Tesla is attracting more and more Republicans. MAGA wets panties.

A new survey shows that Tesla is gaining steam as a brand with Republicans after being a darling of the Democrats for years. In general, Tesla buyers, and electric car buyers, have always been more likely to be Democrat than Republican. Left-leaning individuals are generally more environmentally cautious, though climate change concerns have been gradually gaining ground on the right in the last few years. But EV buyers tending to be more Democrat than Republican is also due to the market incentives. That’s due to blue states like California implementing stronger EV incentives to encourage buying electric vehicles than red states. California is still Tesla’s biggest market in the US, but since the automaker moved its headquarters to Texas, the automaker is making progress with Republicans. A new survey shows an important three-point increase in Republicans considering a Tesla as their next car over just a month (via CNN): Surveys by research firm Morning Consult show that in January about 22% of Democrats were considering buying a Tesla, while 17% of Republicans were looking to purchase one. And that gap has been closing — Republican consideration of buying a Tesla has risen about 3 percentage points just since December’s survey. That’s when it comes to jumping into action and actually planning to buy a car, but even more surprising, Republicans are now more trusting of Tesla as a brand than Democrats: And Republicans are slightly more likely to trust the Tesla brand, 27% compared to 25% among Democrats.

Polls? :palm:

I'm pretty sure that it's the DEMOCRAT regime infesting the Oral Orifice that dislikes Tesla:

Tesla snubbed by Biden's electric vehicle summit

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/05/business/tesla-snub-white-house-event/index.html

Musk is fuming after Biden snubbed Tesla once again during his State of the Union address

https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/biden-elon-musk-tesla-ignored-state-of-union/
 
Hard to see Chevys and Nissans as high end so they wont appeal.

Nisan Leaf starts at $29k, while Chevy Bolt starts at $32k. The average price of a car in 2022 is $47k, so neither would be considered anywhere close to "high end."

Electric cars are simpler designs than ICE cars, so will definitely be coming down in price.

https://www.cars.com/articles/here-are-the-11-cheapest-electric-vehicles-you-can-buy-439849/
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/average-new-car-price-tops-47000/
 
A new survey shows that Tesla is gaining steam as a brand with Republicans after being a darling of the Democrats for years.

In general, Tesla buyers, and electric car buyers, have always been more likely to be Democrat than Republican.

Left-leaning individuals are generally more environmentally cautious, though climate change concerns have been gradually gaining ground on the right in the last few years.

But EV buyers tending to be more Democrat than Republican is also due to the market incentives.

That’s due to blue states like California implementing stronger EV incentives to encourage buying electric vehicles than red states.

California is still Tesla’s biggest market in the US, but since the automaker moved its headquarters to Texas, the automaker is making progress with Republicans.

A new survey shows an important three-point increase in Republicans considering a Tesla as their next car over just a month (via CNN):

Surveys by research firm Morning Consult show that in January about 22% of Democrats were considering buying a Tesla, while 17% of Republicans were looking to purchase one. And that gap has been closing — Republican consideration of buying a Tesla has risen about 3 percentage points just since December’s survey.

That’s when it comes to jumping into action and actually planning to buy a car, but even more surprising, Republicans are now more trusting of Tesla as a brand than Democrats:

And Republicans are slightly more likely to trust the Tesla brand, 27% compared to 25% among Democrats.

What the heck are you blathering about now?

Tesla sold 302,000 Tesla's last year.
Or just 2% of the market share.
https://carsalesbase.com/us-tesla/

Why the fuck should MAGA's be 'wetting their panties' because more Republicans are buying Tesla's?

This is one of the sillier angles to try and insult MAGA's that I have seen yet.

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I'm not opposed to EVs but I think we should use them when we can source all the material in the US and make them 100% American. Also I think we should transition to EV slowly as technology improves their range and charging speed. I dive a diesel truck to pull a 5th wheel trailer. When there is a good electric alternative I'll consider it. Its not uncommon for me to cover 500+ miles in a day so recharge and range would be important.

I agree that EV's have a ways to go.
Especially on the lower, price point range.

But a Ford Lightning F-150 can pull 5 tons for (up to) 300 miles.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/

That is plenty for most people.

