Demwit
uscitizen alternate login
DUHHH, as I have been trying to tell you . Yes it does. You said you were versed on KY law. sheesh.
Any business can prohibit guns on their premises.
Except for law enforcement of course.
What are gunners trying to prove?
- Thread starter Taichiliberal
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DUHHH, as I have been trying to tell you . Yes it does. You said you were versed on KY law. sheesh.
Any business can prohibit guns on their premises.
Except for law enforcement of course.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
you only alluded to KY law, you didn't specify that he was charged with violating state law. looks like we both assumed on this one.
only in the course of their official duties. a private property owner can indeed prohibit guns on law enforcement officers if they are not acting in their official capacity.
uscitizen
Villified User
Bullcrap, try going into a school or courthouse in KY with a gun.
You are not even allowed pocket knives in there unless you are a cop.
Guns are not even allowed on school property even in your vehicle in the parking lot.
Thanks to homeland Security.
Remember I am a Cop.
only alluded to KY law? Of course you thought I was talking about NY law I suppose.
A smooth attempt to save face though.
You are not even allowed pocket knives in there unless you are a cop.
Guns are not even allowed on school property even in your vehicle in the parking lot.
Thanks to homeland Security.
Remember I am a Cop.
only alluded to KY law? Of course you thought I was talking about NY law I suppose.
A smooth attempt to save face though.
Jeff
Who gives a damn
Where did it say assault rifle(might have not sure), and furthermore if it is legal and the guy doesn't mind the hassle what is all the hoop la about?
Seems to me this is just a way for you to scream about white trailer trash people, lol, or what you would call them,
I am wondering, if ya are white and went to college are ya still white trash? LOL
This is a funny thread, but again it proves someone can go to college get a degree and still be as dumb as a wall
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and like most cops, you don't know shit about the law. I'm starting to think you have alzheimers because i've already said that the buildings are off limits, but not parking lots so long as you're licensed.
once again, I was referring to federal law, not state. If you are having this much trouble following along with the conversation, perhaps you should turn in that badge.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Again, that's the same stuff I've been hearing for the last what, 30 years? And the results? The Brady Bill passed, and yet had those two jokers parading around with open sidearms....one of them with an assault rifle. So their access to weapons has NOT been taken away. And Washington, DC had it's virtual ban on handguns repealed last year.
Bottom line: the gun manufacturers/sellers do NOT want their profit margins to drop..and FEAR is an effective way to reach that goal. Gun sales in my home town are booming (pardon the pun). So ANY gun control laws, no matter how minimal or logical, are instantly demonized.
The yahoos making the media spot light are getting negative publicity because of the sheer stupidity and possible dangerous results of their actions.....period.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Once again, you make these declarative statements tinged with a sneering attitude that, when properly researched, makes you look like the neocon bullhorn that you are and makes a mockery of your screen name. Pay attention: I point out the FACT that the "Wild West" did have gun control laws in order to curtail crime....I never disputed the OTHER reasons regarding gun control (in their proper time and place in history, of course). I was aware of the following back in senior year of high school...thank God for good class discussions and teachers smart enough to make kids research topics. Observe and learn, einstein:
http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2009/03/30/56811
http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/instruct/rcollins/scholarship/guns.html
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Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
What's truly sad is how incredibly myopic your cognitive reasoning skills are (not to your news source choices):
PAY ATTENTION AND STOP BRAYING LIKE AN ASS:
This is very troubling. We watched an interview last night of Ronald Kessler on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and this topic was covered. It was horrible to hear and think about. There is no reason this problem should be happening. NONE!
Budget cuts at the Secret Service are so deep and a “culture change” so pervasive that the agency tasked with protecting the president is putting his life is at risk, because agents are cutting so many corners.
The explosive charge comes from Ronald Kessler, author of the new book, “In the President’s Secret Service,” in which Kessler reveals many previously unknown inside info told to him by agents themselves.
The Secret Service denies Kessler’s assertion.
