Mt. Evans to be renamed, name selected Mt. Blue Sky....

Damocles

Damocles

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https://www.durangoherald.com/articles/county-officials-ok-new-name-for-colorados-mount-evans/

DENVER (AP) - One of Colorado's most popular mountains is a step closer to being renamed in honor of the state's indigenous people.

Clear Creek County commissioners voted Tuesday to recommend changing Mount Evans to Mount Blue Sky at the request of the Cheyenne and Arapaho tribes. The Arapaho were known as the Blue Sky People, and the Cheyenne hold an annual renewal of life ceremony called Blue Sky.

The recommendation will be considered by a state naming board and Gov. Jared Polis before a final decision from the U.S. Board on Geographic Names.

The 14,264-foot (4,348-meter) peak southwest of Denver is named after John Evans, Colorado's second territorial governor. Evans resigned after an 1864 U.S. cavalry massacre of more than 200 Arapaho and Cheyenne people, most of them women, children and the elderly, at Sand Creek in what is now southeastern Colorado.

"I don't think that this community and I don't think that that mountain deserves this negative connotation associated with this name,” Clear Creek County Commissioner George Marlin told KDVR-TV in Denver.

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The Sand Creek Massacre happened pretty much where my house is... This is a good step, IMHO.
 
Damocles said:
https://www.durangoherald.com/articles/county-officials-ok-new-name-for-colorados-mount-evans/

DENVER (AP) - One of Colorado's most popular mountains is a step closer to being renamed in honor of the state's indigenous people.

Clear Creek County commissioners voted Tuesday to recommend changing Mount Evans to Mount Blue Sky at the request of the Cheyenne and Arapaho tribes. The Arapaho were known as the Blue Sky People, and the Cheyenne hold an annual renewal of life ceremony called Blue Sky.

The recommendation will be considered by a state naming board and Gov. Jared Polis before a final decision from the U.S. Board on Geographic Names.

The 14,264-foot (4,348-meter) peak southwest of Denver is named after John Evans, Colorado's second territorial governor. Evans resigned after an 1864 U.S. cavalry massacre of more than 200 Arapaho and Cheyenne people, most of them women, children and the elderly, at Sand Creek in what is now southeastern Colorado.

"I don't think that this community and I don't think that that mountain deserves this negative connotation associated with this name,” Clear Creek County Commissioner George Marlin told KDVR-TV in Denver.

more at link...


The Sand Creek Massacre happened pretty much where my house is... This is a good step, IMHO.
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I always thought it odd that a "Christian" civilization supports massacring women and children. That's one reason why I know the white supremacist militias are terrorists, not freedom fighters. Calling Sand Creek a "battle ground" is like renaming Stoneman Douglas High School (Parkland) a "battleground" or the Orlando Pulse club a "battleground".

https://www.nps.gov/sand/learn/historyculture/index.htm
At dawn on November 29, 1864, approximately 675 U.S. volunteer soldiers commanded by Colonel John M. Chivington attacked a village of about 750 Cheyenne and Arapaho Indians along Sand Creek in southeastern Colorado Territory. Using small arms and howitzer fire, the troops drove the people out of their camp. While many managed to escape the initial onslaught, others, particularly noncombatant women, children, and the elderly fled into and up the bottom of the dry stream bed. The soldiers followed, shooting at them as they struggled through the sandy earth.
 
The Sand Creek Massacre was caused by a fat lie too. A family of settlers was killed and their house burned while the husband was away, when he got back he reported it was "Indians" that killed his family. This ignored animosities between this "gentleman" and his neighbor that was a far more likely cause of the murders.

The settlers in the area believed that the Indians were angry because they were lied to about supplies they were promised.

They sent Chivington in to "bring them to justice" and instead he just killed a bunch of kids and their mothers. He got a frikin' award for it, then Evans was forced to retire after even the Federal Government thought that what happened was an atrocity, not a battle. I mean, the Federal Government of 1865 was not one that was terribly friendly to American Indians.
 
Damocles said:
https://www.durangoherald.com/articles/county-officials-ok-new-name-for-colorados-mount-evans/

DENVER (AP) - One of Colorado's most popular mountains is a step closer to being renamed in honor of the state's indigenous people.

Clear Creek County commissioners voted Tuesday to recommend changing Mount Evans to Mount Blue Sky at the request of the Cheyenne and Arapaho tribes. The Arapaho were known as the Blue Sky People, and the Cheyenne hold an annual renewal of life ceremony called Blue Sky.

The recommendation will be considered by a state naming board and Gov. Jared Polis before a final decision from the U.S. Board on Geographic Names.

The 14,264-foot (4,348-meter) peak southwest of Denver is named after John Evans, Colorado's second territorial governor. Evans resigned after an 1864 U.S. cavalry massacre of more than 200 Arapaho and Cheyenne people, most of them women, children and the elderly, at Sand Creek in what is now southeastern Colorado.

"I don't think that this community and I don't think that that mountain deserves this negative connotation associated with this name,” Clear Creek County Commissioner George Marlin told KDVR-TV in Denver.

more at link...


The Sand Creek Massacre happened pretty much where my house is... This is a good step, IMHO.
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Wow. You live almost on top of history. The massacre site wasn't preserved as a reminder or monument, then?

I like the switch from Euro explorer names to the originals (as far as can be determined, anyways). Wish they were rename one of the rivers here from "Dead River," which sounds horrid, to its original name: Jiibay-ziibing (Spirit River).
 
