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Taichiliberal said:
Here's the fascinating psychosis for our resident corporatist wonks: During the the Shrub's 8 stolen years, all deregulation of corporations and such was justified with the promise that unencumbered, they could and would be the "job creators". Well, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN under the Shrub....and it sure as hell wasn't going to happen under Obama with the GOP and their corporate masters wanting to make him "a 1 term President".

Now if there are no jobs, people go on unemployment and welfare...and our corporatist flunkies bitch about that to various degrees. Meanwhile, corporations recorded "net profits"...thanks to outsourcing at the taxpayers expense, and incorporating all the salaries, pensions and IRA's of their FIRED/DOWN SIZED employees. Of course, as people's unemployment benefits ran out, you had the MSM stupidly report that the economy was doing "better" because the rate of unemployment applications were lowering ... they lowered because a whole lot of people were no longer eligible under the rules of time constraint based on their length of employment. This is why you had "extensions" under Obama and Trump....because Americans with no money DO NOT BUY PRODUCTS.

This is a matter of history, a matter of fact. Yet our corporatist wonks will stupidly repeat their mantras as if jobs, money and businesses are separate, non-interacting entities. :rolleyes:
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Relatively meaningless since Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment even in alleged Right-to-Work States. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is a function of Government not the private sector.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Here's the fascinating psychosis for our resident corporatist wonks: During the the Shrub's 8 stolen years, all deregulation of corporations and such was justified with the promise that unencumbered, they could and would be the "job creators". Well, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN under the Shrub....and it sure as hell wasn't going to happen under Obama with the GOP and their corporate masters wanting to make him "a 1 term President".
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Government does not create jobs (except in government).
Taichiliberal said:
Now if there are no jobs, people go on unemployment and welfare...and our corporatist flunkies bitch about that to various degrees. Meanwhile, corporations recorded "net profits"...thanks to outsourcing at the taxpayers expense, and incorporating all the salaries, pensions and IRA's of their FIRED/DOWN SIZED employees. Of course, as people's unemployment benefits ran out, you had the MSM stupidly report that the economy was doing "better" because the rate of unemployment applications were lowering ... they lowered because a whole lot of people were no longer eligible under the rules of time constraint based on their length of employment. This is why you had "extensions" under Obama and Trump....because Americans with no money DO NOT BUY PRODUCTS.
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Guess they have money then. They are shopping at Walmart, Home Depot, grocery stores, buying fuel, etc.
Taichiliberal said:
This is a matter of history,
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You are not describing history.
Taichiliberal said:
a matter of fact.
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Learn what 'fact' means. It does NOT mean 'proof' or 'Universal Truth'. Buzzword fallacy.
Taichiliberal said:
Yet our corporatist wonks will stupidly repeat their mantras as if jobs, money and businesses are separate, non-interacting entities. :rolleyes:
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They are separate entities. They are related.

Corporations hire people to run them. That's jobs. They will pay market rate for their wages. That's money.
You DO realize, don't you, that there are actually PEOPLE in those Walmart stores running the place?
 
danielpalos said:
Government is social-ism.
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Government is not economy. Socialism is a form of economy, not government.
Every nation has capitalism, fascism, and communism. Some also have slavery (that other form of socialism). Both fascism and communism are forms of socialism. All forms of socialism are theft of wealth. Only capitalism creates wealth.
 
danielpalos said:
Relatively meaningless since Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment
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Capitalism has no unemployment. It is simply businesses and individuals producing products and services voluntarily.
danielpalos said:
even in alleged Right-to-Work States.
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Meaningless. Pivot fallacy.
danielpalos said:
Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment
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It doesn't have one.
danielpalos said:
is a function of Government not the private sector.
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Communism is not capitalism.
 
danielpalos said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Here's the fascinating psychosis for our resident corporatist wonks: During the the Shrub's 8 stolen years, all deregulation of corporations and such was justified with the promise that unencumbered, they could and would be the "job creators". Well, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN under the Shrub....and it sure as hell wasn't going to happen under Obama with the GOP and their corporate masters wanting to make him "a 1 term President".

Now if there are no jobs, people go on unemployment and welfare...and our corporatist flunkies bitch about that to various degrees. Meanwhile, corporations recorded "net profits"...thanks to outsourcing at the taxpayers expense, and incorporating all the salaries, pensions and IRA's of their FIRED/DOWN SIZED employees. Of course, as people's unemployment benefits ran out, you had the MSM stupidly report that the economy was doing "better" because the rate of unemployment applications were lowering ... they lowered because a whole lot of people were no longer eligible under the rules of time constraint based on their length of employment. This is why you had "extensions" under Obama and Trump....because Americans with no money DO NOT BUY PRODUCTS.

This is a matter of history, a matter of fact. Yet our corporatist wonks will stupidly repeat their mantras as if jobs, money and businesses are separate, non-interacting entities. :rolleyes:
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Relatively meaningless since Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment even in alleged Right-to-Work States. Compensation for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is a function of Government not the private sector.
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Try telling the victims of what I previously described that their situation and it's cause is "meaningless". They'd have some choice words for you, and I would suggest you have a fast car at the ready.

The rest of what you say is only partly correct. The private sector in a capitalist state coincides with gov't rules and regulations ... which is why you have lobbyist. When the people do not exercise their ability to control their gov't at any level (local, state, federal) it results in the mess we have today.