On “The Early Show”Tuesday, Kessler said such routine moves as using metal detectors until everyone attending a presidential or vice presidential event has entered are being curtailed, and someone carrying a weapon could sneak it in.
Kessler also told co-anchor Harry Smith about incidents from the personal lives of first families, among other things agents see and hear.
He also said Mr. Obama is still smoking “on a regular basis,” despite the president’s protestations to the contrary.
“Some agents were absolutely outraged that the Secret Service has been cutting corners lately, to the point where they’ll actually shut down metal detection when an event is about to start and there are stragglers or even, in the case of Joe Biden, when he threw the first pitch at the Orioles game, they’ll have no metal detection,” Kessler told Smith. “That means that gunmen, terrorists, can bring in weapons, can bring in grenades, and they will not be detected. So, they’re really takng a chance with the president’s life.”
“It’s sort of hard to figure” whether the cutbacks are just about budget, Kessler observed, adding, “It’s the culture which has started since (the Department of) Homeland Security took it over. It is partly budget. They should get much more money. They’re overworked. But also, it’s just a corner-cutting culture, and yet the threats are up 400 percent since (Mr.) Obama became president.”
“That is a sea change,” Smith pointed out, “in terms of an African-American president and all he history he made, but it also makes a huge difference in terms of his day to day protection.”
“It’s scary,” Kessler agreed, “and the Secret Service has not really changed to take account of that, because they’re cutting corners.”
Would he go so far to say that you think, because of these budget cuts, the president’s life might be at risk?
“Oh, there’s no question his life is in danger. How basic can it be that they don’t do metal detection when you go to an airport? Everyone goes through a metal detector. When George Bush was in the country of Georgia, someone got through with a grenade because metal detection was shut down. It’s exactly the same thing, the same chance. Tomorrow, (Mr.) Obama could be assassinated, Biden could be assassinated, simply because the Secret Service was not doing what it used to do until Homeland Security took it over.”
The Secret Service says Kessler’s allegations aren’t true. “The Secret Service assisted Mr. Kessler as we would any author writing a book about the agency,” the denial states. “We provided briefings, on the record interviews and accurate responses to his numerous questions. However, Mr. Kessler chose to base his criticisms of the agency on unnamed sources whose motives, knowledge and experience level remains unknown.
“Any suggestion that the Secret Service has “cut corners” in carrying our protective mission is just false. It is always difficult to defend your record against anonymous sources. However, it should be noted that we currently dedicate more personnel, funding and technical assets to our protective mission than at any time in our history and our protective measures and methods continue to increase in scope and complexity, not diminish.
“The safety of those we protect remains this agency’s highest priority. Failure is not an option.”
http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/cbs-news-secret-service-cuts-endangering-obama/
SmarterthanYou
rebel
a single county in which the gun control law was unconstitutionally implemented because of........BLACK state police officers.
another ridiculous episode where gun control was illegally implemented and ignored by the very people the laws were put in place to control.
now, can you kindly state the relation between these two articles you posted as all encompassing of gun control and the supposed right wing militia that you're bitching about in the OP??????
SmarterthanYou
rebel
your own damned article has the secret service calling your source a moron. who's the one braying? t'would be you.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Pay attention, genius. The articles I supply are quite specific as to WHAT they are addressing. I've posted EXACTLY what issues I'm addressing. That YOU cannot logically or factually disprove or dispell the information and the conclusions they present is just frustrating you to distraction....so much so that you carry on like the chronology of the post don't exists. A pathetic ploy on your part.
So when I PROVE that your assertions were WRONG...you just regurgitate your OPINION about your adversion to gun control laws and other drivel.
