Pope calls down Putin's barbarism

[Nordberg]

there are wars for all reasons - self defense from NATO encirclement and be warred agaisnt in a proxy manner is another

the only maxim i know that fits war is "War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy"

NATO is not an offensive organization. It was designed to act when Russia attacked a neighbor. However, you have to be in NATO for that to happen. Ukraine is not. Existing is not a cause of war. Putin is waging a war of choice.
Putin eschewed diplomacy and went straight to Defcon 3.
This is Putin's war. Ukraine did nothing except became capitalistic and westernized by choice. That is not a cause of war. Putin was looking for one and decided "fuck it, I will do it anyway".

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Correct. I've said many times I'm an atheist. The pope can kiss my ring.

and you're saying the 1.2 Billion globally and 50 Million American Catholics can too. I get it. Stalin and Mao said something similar. LOL

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I believe Congress will demand the Pentagon take some level of offensive action towards the Russian military directly involving us in the war.

You'll know as our Naval Fleet starts surrounding Europe and Asia in the following days orienting themselves for an all out assault on the Russian Army in the Ukraine, and Russian missile defense systems beyond the border into Russia.

Regardless if we like it or not, WWIII is looking more like an inevitable now!

For all we know, the Pentagon may have information that Russian Subs with ballistic missiles are already heading our way.

Congress as a whole? Never. Dickweeds who like to grandstand knowing it will never happen? Sure. They're on both sides of the aisle but the Republicans hold my vote for the Top 5 idiots.

Like the usual suspects in Congress are doing now, they'll Monday Morning Quarterback, claim "our people do it better" and the other usual bullshit that does little except make noise.

I doubt Biden gives into stupidity and gives that order. It's not necessary. The fucking Russians are dying by the bushel every day. Their only advantage is a shitload of ammo to pound the cities. Javelins are fucking up their supply chain. It's fucking winter. Despite the legends, people are people and Russians still freeze to death just like Ukrainians and everyone else. No fuel, no heat. No heat, soldiers get cold. Low or no rations, same thing. It's a war of attrition that, at this rate is going to see some major problems on the Russian side as long as the Ukrainians can hang on.

I think they can but a shitload of Javelins with "God Bless America" printed on them would be a nice gift to support freedom.

 

[Cypress]

there are wars for all reasons - self defense from NATO encirclement and be warred agaisnt in a proxy manner is another

the only maxim i know that fits war is "War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy"

NATO did not encircle Russia and nothing NATO did justifies the barbaric violence Putin unleashed on the sovereign and independent state of Ukraine.

There is a free market of ideas out there. No one was stopping Putin from using Russia's soft power to convince eastern Europeans that their economic and strategic interests lay in aligning with a Eurasian economic and political sphere with Russia as the leading nation.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Congress as a whole? Never. Dickweeds who like to grandstand knowing it will never happen? Sure. They're on both sides of the aisle but the Republicans hold my vote for the Top 5 idiots.

Like the usual suspects in Congress are doing now, they'll Monday Morning Quarterback, claim "our people do it better" and the other usual bullshit that does little except make noise.

I doubt Biden gives into stupidity and gives that order. It's not necessary. The fucking Russians are dying by the bushel every day. Their only advantage is a shitload of ammo to pound the cities. Javelins are fucking up their supply chain. It's fucking winter. Despite the legends, people are people and Russians still freeze to death just like Ukrainians and everyone else. No fuel, no heat. No heat, soldiers get cold. Low or no rations, same thing. It's a war of attrition that, at this rate is going to see some major problems on the Russian side as long as the Ukrainians can hang on.

I think they can but a shitload of Javelins with "God Bless America" printed on them would be a nice gift to support freedom.

Yes, there are some Trumptards in Congress that tend to be carrying Pooty's water and Propaganda and anti-American Campaign to further divide us and start a civil war in our own country, but they are just a side-show now as they are being identified. Congress will come together, for the most part, when we are facing Russia's threat to our own nation.

As I said, the Pentagon may have information and intelligence that Pooty is preparing to drag us into this war head on. He has already served up a Gambit by threatening the world with his nukes and trying to hold the world as hostage.

We and our allies are prepared to act on his gambit! The world will have to be pro-active now!

 

[Nordberg]

NATO did not encircle Russia and nothing NATO did justifies the barbaric violence Putin unleashed on the sovereign and independent state of Ukraine.

There is a free market of ideas out there. No one was stopping Putin from using Russia's soft power to convince eastern Europeans that their economic and strategic interests lay in aligning with a Eurasian economic and political sphere with Russia as the leading nation.