And there are EV trucks coming that can tow ANY fifth-wheel you own.
https://www.motor1.com/news/449980/2022-gmc-hummer-ev/


And as for charging?

A Tesla Supercharger can give you 200 miles in only 15 minutes of charge.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging
 
They're full of sh*t. They're not going to gather as much sympathy if they come out and say they're worried about their property values. One could easily respond to them (these NIMBYs aren't all white but many are) that these folks opposing the new student housing are largely well off white people more worried about their property values than they are the opportunity a Cal education gives to many low income P.O.C. for whom a Cal degree could change the trajectory of their family.

If there was a bunch of low income/section 8 housing surrounding campus that they were proposing to tear down to build student housing then maybe they would have an argument. But that's not the case. Berkeley has always had an anti-development attitude so this is nothing new unfortunately.

LOL that's what I figured while reading it, but I wasn't sure...they were very convincing! They really had all their talking points down.
 
What the heck are you blathering about now?

Tesla sold 302,000 Tesla's last year.
Or just 2% of the market share.
https://carsalesbase.com/us-tesla/

Why the fuck should MAGA's be 'wetting their panties' because more Republicans are buying Tesla's?

This is one of the sillier angles to try and insult MAGA's that I have seen yet.

:rolleyes:

You're a fucking moron, McBullshit. A simple Google search proves you're full of shit.

How many Teslas sold 2021?
936,172

These numbers brought Tesla's 2021 full-year deliveries to 936,172 vehicles.Jan 3, 2022
https://www.caranddriver.com › news
Tesla Delivered Almost a Million EVs Worldwide in 2021 - Car and Driver


Haw, haw..........................haw.
 
Nisan Leaf starts at $29k, while Chevy Bolt starts at $32k. The average price of a car in 2022 is $47k, so neither would be considered anywhere close to "high end."

Electric cars are simpler designs than ICE cars, so will definitely be coming down in price.

https://www.cars.com/articles/here-are-the-11-cheapest-electric-vehicles-you-can-buy-439849/
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/average-new-car-price-tops-47000/
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thats my point Walt.

People buy these things as a status symbol and expensive Teslas fit that bill.

Chevys and Nissans are anything but so who wants them ?
 
People buy these things as a status symbol and expensive Teslas fit that bill.

Chevys and Nissans are anything but so who wants them ?

Tesla is basically spread over the second to the top quarter of prices. Not the most expensive cars, but barely anything below the average. The cheapest Tesla is about $45k, where the average price of a car is $47k.

Tesla is developing everything from scratch (unlike other car companies), so is in development hell. If they cannot produce enough cars, they are specializing on more expensive cars.

That being said, when everyone leaves development hell, prices will be quite a bit lower. The basic design of an EV car is much simpler than an ICE car. An ICE car has all sorts of complexity connecting an engine to the wheels, and making a complex engine that mixes fuel and air well. EV cars do have batteries, but other than that are much cheaper to make than ICE cars.
 
Tesla is basically spread over the second to the top quarter of prices. Not the most expensive cars, but barely anything below the average. The cheapest Tesla is about $45k, where the average price of a car is $47k.

Tesla is developing everything from scratch (unlike other car companies), so is in development hell. If they cannot produce enough cars, they are specializing on more expensive cars.

That being said, when everyone leaves development hell, prices will be quite a bit lower. The basic design of an EV car is much simpler than an ICE car. An ICE car has all sorts of complexity connecting an engine to the wheels, and making a complex engine that mixes fuel and air well. EV cars do have batteries, but other than that are much cheaper to make than ICE cars.


Yes they are simpler but they also are more easily broken and when you only have 100 parts (picking a number out of the air) that replacement part is likely to be much more expensive. Opens the car up for sticker shock at the repair shop. That will be a concern for folks of humbler means. Also folks who are generaly locked into the used car market (cant afford new cars) will not be looking at EVs whose batterioes will be shot by tht time they hit the market.

R&D really needs to solve the issue of battery life. If batteries cannot be reinvigorated, they need to find new ones that can. Conceding they have been fiddling with this for 50 year or more I'm not feeling all that hopeful it will happen.
 
Yes they are simpler but they also are more easily broken and when you only have 100 parts (picking a number out of the air) that replacement part is likely to be much more expensive. Opens the car up for sticker shock at the repair shop. That will be a concern for folks of humbler means. Also folks who are generaly locked into the used car market (cant afford new cars) will not be looking at EVs whose batterioes will be shot by tht time they hit the market.