We get that, mastermind....but the individual POINTS that I made were accurate, and you are just not mature enough to admit that. Neocons and gunners NEVER concede a point even when the facts logically dictate that they do. Your insipid stubborness is just part of the reason why your screen name is a joke.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
And once again, you IGNORE the significance of the part I highlighted and underlined for you. I swear, your willful ignorance surpasses even my expectations sometimes.Go back, read and then incorporate that into what I previously wrote. Stop acting stupid and discuss this like an adult.
uscitizen
Villified User
And you were too dense to understand that I was speaking of KY law. And in my part of KY guns are off limits on all school property.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
i'll say it again, like most cops i've run across you don't know shit about the law.
KY is a pre-emptive state, meaning that no locality may make more restrictive laws than the state law, so you're 'my part of KY' is BS.
next:
which means that the school district can certainly prohibit concealed weapons from their parking lots, but that conflicts with federal law and as you libs are fond of strong federal governments, federal law supercedes state law. So, your school parking lot can have guns in cars if the person is licensed by the state.
I re-iterate, your student was charged because he wasn't licensed.
Good Luck
New member
And where did you obtain the proof that gaining media attention was the intent of the indivduals involved? Certainly not from the article you posted. No one bothered to post anything resembling an interview of the ones you are impugning. As far as I can tell, no one in the media bothered to ask them why they were carrying their firearms.
Fact is, you want to find reason to call them assholes. So you make up reasons without anything to substantiate it. The media went nuts over the issue, but that is the fault of the media, not the ones legally carrying their firearms in a legal manner. And you don't like it, so you join in the media craze.
uscitizen
Villified User
Just a reminder of what you posted.
uscitizen
Villified User
Places Off-Limits Even With A Permit/License
· Police station or sheriff's office.
· Detention facility, prison or jail
· Courthouse (Court of Justice, courtroom or court proceeding).
· County, municipal, or special district governing body meetings
· General Assembly session, including committee meetings.
· Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on
the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose;
· Elementary or secondary school facilities or any other property owned, used, or operated by any
board of education, school, board of trustees, regents, or directors for the administration of any public
or private educational institution. The provisions of this section shall not apply to institutions of
postsecondary or higher education. Note: Unlawful possession of a weapon on school property inKentucky is a felony punishable by a maximum of five (5) years in prison and a ten thousand dollar
($10,000) fine.
· Child-caring facilities, day care centers, or any certified family child care home.
· Areas within airport where restricted access is controlled by the inspection of persons or property.
· Any place where the carrying of a firearm is prohibited by federal law
· The owner, business or commercial lessee, or manager of a private business enterprise, day-care
center as defined in KRS 199.894 or certified or licensed family child-care home as defined in KRS
199.8982, or a health-care facility licensed under KRS Chapter 216B, except facilities renting or
leasing housing, may prohibit persons holding concealed deadly weapon licenses from carrying
concealed deadly weapons on the premises and may prohibit employees, not authorized by the
employer, holding concealed deadly weapons licenses from carrying concealed deadly weapons on
the property of the employer. If the building or the premises are open to the public, the employer or
business enterprise shall post signs on or about the premises if carrying concealed weapons is
prohibited.
· Possession of weapons, or ammunition, or both in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal
offense so long as the weapons, or ammunition, or both are not removed from the vehicle or
brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. A private but not a public employer may prohibit
employees or other persons holding a concealed deadly weapons license from carrying concealed
deadly weapons, or ammunition, or both in vehicles owned by the employer, but may not prohibit
employees or other persons holding a concealed deadly weapons license from carrying concealed
deadly weapons, or ammunition, or both in vehicles owned by the employee, except that the Justice
Cabinet may prohibit an employee from carrying any weapons, or ammunition, or both other than the
weapons, or ammunition, or both issued or authorized to be used Page 6 of 11 by the employee of the
cabinet, in a vehicle while transporting persons under the employee's supervision or jurisdiction.
· Carrying of a concealed weapon, or ammunition, or both in a location specified in the above bulleted
Item (In Vehicles) by a license holder shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to
denial from the premises or removal from the premises, and, if an employee of an employer,
disciplinary measures by the employer.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kentucky.pdf
· Police station or sheriff's office.