Damocles said:
The Sand Creek Massacre was caused by a fat lie too. A family of settlers was killed and their house burned while the husband was away, when he got back he reported it was "Indians" that killed his family. This ignored animosities between this "gentleman" and his neighbor that was a far more likely cause of the murders.

The settlers in the area believed that the Indians were angry because they were lied to about supplies they were promised.

They sent Chivington in to "bring them to justice" and instead he just killed a bunch of kids and their mothers. He got a frikin' award for it, then Evans was forced to retire after even the Federal Government thought that what happened was an atrocity, not a battle. I mean, the Federal Government of 1865 was not one that was terribly friendly to American Indians.
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Agreed the US government in those days was pretty loose about what constituted a "battle". Clearly they didn't want to call it what it was, a mass murder of innocent women and children.

OTOH, the name plate still calls it a "battle ground" over 150 years later even though the history books are more honest about what it was.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
Wow. You live almost on top of history. The massacre site wasn't preserved as a reminder or monument, then?

I like the switch from Euro explorer names to the originals (as far as can be determined, anyways). Wish they were rename one of the rivers here from "Dead River," which sounds horrid, to its original name: Jiibay-ziibing (Spirit River).
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There's a monument nearby. LOL.
 
Compared to the Sand Creek Battle Ground where 163 Indians were killed, half of them women and children, the Texas Salt Creek Massacre involved 7 wagon teamsters being killed by 150 Kiowa.


https://www.mansfieldtexas.gov/1370/The-Salt-Creek-Massacre
Salt Creek Massacre is also known as the Warren Wagon Train Massacre.

On May 18, 1871, an Indian raid took place nine miles from Graham, Texas on a lonely stretch in the Loving Valley and the Salt Creek Prairie. On this stormy afternoon, 150 Kiowa Indians waited behind a hill, near the point where the Butterfield Overland Stage crossed the North Branch of Flint Creek, for a wagon train carrying supplies to the nearby fort. Initially, the Salt Creek Massacre was just another successful raid carried out by the Indians against the white intruders who had invaded their territory. For the white settlers it was the final straw. They had endured enough from the Indians.

The Salt Creek Massacre, or the Warren Wagon Train Massacre as it is often called, brought to a close the way of life that the Indians had known for generations. Though many factors played a role in the demise of the Plains Indians, no one single event brought about their downfall as did the Salt Creek Massacre.
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Yeah, even now they seem fast and loose with what is a massacre and a battle. Kind of sickening....
 
Damocles said:
Yeah, even now they seem fast and loose with what is a massacre and a battle. Kind of sickening....
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Yep. I've seen the Little Big Horn battle referred to as a "massacre" in some books. If they're 1) the aggressors, and 2) shooting back and still lose, that's a rout, or a battle, or a defeat. It's not a massacre.
 
Damocles said:
Yeah, even now they seem fast and loose with what is a massacre and a battle. Kind of sickening....
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Oddly, none of the self-righteous "supporters" of "Indian, I mean Native American, I mean indigenous victims" have offered their own homes as reparations to the terrorized tribes whose displacement they shed such copious crocodile tears over online, AFAIK.

Perhaps you noticed.
 
Pus-filled Lesion said:
Oddly, none of the self-righteous "supporters" of "Indian, I mean Native American, I mean indigenous victims" have offered their own homes as reparations to the terrorized tribes whose displacement they shed such copious crocodile tears over online, AFAIK.

Perhaps you noticed.
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Damo said his house is almost on the site. Should he turn it over to the descendants so you won't think of him as a hypocrite? lol

Trolling trolling trolling, Lesion keeps on trolling! :rofl2:
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Damo said his house is almost on the site. Should he turn it over to the descendants so you won't think of him as a hypocrite? lol

Trolling trolling trolling, Lesion keeps on trolling! :rofl2:
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It's possible that it was the tribe my Native Ancestry comes from. I'm a lost soul. I don't know what tribe my dna relatives belonged to, only that about half my DNA is Native American from the four corners region.
 
ThatFowlWoman said:
Yep. I've seen the Little Big Horn battle referred to as a "massacre" in some books. If they're 1) the aggressors, and 2) shooting back and still lose, that's a rout, or a battle, or a defeat. It's not a massacre.
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Did these "books" you "saw" have lots of pictures in them?

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Damocles said:
It's possible that it was the tribe my Native Ancestry comes from. I'm a lost soul. I don't know what tribe my dna relatives belonged to, only that about half my DNA is Native American from the four corners region.
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It's pretty hard for NA ancestry ppl to find out their history and relations since there were so few written records kept. Have you ever done any genealogy research? Chances are one or more of your ancestors was sent to a residential boarding school, either voluntarily or coerced. Those schools kept good records of names and dates of birth and tribal affiliation. A lot of NA folks have been able to trace their tribal heritage back through those records.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It's pretty hard for NA ancestry ppl to find out their history and relations since there were so few written records kept. Have you ever done any genealogy research? Chances are one or more of your ancestors was sent to a residential boarding school, either voluntarily or coerced. Those schools kept good records of names and dates of birth and tribal affiliation. A lot of NA folks have been able to trace their tribal heritage back through those records.
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My father was adopted. So, no genealogy records.
 
Damocles, you better watch out, you wouldn't want anyone to accidentally think CRITICALly about RACE relations in the history of this nation.
 
Mr.Badguy said:
Damocles, you better watch out, you wouldn't want anyone to accidentally think CRITICALly about RACE relations in the history of this nation.
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Indigenous lives matter, eh?

What are you doing to atone for the sins of the white man, paleface?
 
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