R&D really needs to solve the issue of battery life. If batteries cannot be reinvigorated, they need to find new ones that can. Conceding they have been fiddling with this for 50 year or more I'm not feeling all that hopeful it will happen.

Once again, your research fails you, ColicGuy:

How Long Do Tesla Batteries Last?
Since the Tesla that was blown to bits was nearly ten years old, an EV battery is actually a proven technology. Under current estimates, most EV batteries should last between 10 to 20 years before they need to be replaced. According to Elon Musk, Tesla batteries are designed to last 300k to 500k miles or 21 to 35 years.
Based on the battery and drive unit warranties that come with Tesla vehicles and technological advancements, a Tesla battery will most likely never need to be replaced during the car’s ownership.
Given the steady decline of lithium-ion battery costs, even if a battery replacement is needed in the future after the warranty expires, the price should be much lower than it is today.

Study Confirms Cost Advantage That Tesla, EVs Have Over Gas Cars

“Electric and electrified powertrains have lower maintenance and repair costs than internal combustion engine (ICE) powertrains for all vehicle sizes, relative to vehicle price,” the DOE’s Argonne National Laboratory said (PDF) in a report.
Pure electric vehicles, or BEVs, fared the best.
The reduction in maintenance cost per mile for HEVs, PHEVs, and BEVs as compared to ICEVs were 7%, 11%, and 41%, respectively, the report said.
For example, for items such as engine engine oil and transmission service, BEVs had zero costs because of the inherent difference in the power train.
 
Once again, your research fails you, ColicGuy:

How Long Do Tesla Batteries Last?
Since the Tesla that was blown to bits was nearly ten years old, an EV battery is actually a proven technology. Under current estimates, most EV batteries should last between 10 to 20 years before they need to be replaced. According to Elon Musk, Tesla batteries are designed to last 300k to 500k miles or 21 to 35 years.
Based on the battery and drive unit warranties that come with Tesla vehicles and technological advancements, a Tesla battery will most likely never need to be replaced during the car’s ownership.
Given the steady decline of lithium-ion battery costs, even if a battery replacement is needed in the future after the warranty expires, the price should be much lower than it is today.

Study Confirms Cost Advantage That Tesla, EVs Have Over Gas Cars

“Electric and electrified powertrains have lower maintenance and repair costs than internal combustion engine (ICE) powertrains for all vehicle sizes, relative to vehicle price,” the DOE’s Argonne National Laboratory said (PDF) in a report.
Pure electric vehicles, or BEVs, fared the best.
The reduction in maintenance cost per mile for HEVs, PHEVs, and BEVs as compared to ICEVs were 7%, 11%, and 41%, respectively, the report said.
For example, for items such as engine engine oil and transmission service, BEVs had zero costs because of the inherent difference in the power train.

there claims and there is reality.
people of humble means are typically buying cars 15-20 years old to get the price down.
my car is 18 years old but its a good value as its useful life is much longer and for no more than I drive it its perfect and I saved tens of thousands of dollars on it.
 
there claims and there is reality.
people of humble means are typically buying cars 15-20 years old to get the price down.
my car is 18 years old but its a good value as its useful life is much longer and for no more than I drive it its perfect and I saved tens of thousands of dollars on it.

So you admit that your claims are bullshit. Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

Nice try with the misinformation, though. Tesla sold almost a million cars in 2021. Every major car manufacturer has begun making EV models. The EV revolution has just begun and will continue and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it. Does that make you sad, ColicGuy?

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So you admit that your claims are bullshit. Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

Nice try with the misinformation, though. Tesla sold almost a million cars in 2021. Every major car manufacturer has begun making EV models. The EV revolution has just begun and will continue and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it. Does that make you sad, ColicGuy?

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I'm not a stockholder so I dont care. Its odd that you care so much.
 
Yes they are simpler but they also are more easily broken

In theory, the engine of EV would last longer than the engine of an ICE. There are fewer moving parts, and the parts do not scrape against each other. ICE has many times more intricate parts that have to be tightly fitted, and therefore scraping against each other. Worse still, there is residue left throughout the EV engine, which is very corrosive.

