a "political struggle" it is a war for survival. The Ukrainians will fight to survive. That is not NATO "aggression", but a desire by the Ukrainians to survive.

 

[moon]

Lviv is very much to the west of Ukraine. It is the retreat capital when (or now if) Kyiv falls. Surrendering Lviv is surrendering the entire country. This is not a "political struggle" it is a war for survival. The Ukrainians will fight to survive. That is not NATO "aggression", but a desire by the Ukrainians to survive.

The Russians aren't going to murder Ukrainians that surrender their towns before they get flattened. It's a political struggle. The Russians want a purge of Ukrainian Neo-Nazis and a disarmed Ukraine- according to everything Putin says before it's censored in the West so that we can't read it.

 

[Walt]

The Russians aren't going to murder Ukrainians that surrender their towns before they get flattened. It's a political struggle. The Russians want a purge of Ukrainian Neo-Nazis and a disarmed Ukraine- according to everything Putin says before it's censored in the West so that we can't read it.

There were people who claimed the Russians would never kill Poles who surrendered to them, or Germans who surrendered to them, or Afghans who surrendered to them, or Georgians who surrendered to them, or Ukrainians who surrendered to them... Wait, they have already betrayed the Ukrainians a couple of times for surrendering to them. Every 5 to 40 years, the Russians promise the Ukrainians that this time will be different... It has not been different yet.

But all the Russians want to do is kill the Neo-Nazi Ukrainians, with them deciding anyone they want to kill is a Neo-Nazi... Yes, that makes everyone feel better.

Lviv will be the absolute last major city that the Russians invade. It is the furthest point from Russia, Belarus, and the Black Sea. Surrendering it first would be insane. The Ukrainians are not going to surrender it, unless they have to make a final retreat of the government out of the country. Even then, the Ukrainian people will continue to fight.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

The Russians want a purge of Ukrainian Neo-Nazis and a disarmed Ukraine- according to everything Putin says before it's censored in the West so that we can't read it.

That's strange, I read both of those things in "the West" - denazification and demilitarization. That must have been before it was censored, eh?

There's a small problem. There are no neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian govt. How can they be purged when there are none there? In the entire Ukrainian parliament there is one member who might be called (at a stretch) neo-Nazi.

I think what Putin means, BUT DOESN'T SAY, is that he wants to dictate the composition of the Ukrainian govt. Then he will stop flattening their cities. Is that a good deal, do you think?

 

[moon]

There were people who claimed the Russians would never kill Poles who surrendered to them, or Germans who surrendered to them, or Afghans who surrendered to them, or Georgians who surrendered to them, or Ukrainians who surrendered to them... Wait, they have already betrayed the Ukrainians a couple of times for surrendering to them. Every 5 to 40 years, the Russians promise the Ukrainians that this time will be different... It has not been different yet.

But all the Russians want to do is kill the Neo-Nazi Ukrainians, with them deciding anyone they want to kill is a Neo-Nazi... Yes, that makes everyone feel better.

Lviv will be the absolute last major city that the Russians invade. It is the furthest point from Russia, Belarus, and the Black Sea. Surrendering it first would be insane. The Ukrainians are not going to surrender it, unless they have to make a final retreat of the government out of the country. Even then, the Ukrainian people will continue to fight.

You're very generous with other people's blood.

 

[moon]

That's strange, I read both of those things in "the West" - denazification and demilitarization. That must have been before it was censored, eh?

There's a small problem. There are no neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian govt. How can they be purged when there are none there?

There you go, you've censored them away already.


Haw, haw..................................haw.

 

[Walt]

You're very generous with other people's blood.

I do not get to decide what the Ukrainians do. You want the Ukrainians to surrender, and have the Russians decide which ones to kill. I am leaving that decision up to the Ukrainians.

 

[moon]

I do not get to decide what the Ukrainians do. You want the Ukrainians to surrender, and have the Russians decide which ones to kill. I am leaving that decision up to the Ukrainians.

They'll be alive when they surrender, won't they- which they won't be if they don't.
Further , the cities will remain intact. Only distant sadists want to see the last salute of Zelensky as he falls on a mountain of rubble- loyal to NATO's dumbass ' principle ' to the death.

 

[Walt]

They'll be alive when they surrender, won't they- which they won't be if they don't.

Even if the Russians were perfect, the Ukrainians could still run, and survive... Assuming they do not surrender Lviv. Lviv is their evacuation city, where they can flee the Ukraine and survive.

But we all can see the Russians are far from perfect. While war is dangerous, they are being fought to a standstill by Ukrainians who are surviving.

Further , the cities will remain intact.

Warsaw was surrendered, and remained intact... Until the Germans destroyed every element of it. Have you ever been to Warsaw, there is literally nothing pre-WWII left.

Or a closer reference to the Ukrainians, Kyiv was surrendered, and remained intact... Until the Russians leveled it as revenge for surrendering and remaining intact. Again, there is very little pre-WWII that survives.

Given that one of the goals is population replacement, is it really in the Ukrainian interest to preserve buildings that will be handed over to Russians to live in?

Only distant sadists want to see the last salute of Zelensky as he falls on a mountain of rubble- loyal to NATO's dumbass ' principle ' to the death.

Zelenskyy is in Kyiv, which is getting hit much harder than Lviv. If Kyiv falls, he will retreat to Lviv. Saying he is distant is just silly.

Ukrainians are fighting for their survival, not for NATO's survival.

 

[cancel2 2022]

They'll be alive when they surrender, won't they- which they won't be if they don't.
Further , the cities will remain intact. Only distant sadists want to see the last salute of Zelensky as he falls on a mountain of rubble- loyal to NATO's dumbass ' principle ' to the death.

Not your decision to make, shit for brains.