U.S. rejects Poland's offer to give it Russian-made fighter jets for Ukraine

[ExpressLane]

WASHINGTON, March 8 (Reuters) - The United States rejected a surprise offer by NATO ally Poland on Tuesday to transfer its Russian-made MiG-29 fighter jets to a U.S. base in Germany as a way to replenish Ukraine's air force in its defense against invading Russian forces.

The United States has sought to speed weapons deliveries to Ukraine. But the prospect of flying combat aircraft from NATO territory into the war zone "raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance," the Pentagon said.

NATO has said it does not want direct conflict with Russia, a fellow nuclear-armed power, and President Joe Biden has ruled out sending U.S. troops into Ukraine to fight, something the Pentagon has said would apply to troops on the ground or in the air, flying missions.

"It is simply not clear to us that there is a substantive rationale for it," Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said of Poland's proposal.

"We will continue to consult with Poland and our other NATO allies about this issue and the difficult logistical challenges it presents, but we do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one."

Poland's foreign ministry announced on Tuesday that it was ready to deploy its MiG-29 jets to Ramstein Air Base in Germany and put them at the disposal of the United States. It urged other members of the alliance that had other such aircraft to do the same.

The U.S. State Department's No. 3 diplomat said the Polish proposal caught the United States by surprise.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...sion-give-it-fighter-jets-ukraine-2022-03-08/
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JPP what say you? Should we give them to Ukraine and probably save lives or bend the knee to Putin and prevent Ukraine from getting the jets.

Discuss

 

[Nordberg]

We sent over 90 tons of weapons to Ukraine. There is a point where the war becomes yours and Ukraine becomes just a battlefield. Some of us think we have to be careful and not cross the line.

 

[Cypress]

Poland's foreign ministry announced on Tuesday that it was ready to deploy its MiG-29 jets to Ramstein Air Base in Germany and put them at the disposal of the United States.

Poland is a sovereign nation and can give their Migs directly to Ukraine. They don't need a middle man. America doesn't have any Migs to donate.

 

[ExpressLane]

We sent over 90 tons of weapons to Ukraine. There is a point where the war becomes yours and Ukraine becomes just a battlefield. Some of us think we have to be careful and not cross the line.

The planes aren't ours. So he Ukrainians can kill Russians with American made Javelin missiles but they can't kill them with Russian made Polish owned Migs. That is just dumb.

 

[Grokmaster]

WASHINGTON, March 8 (Reuters) - The United States rejected a surprise offer by NATO ally Poland on Tuesday to transfer its Russian-made MiG-29 fighter jets to a U.S. base in Germany as a way to replenish Ukraine's air force in its defense against invading Russian forces.

The United States has sought to speed weapons deliveries to Ukraine. But the prospect of flying combat aircraft from NATO territory into the war zone "raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance," the Pentagon said.

NATO has said it does not want direct conflict with Russia, a fellow nuclear-armed power, and President Joe Biden has ruled out sending U.S. troops into Ukraine to fight, something the Pentagon has said would apply to troops on the ground or in the air, flying missions.

"It is simply not clear to us that there is a substantive rationale for it," Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said of Poland's proposal.

"We will continue to consult with Poland and our other NATO allies about this issue and the difficult logistical challenges it presents, but we do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one."

Poland's foreign ministry announced on Tuesday that it was ready to deploy its MiG-29 jets to Ramstein Air Base in Germany and put them at the disposal of the United States. It urged other members of the alliance that had other such aircraft to do the same.

The U.S. State Department's No. 3 diplomat said the Polish proposal caught the United States by surprise.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...sion-give-it-fighter-jets-ukraine-2022-03-08/
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JPP what say you? Should we give them to Ukraine and probably save lives or bend the knee to Putin and prevent Ukraine from getting the jets.

Discuss

SO THE PRES.MORON ADM. REFUSES TO HELP UKRAINE?

 

[Nordberg]

SO THE PRES.MORON ADM. REFUSES TO HELP UKRAINE?

They gave them 90 tons of military gear. That is helping them. We also voted on their side at the UN. You are one of the most dishonest rightys here. Biden used presidential powers to OK 350 million in Security Aid to Ukraine. We sent them hundreds of Stinger missiles. We are the largest humanitarian aid donor to Ukraine.
You just lie and lie.

 

[ExpressLane]

They gave them 90 tons of military gear. That is helping them. We also voted on their side at the UN. You are one of the most dishonest rightys here. Biden used presidential powers to OK 350 million in Security Aid to Ukraine. We sent them hundreds of Stinger missiles. We are the largest humanitarian aid donor to Ukraine.
You just lie and lie.

Stingers are great against low flying aircraft. The Ukrainians need MIGs to defend themselves against Russian jets that are dropping bomb on maternity and children hospitals. Bombing is frequently done by high flying aircraft that Stingers can't reach. Our rejecting the transfer of the MIGs helps the Russian bombing campaign. Why do you want to help Russia comrade Nordberg?

 

[ExpressLane]

Poland is a sovereign nation and can give their Migs directly to Ukraine. They don't need a middle man. America doesn't have any Migs to donate.

They are NATO country and they need the US to provide F16s to replace the MIG so that they aren't left defenseless.