Simple solution to gas shortage. National speed limit to 45 mph. SAVE LIVES TOO

[T. A. Gardner]

If I am also moving at 80 (or 45 in the second case), it makes no real difference.

The difference is how a collision between vehicles occurs. Being rear ended by a car doing 80 when you're doing 45 is far less dangerous and damaging than being hit head on by a car doing 45 when you're doing 45 too.

 

[Into the Night]

HAHAHA. What a stupid thing to say. It takes much more energy to travel a mile at 90 mph than at say 50 because of wind resistance.

About the same, actually (slightly higher). Aerodynamic drag is less of a problem than road drag. 50mph is the lower end of the transition speed. Driving 50 uses more fuel than driving 65.

Then the other question. Who are YOU to dictate how much fuel I want to use when I drive?

 

[Into the Night]

45 is too slow.

America despised it when the national limit was 55.
You REALLY think they will be okay now with 45?

Also, you try and drive 45 on I-80 through Iowa?
You'll drop dead from boredom.

He forgot the strikes from the truckers over the 55 law as well.

 

[Into the Night]

The difference is how a collision between vehicles occurs. Being rear ended by a car doing 80 when you're doing 45 is far less dangerous and damaging than being hit head on by a car doing 45 when you're doing 45 too.

Yup. As Einstein said...it's all relative.

ALL speeds are relative measurements. You may be doing 80, but if the vehicle next to you is also doing 80 in the same direction, the speed between you is zero. If you are close enough, you can actually pass a beer between the two of you.
A car doing 80 hitting a car doing 45 in the same direction is a 35mph crash.
A car doing 45 hitting a car going in the opposite direction is a 90mph crash.

Which brings up the main point: what to you call 'zero speed'? The car you are sitting in (regardless of it's speed relative to the road) or the other car going the other way? It's zero speed to him, after all. In each vehicle, to each driver or passenger in that vehicle, they can eat, drink, drop stuff in their car as if it were sitting still. The only way you can measure speed is relative to something else. That something else is what you happen to call 'zero' at the time.

There is no such thing as an absolute zero speed.

There IS one absolute speed: the speed of light in a vacuum. It will be the same for each observer, whether they are doing 45, 80, or 600mph.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

45 is too slow.

America despised it when the national limit was 55.
You REALLY think they will be okay now with 45?

Actually americans loved the 55 because it saved gas and lives. The media attacked it because they were paid by the auto industry to slam the 55.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

He forgot the strikes from the truckers over the 55 law as well.

Lie. Most roads restricted trucks to 55 or less even when the speed limit was 70. There were no trucker strikes.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Still waiting for someone to point out what is wrong with the idea of saving gas and money and lives. All i hear is a bunch of liberals saying "I like fast driving and i don't care what it costs or who i kill."

 

[AProudLefty]

Not quite. The difference is small, but it's there.

There are two main coefficients of drag imposed on a moving car. Both act as forces being applied to the mass of the car to cause deceleration (actually an acceleration).

These are road drag (the friction of the tires as they rotate, flex, contact and release the road pavement, axle friction, etc.; and aerodynamic drag (the car is also moving through the air).
Best mileage is when these two are essentially balanced.

At slow speeds, road drag is prevalent. As the car speeds up, road drag actually begins to reduce, since tire flex and road friction is reduced (even the effects of axle drag is decreased, due to the characteristics of grease at high speeds). It also means aerodynamic drag increases.

At higher speeds, aerodynamic drag is prevalent. At such speeds, you can actually feel the car 'flying' instead of just rolling along.

At 55mph, the transition begins. You can feel it as the uneven behavior of the car (depending on local breezes and road surface variations). Mileage is worse.

At too slow a speed, mileage is worse.
At higher speeds, mileage actually improves, as the car transitions more to aerodynamic drag. The best mileage is when you feel the vehicle smoothly 'flying' at the minimum speed to do so. Typically, this is around 60mph to 65mph for most cars.

Forcing lower speeds to 'save fuel' is itself fascism. Who is the government to tell me if I want to save fuel or not? If I want to drive faster and use more fuel to do it, that's MY choice, NOT the government's!. Remember, it is MY fuel that I buy. I own it. I can do what I want with it.

The ONLY thing about any speed limit is safety, and only related to the road itself, NOT due to some political or economy managing from the government!

It the road is built to handle 80mph, I should be able to drive 80mph.