· Detention facility, prison or jail
· Courthouse (Court of Justice, courtroom or court proceeding).
· County, municipal, or special district governing body meetings
· General Assembly session, including committee meetings.
· Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on
the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose;
· Elementary or secondary school facilities or any other property owned, used, or operated by any
board of education, school, board of trustees, regents, or directors for the administration of any public
or private educational institution. The provisions of this section shall not apply to institutions of
postsecondary or higher education. Note: Unlawful possession of a weapon on school property inKentucky is a felony punishable by a maximum of five (5) years in prison and a ten thousand dollar
($10,000) fine.
· Child-caring facilities, day care centers, or any certified family child care home.
· Areas within airport where restricted access is controlled by the inspection of persons or property.
· Any place where the carrying of a firearm is prohibited by federal law
· The owner, business or commercial lessee, or manager of a private business enterprise, day-care
center as defined in KRS 199.894 or certified or licensed family child-care home as defined in KRS
199.8982, or a health-care facility licensed under KRS Chapter 216B, except facilities renting or
leasing housing, may prohibit persons holding concealed deadly weapon licenses from carrying
concealed deadly weapons on the premises and may prohibit employees, not authorized by the
employer, holding concealed deadly weapons licenses from carrying concealed deadly weapons on
the property of the employer. If the building or the premises are open to the public, the employer or
business enterprise shall post signs on or about the premises if carrying concealed weapons is
prohibited.
· Possession of weapons, or ammunition, or both in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal
offense so long as the weapons, or ammunition, or both are not removed from the vehicle or
brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. A private but not a public employer may prohibit
employees or other persons holding a concealed deadly weapons license from carrying concealed
deadly weapons, or ammunition, or both in vehicles owned by the employer, but may not prohibit
employees or other persons holding a concealed deadly weapons license from carrying concealed
deadly weapons, or ammunition, or both in vehicles owned by the employee, except that the Justice
Cabinet may prohibit an employee from carrying any weapons, or ammunition, or both other than the
weapons, or ammunition, or both issued or authorized to be used Page 6 of 11 by the employee of the
cabinet, in a vehicle while transporting persons under the employee's supervision or jurisdiction.
· Carrying of a concealed weapon, or ammunition, or both in a location specified in the above bulleted
Item (In Vehicles) by a license holder shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to
denial from the premises or removal from the premises, and, if an employee of an employer,
disciplinary measures by the employer.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kentucky.pdf
SmarterthanYou
rebel
so that's state law, not local law, right?
why does this look relevant?
Carrying of a concealed weapon, or ammunition, or both in a location specified in the above bulleted
Item (In Vehicles) by a license holder shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to
denial from the premises or removal from the premises, and, if an employee of an employer,
disciplinary measures by the employer.
why does this look relevant?
Carrying of a concealed weapon, or ammunition, or both in a location specified in the above bulleted
Item (In Vehicles) by a license holder shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to
denial from the premises or removal from the premises, and, if an employee of an employer,
disciplinary measures by the employer.
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uscitizen
Villified User
looks like.
· Elementary or secondary school facilities or any other property owned, used, or operated by any
board of education, school, board of trustees, regents, or directors for the administration of any public
or private educational institution. The provisions of this section shall not apply to institutions of
postsecondary or higher education. Note: Unlawful possession of a weapon on school property inKentucky is a felony punishable by a maximum of five (5) years in prison and a ten thousand dollar
($10,000) fine.
It also includes a lot of other places where public meetings would be likely to be held.
· Elementary or secondary school facilities or any other property owned, used, or operated by any
board of education, school, board of trustees, regents, or directors for the administration of any public
or private educational institution. The provisions of this section shall not apply to institutions of
postsecondary or higher education. Note: Unlawful possession of a weapon on school property inKentucky is a felony punishable by a maximum of five (5) years in prison and a ten thousand dollar
($10,000) fine.
It also includes a lot of other places where public meetings would be likely to be held.