As Russia Wages War, US Army Trains Officers on Gender Identity

NiftyNiblick said:
I, my dad, and my son ALL served in the military, however. My dad's of course long gone, but neither my son nor I are the people you'd go to for an opinion on the militray. So basically, while I never have anything good to say about volsrock's posts, seeing that I can only read them in other peoples' quotes, i wouldn't put a lot of weight on the credential of having actually served. Most of us don't get a hell of a lot out of it (although I do get an agent orange check--every few bucks help).
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NiftyNiblick said:
I, my dad, and my son ALL served in the military, however. My dad's of course long gone, but neither my son nor I are the people you'd go to for an opinion on the militray.
So basically, while I never have anything good to say about volsrock's posts, seeing that I can only read them in other peoples' quotes,
i wouldn't put a lot of weight on the credential of having actually served.
Most of us don't get a hell of a lot out of it (although I do get an agent orange check--every few bucks help).
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Well I know he invented about his daddy serving after many times saying only his grandfather served, His daddy did serve alright like he and his son -in the penitentiary
 
volsrock said:
Yup..My Dad was the 21st Airborne Division and my Granddad hit the beach on D-Day

I was in the same branch as Biden....what branch was he in?
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21st Airborne Division (United States)

The US 21st Airborne Division was a 'ghost division' created in 1944 as part of Fortitude South.

21st Airborne Division
The 21st Guards Airborne Division was an airborne division of the Soviet airborne from 1948 to 1955. It was based in Valga and was formed from a regiment of the 104th Guards Airborne Division.

So your daddy and grandaddy both served in WWII and your daddy served in the Role in the 21st Airborne Division for Diversion Phantom Formation:laugh:
 
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BartenderElite said:
"More likely?" Any links or information on that? Please expound.
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This--training for the wrong war-- always happens. It's part of bureaucratic inertia. The Army tends to be the service hit hardest by this because the others have either technical missions where training in peacetime is mostly about just keeping equipment working and practice with it isn't much different from wartime (USAF and Navy). The Marines have a limited mission scope compared to the Army so they too can prepare better for a next war.

The Army's problem is they can face a very wide range of land wars they have to fight. What worked for a limited war won't work for a major war against a like power. So, the Army's warfighting skill set is often behind the curve. Making that worse is in peacetime it's hard to train large units in land combat, and if those units are forced to spend more time getting lectured about gender and woke whatever, it detracts from combat training and readiness.
That sort of training also costs money so that has to come out of the budget and replaces other training that could have been done.

I've seen this myself repeatedly. Everybody is ordered to attend some mass lecture. The officers and senior NCO's (like me) might get a smaller classroom version on top of that that takes all day. That's a day shot through when you could be doing something productive. For the troops, it's like having to attend some mass lecture / event in high school--in one ear, out the other. They could care less other than how it might affect them when the supervision is around.

For officers and NCO's the more visible you are day to day to the higher ups, the more you have to play politically correct. If you are doing something that rarely gets the notice of that sort--engineers and technicians fall into that category--you have more leeway to ignore the bullshit going on.

The problem arises for leadership when you have someone in the unit that is in one of the now "special" categories that have been created. This is especially true if they are whiney about their being special. I've been through that situation repeatedly. The outcome can be in your favor if you have your ducks in a row, but if you're not on the ball as an officer or senior NCO, someone like that can ruin your career in an instant. So, for the more mediocre leadership, or the ticket punchers, such a POS in your unit is a wrecking ball to both morale and readiness.

The way I dealt with them was I'd already thought through what they were going to do so when they started shit with the chain of command I could crush their complaint(s) in an instant with the higher ups. You allowed yourself to get blindsided by one of these assholes, and you were through. Saw that more than once.

This is another case of readiness for combat taking a backseat to political correctness. I'll give you an example from my experience. Got a new E-5 assigned to my shop, a female. She was totally unqualified as a technician in rate. Knew nothing. She had spent her previous time in the Navy doing office work in the division office where she had been assigned. I had an E-6 doing that stuff to lean my job for promotion and didn't need her to do shit in the office.
She got all pissy about how I was making her do all sorts of dirty, basic jobs in the shop and complained upstairs. I pointed out she didn't possess sufficient knowledge--by pointedly asking her basic question an E-5 should know --and that even the Zero's could see that she should know--so I assigned her to necessary tasks like sandblasting motors and generators coming in for repair because that took little training. If she wanted more technical jobs she needed to put in the time and learn them first. Until then, it was grunt work because that too had to get done and I wasn't putting my good workers on that.
She continued to bitch and moan about things. I told her point blank if she didn't like her current rate then she should cross rate to something else like Yeoman or Personnelman and the like where she could do paperwork, if that's what she wanted. In the end, that's exactly what she did but not before making enough stink that the higher ups pulled her out of my shop and let her have an office job.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
This--training for the wrong war-- always happens. It's part of bureaucratic inertia. The Army tends to be the service hit hardest by this because the others have either technical missions where training in peacetime is mostly about just keeping equipment working and practice with it isn't much different from wartime (USAF and Navy). The Marines have a limited mission scope compared to the Army so they too can prepare better for a next war.

