ExpressLane
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I wonder if flow batteries might be useful.
No Amount Of Incremental Wind And Solar Power Can Ever Provide Energy Independence
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'No nukes' ring any bells?
Remind me, what happened when a offshore wind farm was proposed near Hyannis Port?
Wind Farm? Not Off My Back Porch
March 30, 2007 — -- A major battle in the politics of alternative energy has moved to a final phase in Washington, and a senator named Kennedy with a waterfront view and a bone to pick awaits.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2995334&page=1
And more recently....
Group to file lawsuit Wednesday against wind farm planned for waters off Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket
https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/08/24/group-to-file-lawsuit-wednesday-against-wind-farm-planned-for-waters-off-marthas-vineyard/
Who said that, old pal?
Yet the left wants to go green now.
No, it's not.
What the left is saying is like 'someday everyone will have a palm-sized computing device that can access data on an invisible wireless information superhighway, so let's get ready by ditching calculators, slide rules, and books now'.
I wish they would.
The fact that they won't tells you all you need to know about their sincerity.
Is that so? Who told you that?
How do you propose to transmit electricity from outer space to the earth's electrical grid?
That must be why the ultra-leftist Dick Nixon created the EPA.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Not totally true. Nixon created both OSHA and the EPA at a time when they were sorely needed. With OSHA, unions and employers alike really weren't taking worker safety seriously. Yea, all you union lovers, your union didn't give a shit about your safety. Anyway, there were over 100,000 serious injuries on the job in the US every year. Tens of thousands of people died in work related accidents.
The EPA was needed at a time when there were rivers catching fire, huge chemical dumps accumulating, and air pollution was like China's today.
What happened over time is these agencies saw a combination of bureaucrats and Leftists move in. The result of that was they've gotten a "zero tolerance" mentality now. That is, they think that unless something is 100% safe or pollution is at zero, they haven't done enough. Today they're exponentially driving up the cost of everything they regulate for near zero improvements on the stuff regulated.
So, good ideas with good intentions turned into evil ideas with destruction as their goal.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Here's the latest insanity in solar power. Because solar is unreliable and battery storage grotesquely expensive, alternate solutions have been sought.
That's one of the latest insanities. It's a six-armed tower crane that lifts heavy concrete weights to height when there's excess solar power being made and then can release those weights to generate electrical power when solar isn't producing. Of course, one crane provides only a short-term miniscule amount of power using this method for relatively high cost, but what the hey? When you are committed to using the worst and most costly way to reliably generate electricity, you have to go to extremes to try and make it work, don't you?
That's one of the latest insanities. It's a six-armed tower crane that lifts heavy concrete weights to height when there's excess solar power being made and then can release those weights to generate electrical power when solar isn't producing. Of course, one crane provides only a short-term miniscule amount of power using this method for relatively high cost, but what the hey? When you are committed to using the worst and most costly way to reliably generate electricity, you have to go to extremes to try and make it work, don't you?
It is the premise of the OP.'No nukes' ring any bells?
Remind me, what happened when a offshore wind farm was proposed near Hyannis Port?
Wind Farm? Not Off My Back Porch
March 30, 2007 — -- A major battle in the politics of alternative energy has moved to a final phase in Washington, and a senator named Kennedy with a waterfront view and a bone to pick awaits.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2995334&page=1
And more recently....
Group to file lawsuit Wednesday against wind farm planned for waters off Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket
https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/08/24/group-to-file-lawsuit-wednesday-against-wind-farm-planned-for-waters-off-marthas-vineyard/
Who said that, old pal?
Ask Tom about modern safe nukes.
No, it's not, and I'm asking Y O U.
Yes it is and get back to me after you understand baseload generation.
I disagree, and you didn't answer my questions, my old friend.
Actually, both are recyclable:
https://electrek.co/2021/05/17/wind-giant-vestas-says-it-can-now-fully-recycle-turbine-blades/
https://thecabinetrefinishing.com/is-lithium-battery-recyclable/
And the point of the batteries is to store excess energy from wind/sun/tidal/etc. sources.
I said nothing about whether it is doable now or 'suffering'.
I simply said we should take advantage of it as much as possible.
And I think - eventually - oil/gas/coal fired power plants will be a thing of the past.
cancel2 2022
Canceled
For a good example of exactly that, check out Young v EPA.
https://junkscience.com/2021/10/preliminary-injunction-sought-in-young-v-epa/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10...r-illegally-stacking-science-advisory-panels/
Agreed.
It is the height of stupidity/intellectual insecurity when people stomp their feet and say: 'this technology can NEVER, EVER work. EVER!!!'
They are clearly clueless and hoping that if they scream it loud enough - it will somehow make it so.
I mean Wolverine replied to me with points and a relatively, open mind on the subject.
But most others are just screaming 'IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!'
And the less said about the OP's diatribe based on emotion, arrogance and zero facts...the better.