That idiot justifies war because you do not like your neighbor's form of government or economy. We should attack Cuba. They are commies.

 

[dukkha]

NATO did not encircle Russia and nothing NATO did justifies the barbaric violence Putin unleashed on the sovereign and independent state of Ukraine.
There is a free market of ideas out there.

look at a map

No one was stopping Putin from using Russia's soft power to convince eastern Europeans that their economic and strategic interests lay in aligning with a Eurasian economic and political sphere with Russia as the leading nation.

are you that ingornant of the Euromaidan? That is exactly what Nuland was trying to do
and she accomplished it

Vladimir Putin’s Eurasian Economic Union gets ready to take on the world
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/eurasian-economic-union-russia-belarus-kazakhstan

This dream foundered last November in Kiev, when the Maidan protests started. They carried away President Viktor Yanukovych, guilty in the eyes of the demonstrators of refusing an association agreement with the EU. Ukraine, with its population of 45 million, was supposed to play a key role in the EEU, on account of its economic clout and the place it occupies in the Russian imagination and worldview. “Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire,” the former US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in The Grand Chessboard, in 1997.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

NATO did not encircle Russia and nothing NATO did justifies the barbaric violence Putin unleashed on the sovereign and independent state of Ukraine.

There is a free market of ideas out there. No one was stopping Putin from using Russia's soft power to convince eastern Europeans that their economic and strategic interests lay in aligning with a Eurasian economic and political sphere with Russia as the leading nation.

Agreed. Dookie is just a useful idiot for Putin.

Putin is the aggressor and blames the victim.

 

[LV426]

look at a map



are you that ingornant of the Euromaidan? That is exactly what Nuland was trying to do
and she accomplished it

Vladimir Putin’s Eurasian Economic Union gets ready to take on the world
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/eurasian-economic-union-russia-belarus-kazakhstan

This dream foundered last November in Kiev, when the Maidan protests started. They carried away President Viktor Yanukovych, guilty in the eyes of the demonstrators of refusing an association agreement with the EU. Ukraine, with its population of 45 million, was supposed to play a key role in the EEU, on account of its economic clout and the place it occupies in the Russian imagination and worldview. “Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire,” the former US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in The Grand Chessboard, in 1997.

Anatta tests Russian propaganda out on JPP before he disseminates it across broader social media.

Like clockwork, what Anatta writes on JPP ends up being parroted by Fox News 24-48 hours later.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

look at a map

are you that ingornant of the Euromaidan? That is exactly what Nuland was trying to do
and she accomplished it

Vladimir Putin’s Eurasian Economic Union gets ready to take on the world
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/eurasian-economic-union-russia-belarus-kazakhstan

This dream foundered last November in Kiev, when the Maidan protests started. They carried away President Viktor Yanukovych, guilty in the eyes of the demonstrators of refusing an association agreement with the EU. Ukraine, with its population of 45 million, was supposed to play a key role in the EEU, on account of its economic clout and the place it occupies in the Russian imagination and worldview. “Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire,” the former US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in The Grand Chessboard, in 1997.

Yes, Dookie; look at a fucking map:

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes, there are some Trumptards in Congress that tend to be carrying Pooty's water and Propaganda and anti-American Campaign to further divide us and start a civil war in our own country, but they are just a side-show now as they are being identified. Congress will come together, for the most part, when we are facing Russia's threat to our own nation.

As I said, the Pentagon may have information and intelligence that Pooty is preparing to drag us into this war head on. He has already served up a Gambit by threatening the world with his nukes and trying to hold the world as hostage.

We and our allies are prepared to act on his gambit! The world will have to be pro-active now!

Not just the JCS but also our allies, both NATO and non-NATO. WWIII affects more than just Europe. Australia, Japan, and the rest of the world have a stake in this too.

 

[Moosakofsky]

. and you're saying the 1.2 Billion globally and 50 Million American Catholics can too.

I challenge you to repost where I said that. Bet you can’t. Just the pope.

I get it. Stalin and Mao said something similar. LOL.

That’s nice.

 

[dukkha]

Agreed. Dookie is just a useful idiot for Putin.

Putin is the aggressor and blames the victim.

if you could address the point about Eurasian soft power CYPRESS brought up i might take you seriously

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seems neither of you are able

 

[Cypress]

look at a map



are you that ingornant of the Euromaidan? That is exactly what Nuland was trying to do
and she accomplished it

Vladimir Putin’s Eurasian Economic Union gets ready to take on the world
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/eurasian-economic-union-russia-belarus-kazakhstan

This dream foundered last November in Kiev, when the Maidan protests started. They carried away President Viktor Yanukovych, guilty in the eyes of the demonstrators of refusing an association agreement with the EU. Ukraine, with its population of 45 million, was supposed to play a key role in the EEU, on account of its economic clout and the place it occupies in the Russian imagination and worldview. “Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire,” the former US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in The Grand Chessboard, in 1997.