The battery will wear down and be more expensive than a fuel tank, but the engine of a EV would, in theory, be much longer lasting.

and when you only have 100 parts (picking a number out of the air) that replacement part is likely to be much more expensive.

Why? Small intricate parts that need to be a tight fit, and therefore rub against each other will wear down quicker, and be more expensive to replace.

Also folks who are generaly locked into the used car market (cant afford new cars) will not be looking at EVs whose batterioes will be shot by tht time they hit the market.

Batteries being the only part of the EV that generally needs replacing, they are usually easily replaced. There is some sticker shock in replacing them, but that is more than made up for in reduced cost of maintenance for the rest of the car. The current thinking is that EV's will be much cheaper, and longer lasting than ICE cars.

R&D really needs to solve the issue of battery life.

Let's say once every 10 years, you need to replace the battery for $2,000, but there is no other repairs whatsoever. That would make it cheaper than a ICE, where you need to spend money replacing oil, filters, emission checks, spark plugs, and the hundred other things that go wrong. Good luck in spending only $200 a year keeping a ICE car going for 10 years.

And remember, with an EV there is no need to replace oil, oil filters, spark plugs, transmission fluid, and on and on and on. The Tesla does expect you to change the cabin air filter every couple of years.... But that is not that hard core.

It is looking more like 20 years with the new batteries, so that would mean that you would need to get the ICE down to $100 a year... I have owned ICE cars for 30+ years, and can tell you that is just not possible.
 
The reduction in maintenance cost per mile for HEVs, PHEVs, and BEVs as compared to ICEVs were 7%, 11%, and 41%, respectively, the report said.
For example, for items such as engine engine oil and transmission service, BEVs had zero costs because of the inherent difference in the power train.

EVs are just cheaper to maintain, and that is even with limited production. When they are heavily mass produced, with every mechanic working on them, you can probably cut that cost in half again.
 
In theory, the engine of EV would last longer than the engine of an ICE. There are fewer moving parts, and the parts do not scrape against each other. ICE has many times more intricate parts that have to be tightly fitted, and therefore scraping against each other. Worse still, there is residue left throughout the EV engine, which is very corrosive.

The battery will wear down and be more expensive than a fuel tank, but the engine of a EV would, in theory, be much longer lasting.



Why? Small intricate parts that need to be a tight fit, and therefore rub against each other will wear down quicker, and be more expensive to replace.



Batteries being the only part of the EV that generally needs replacing, they are usually easily replaced. There is some sticker shock in replacing them, but that is more than made up for in reduced cost of maintenance for the rest of the car. The current thinking is that EV's will be much cheaper, and longer lasting than ICE cars.



Let's say once every 10 years, you need to replace the battery for $2,000, but there is no other repairs whatsoever. That would make it cheaper than a ICE, where you need to spend money replacing oil, filters, emission checks, spark plugs, and the hundred other things that go wrong. Good luck in spending only $200 a year keeping a ICE car going for 10 years.

And remember, with an EV there is no need to replace oil, oil filters, spark plugs, transmission fluid, and on and on and on. The Tesla does expect you to change the cabin air filter every couple of years.... But that is not that hard core.

It is looking more like 20 years with the new batteries, so that would mean that you would need to get the ICE down to $100 a year... I have owned ICE cars for 30+ years, and can tell you that is just not possible.


people of humble means buy $5000 cars because thats all they can afford (or in my case chose to afford).
unless the prior owner has replaced the battery (and I see no evidence that this can be done for $2000) then the prospective buyer is looking at basically buying two cars, the car itself and $5000 for a battery. That just doesnt make sense.

You buy cheap cars looking to stretch their usable lives to benefit your budget. This is just not doable in an EV. Now perhaps thats why GM and Ford are betting on EV to shorten the shelf life of cars (lets face it, this is a pretty common tactic). But thats bad for America and why I think only high end models have a chance of making it.
 
I'm not a stockholder so I dont care. Its odd that you care so much.

It's not odd considering I own stock in Tesla. And to say you don't care is bullshit based on all your posts on the subject.

You care and it's eating you up inside knowing you'll lose this battle. You lost on Nov. 3rd, you lost on Jan. 6th and you lost today.
You lose so much, you think you'd get tired of losing.

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