The Army's problem is they can face a very wide range of land wars they have to fight. What worked for a limited war won't work for a major war against a like power. So, the Army's warfighting skill set is often behind the curve. Making that worse is in peacetime it's hard to train large units in land combat, and if those units are forced to spend more time getting lectured about gender and woke whatever, it detracts from combat training and readiness.
That sort of training also costs money so that has to come out of the budget and replaces other training that could have been done.

I've seen this myself repeatedly. Everybody is ordered to attend some mass lecture. The officers and senior NCO's (like me) might get a smaller classroom version on top of that that takes all day. That's a day shot through when you could be doing something productive. For the troops, it's like having to attend some mass lecture / event in high school--in one ear, out the other. They could care less other than how it might affect them when the supervision is around.

For officers and NCO's the more visible you are day to day to the higher ups, the more you have to play politically correct. If you are doing something that rarely gets the notice of that sort--engineers and technicians fall into that category--you have more leeway to ignore the bullshit going on.

The problem arises for leadership when you have someone in the unit that is in one of the now "special" categories that have been created. This is especially true if they are whiney about their being special. I've been through that situation repeatedly. The outcome can be in your favor if you have your ducks in a row, but if you're not on the ball as an officer or senior NCO, someone like that can ruin your career in an instant. So, for the more mediocre leadership, or the ticket punchers, such a POS in your unit is a wrecking ball to both morale and readiness.

The way I dealt with them was I'd already thought through what they were going to do so when they started shit with the chain of command I could crush their complaint(s) in an instant with the higher ups. You allowed yourself to get blindsided by one of these assholes, and you were through. Saw that more than once.

This is another case of readiness for combat taking a backseat to political correctness. I'll give you an example from my experience. Got a new E-5 assigned to my shop, a female. She was totally unqualified as a technician in rate. Knew nothing. She had spent her previous time in the Navy doing office work in the division office where she had been assigned. I had an E-6 doing that stuff to lean my job for promotion and didn't need her to do shit in the office.
She got all pissy about how I was making her do all sorts of dirty, basic jobs in the shop and complained upstairs. I pointed out she didn't possess sufficient knowledge--by pointedly asking her basic question an E-5 should know --and that even the Zero's could see that she should know--so I assigned her to necessary tasks like sandblasting motors and generators coming in for repair because that took little training. If she wanted more technical jobs she needed to put in the time and learn them first. Until then, it was grunt work because that too had to get done and I wasn't putting my good workers on that.
She continued to bitch and moan about things. I told her point blank if she didn't like her current rate then she should cross rate to something else like Yeoman or Personnelman and the like where she could do paperwork, if that's what she wanted. In the end, that's exactly what she did but not before making enough stink that the higher ups pulled her out of my shop and let her have an office job.
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Oh blow it out your MAGA ass with your armchair, chickenhawk BS and fantasy tales.

YOU unwaveringly supported the "Gulf War", invading/occupying Iraq and Afghanistan.

All based on lies and/or bad leadership decisions...all conservative administration's machinations.

Improper equipment, incorrect planning and execution. All matters of fact and history that MAGA flunkies like you can't cop to error and will defend to death (not yours though, just the poor enlisted bastards).
 
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Taichiliberal said:
Oh blow it out your MAGA ass, clown with your armchair, chickenhawk BS and fantasy tales. YOU unwaveringly supported the "Gulf War", invading/occupying Iraq and Afghanistan. All based on lies and/or bad leadership decisions...all conservative administration's machinations. Improper equipment, incorrect planning and execution. All matters of fact and history that MAGA flunkies like you can't cop to error and will defend to death (not yours though, just the poor enlisted bastards).
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The chronology of the posts™ trumps your blather.

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STILL waiting for our sheet wearing, POS author of the OP to explain to the reading audience in no uncertain terms what was his point?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Oh blow it out your MAGA ass with your armchair, chickenhawk BS and fantasy tales.

YOU unwaveringly supported the "Gulf War", invading/occupying Iraq and Afghanistan.

All based on lies and/or bad leadership decisions...all conservative administration's machinations.

Improper equipment, incorrect planning and execution. All matters of fact and history that MAGA flunkies like you can't cop to error and will defend to death (not yours though, just the poor enlisted bastards).
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I served, unlike you who couldn't even get accepted in the military let alone be put in a job skill below the bottom 10% of those that take the ASVAB.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You said "trump!" Expect to be pilloried for that...
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Legion is yet another defeated flunky of the right wing who constantly dogs my posts and threads to tell everyone they are not worth reading or responding to.
I whupped his sorry ass so many times that he got flustered and just made childish & repetitive retorts...which is why he's on the ignore list.
Can you say "Legion has psychological issues" boys & girls? Sure you can, I knew you could.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Legion is yet another defeated flunky of the right wing who constantly dogs my posts and threads to tell everyone they are not worth reading or responding to. I whupped his sorry ass so many times that he got flustered and just made childish & repetitive retorts...which is why he's on the ignore list. Can you say "Legion has psychological issues" boys & girls? Sure you can, I knew you could.
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As usual, the customary chronology of the posts™ exposes your total humiliation.

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T. A. Gardner said:
You said "trump!" Expect to be pilloried for that...
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iu
 
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