So Dear Vlad wasn't able to sell Russian soft power to Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, et al.

That's the free market of ideas. Because Lithuania and Ukraine were not sold on Russian soft power does not entitle Putin to invade them.

 

[dukkha]

So Dear Vlad wasn't able to sell Russian soft power to Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, et al.

That's the free market of ideas. Because Lithuania and Ukraine were not sold on Russian soft power does not entitle Putin to invade them.

you are still practicing willful ignorance after being shown Yanukovych had a deal with Russia to join the
Eurasian Economic Union, in return for Russia forgiving Uk nat gas debts
This was long before the invasion - Crimean annexation was the result

Nuland orchestrated the entire matter.
Being a neocon her and Robert Kagan did what they do best. Meddling and regime change

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I challenge you to repost where I said that. Bet you can’t. Just the pope.That’s nice.

If that's not what you meant then what did you mean by these posts?

Oh gee, now that the pope condemns the invasion I guess I'm against it too.

Maybe I should be more obvious for those that are too thick and spell out my sarcasm.
Oh gee, now that the pope condemns the invasion I guess I'm against it too.


It's way more complicated than that, don't be a simpleton.

Correct. I've said many times I'm an atheist. The pope can kiss my ring.

Do you hate Catholics or just don't give a fuck about what 50M Americans think or believe? 1.2B people around the world?

 

[Cypress]

you are still practicing willful ignorance after being shown Yanukovych had a deal with Russia to join the
Eurasian Economic Union, in return for Russia forgiving Uk nat gas debts
This was long before the invasion - Crimean annexation was the result

Nuland orchestrated the entire matter.
Being a neocon her and Robert Kagan did what they do best. Meddling and regime change

Ukraine is a democracy which is voting for pro-western candidates for the most part. Zelensky was elected decisively by Ukrainians.

.If Putin cannot sell his soft power, then the solution is to up his game.

That is how the free market of ideas works.

That would probably mean Putin would have to reform Russia to be more open, more democratic, less corrupt. Because democratic nations of eastern Europe are unlikely to want to align with a Russian criminal oligarchy.


At any rate, this is all academic at this point. Putin's barbaric, destructive, and illegal invasion of Ukraine means that Ukranians are going to hate Russia with a passion for generations to come. "Genuis" Putin probably just steered Russia into being a fading second rate economic power for the remainder of the 21st century.

 

[dukkha]

Ukraine is a democracy which is voting for pro-western candidates for the most part. Zelensky was elected decisively by Ukrainians.

.If Putin cannot sell his soft power, then the solution is to up his game.

That is how the free market of ideas works.

That would probably mean Putin would have to reform Russia to be more open, more democratic, less corrupt. Because democratic nations of eastern Europe are unlikely to want to align with a Russian criminal oligarchy.


At any rate, this is all academic at this point. Putin's barbaric, destructive, and illegal invasion of Ukraine means that Ukranians are going to hate Russia with a passion for generations to come. Putin probably just steered Russia into being a fading second rate economic power for the remainder of the 21st century.

Zelensky has shut down opposition newspapers and TV stations
The Poroshenko indictment ( and I am not fan of Poroshenko) looks to be political

I'll take your concession of the absurd post that Russia wouldn't use soft power to entice Uk
in return for me agreeing it moot because of the invasion

But if we can't get a neutral Uk out of this -which Zelensky offered - it's gonna fester again
It also gives the neocons a base to operate - no good can come from that as well

 

[Dutch Uncle]

if you could address the point about Eurasian soft power CYPRESS brought up i might take you seriously

seems neither of you are able

First, Dookie, your typical gaslighting and projecting is only surpassed by your hypocrisy in disrupting threads then whining if everyone doesn't doe exactly as you like when you take an interest.

Second, Cypress is correct. Russia has several options but Putin isn't a team player; he's a dictator. It's his way or the highway just like Xi, just like Kim and just like the wannabe dictator, the ex-prez #45. Dictators don't make good business partners over the long run.

Third, why should I care what a Putin cocksucker thinks about me?

Eye-candy + humor:

 

[BidenPresident]

When the Pope stops allowing priests to rape children I'll care about his opinions.