Um I took science classes too.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Still waiting for someone to point out what is wrong with the idea of saving gas and money and lives. All i hear is a bunch of liberals saying "I like fast driving and i don't care what it costs or who i kill."

That's because you are ignoring the counter arguments to your position almost entirely.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

That's because you are ignoring the counter arguments to your position almost entirely.

There are no counter arguments. My idea is obviously right. Democrats just don't like it . It's the same way they treat child molesting. They know molesting kids is wrong but they like to do it and that's that. They know speeding is also wrong but again, they simply like to do it and don't care who they kill. All democrats are psychopaths.

 

[Legion]

Your idea may come to fruition by default if bungling Biden and his green goons cause gas prices to keep rising.

 

[Nordberg]

Text is crazy, but his idea would do what he says.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There are no counter arguments. My idea is obviously right. Democrats just don't like it . It's the same way they treat child molesting. They know molesting kids is wrong but they like to do it and that's that. They know speeding is also wrong but again, they simply like to do it and don't care who they kill. All democrats are psychopaths.

No, I don't. I'm not an advocate of "Safety first." I believe, like Mike Rowe (Dirty Jobs fame), "Safety Third." I don't think that saving lives is an overriding priority, like you. I also don't think that you or anyone else should be able to say "We need to 'save' gasoline" as a justification for lower speeds. I've driven enough on rural interstates and rural highways to know that a 45 mph speed limit, at least in the Western half of the US would be ignored entirely. I know I'd ignore it as an insane stupidity.

There are always counter arguments.

For example, how much is a human life worth?

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

No, I don't. I'm not an advocate of "Safety first." I believe, like Mike Rowe (Dirty Jobs fame), "Safety Third." I don't think that saving lives is an overriding priority, like you. I also don't think that you or anyone else should be able to say "We need to 'save' gasoline" as a justification for lower speeds. I've driven enough on rural interstates and rural highways to know that a 45 mph speed limit, at least in the Western half of the US would be ignored entirely. I know I'd ignore it as an insane stupidity.

There are always counter arguments.

For example, how much is a human life worth?

How much is a human life worth.? What a dumb question. The question is why do we accept 110 americans killed EVERY DAY on the highways when we could easily reduce that to say 20 and save billions of dollars to boot?

As to your claim that no one would obey the 45 - that would depend on the penalty. If caught doing 60 in a 45 resulted in license suspension of a few months, compliance would be very good. Speeding is not a crime of passion or necessity. People do it because they like to and the penalties are so light. If bank robbery was punished by a $200 fine, everybody would do that. THINK, you demented degenerate despicable deranged tranny.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Text is crazy, but his idea would do what he says.

Yes - it's that obvious. A 45 mph speed limit would save gas, lives, and money. Unfortunately millions of american drivers are psychopaths and insist on driving 80 mph and hell with the consequences.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Your idea may come to fruition by default if bungling Biden and his green goons cause gas prices to keep rising.

Actually i would like to see gas at say $10 a gallon. I truly think it would do more good than harm. People would drive much slower and much less and highway crashes would drop by say 70%. They would drop in cities too even though speed limits there are already under 45. But again fewer people would be driving in the cities.

 

[Legion]

Actually i would like to see gas at say $10 a gallon. I truly think it would do more good than harm. People would drive much slower and much less and highway crashes would drop by say 70%. They would drop in cities too even though speed limits there are already under 45. But again fewer people would be driving in the cities.

Think so?

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

For those who say the 55 speed limit did not save 9,000 lives a year when it started in 1974, check out this

http://www.publicpurpose.com/hwy-fatal57+.htm

-----deaths------vehicle miles

1971 53,761 1,183,524 4.54
1972 55,704 1,264,614 4.40
1973 55,113 1,316,207 4.19
1974 46,078 1,282,790 3.59
1975 45,500 1,330,074 3.42
1976 45,523 1,402,380 3.25
1977 47,878 1,467,027 3.26
1978 50,331 1,544,704 3.26

 

[Into the Night]

Lie. Most roads restricted trucks to 55 or less even when the speed limit was 70. There were no trucker strikes.

Denial of history.

 

[Into the Night]

Still waiting for someone to point out what is wrong with the idea of saving gas and money and lives. All i hear is a bunch of liberals saying "I like fast driving and i don't care what it costs or who i kill."

In a word, fascism.