Again, to have the private sector do as it pleases without oversight or regulation leads us back to pre Labor Movement and New Deal days. History shows how FUBB that was, which is why you have unemployment insurance existing through taxation.

Look, you want to scrap capitalism, fine. I've got no problem with that SO LONG AS YOU HAVE A DECENT REPLACEMENT that does NOT screw over the working class, allows for level playing field competition and gives everyone an equal shot a representation gov't to meet their needs.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Try telling the victims of what I previously described that their situation and it's cause is "meaningless". They'd have some choice words for you, and I would suggest you have a fast car at the ready.

The rest of what you say is only partly correct. The private sector in a capitalist state coincides with gov't rules and regulations ... which is why you have lobbyist. When the people do not exercise their ability to control their gov't at any level (local, state, federal) it results in the mess we have today.

Again, to have the private sector do as it pleases without oversight or regulation leads us back to pre Labor Movement and New Deal days. History shows how FUBB that was, which is why you have unemployment insurance existing through taxation.

Look, you want to scrap capitalism, fine. I've got no problem with that SO LONG AS YOU HAVE A DECENT REPLACEMENT that does NOT screw over the working class, allows for level playing field competition and gives everyone an equal shot a representation gov't to meet their needs.
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Why do you allege to believe in Capitalism when it seems you only appeal to ignorance of economics?
 
danielpalos said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Try telling the victims of what I previously described that their situation and it's cause is "meaningless". They'd have some choice words for you, and I would suggest you have a fast car at the ready.

The rest of what you say is only partly correct. The private sector in a capitalist state coincides with gov't rules and regulations ... which is why you have lobbyist. When the people do not exercise their ability to control their gov't at any level (local, state, federal) it results in the mess we have today.

Again, to have the private sector do as it pleases without oversight or regulation leads us back to pre Labor Movement and New Deal days. History shows how FUBB that was, which is why you have unemployment insurance existing through taxation.

Look, you want to scrap capitalism, fine. I've got no problem with that SO LONG AS YOU HAVE A DECENT REPLACEMENT that does NOT screw over the working class, allows for level playing field competition and gives everyone an equal shot a representation gov't to meet their needs.
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Why do you allege to believe in Capitalism when it seems you only appeal to ignorance of economics?
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Why don't you stop accusing me of something I didn't say or allude to? Re-read my last paragraph. Also, EXACTLY what is incorrect about my assessment regarding the relationship between private enterprise, the federal gov't and the economy? It's apropos to post #760 of which you agreed with.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Hey!

I am 85...and I post every day in two different fora. Let's ease up on the ageism here on the Internet.
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LOL!!! Fair point... But are the last four generations of your family each separated by 40 years or more? It is possible, but each element is uncommon, and all the elements together are highly unlikely.

It is uncommon for one generation to be separated by 40 years, but certainly not impossible. It is possible for four generations to be separated by 40 years or more, but I stand by the highly unlikely.
 
Walt said:
LOL!!! Fair point... But are the last four generations of your family each separated by 40 years or more? It is possible, but each element is uncommon, and all the elements together are highly unlikely.

It is uncommon for one generation to be separated by 40 years, but certainly not impossible. It is possible for four generations to be separated by 40 years or more, but I stand by the highly unlikely.
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I understand what you are saying...and I think there was a comment made by the original writer about the number of great's used that may impact on it.

I was just going for a bit of humor.

It might be interesting to know this, however:

U.S. president John Tyler was born in 1790, and was elected as vice president on the Whig ticket in 1840 alongside presidential candidate, William Henry Harrison. Tyler became POTUS after Harrison died suddenly of either typhoid or pneumonia only 31 days after taking office. Amazingly his grandson was still living until recently and just passed away on September 26th, 2020.
From Wikipedia
 
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Taichiliberal said:
Why don't you stop accusing me of something I didn't say or allude to? Re-read my last paragraph. Also, EXACTLY what is incorrect about my assessment regarding the relationship between private enterprise, the federal gov't and the economy? It's apropos to post #760 of which you agreed with.
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You seem to be projecting unto others what you seem to believe. Solving simple poverty by solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is capitalism.
 
danielpalos said:
You seem to be projecting unto others what you seem to believe. Solving simple poverty by solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is capitalism.
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Baloney! Since YOU AGREED with post #760, it's illogical that the apropos post would suddenly be incorrect. I'm not "projecting", I am merely pointing out why certain assertions and statements by others DOES NOT logically fit into real world ramifications. Case in point, you solve capitalism's problems by REPLACING aspects of it with SOCIALIST solutions (not communism as our brain dead corporate flunkies confuse the two). Not perfect, but it's a start.....which is why the New Deal and the gains of the Labor Movement are so hated by our resident corporate flunkies.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Baloney! Since YOU AGREED with post #760, it's illogical that the apropos post would suddenly be incorrect. I'm not "projecting", I am merely pointing out why certain assertions and statements by others DOES NOT logically fit into real world ramifications. Case in point, you solve capitalism's problems by REPLACING aspects of it with SOCIALIST solutions (not communism as our brain dead corporate flunkies confuse the two). Not perfect, but it's a start.....which is why the New Deal and the gains of the Labor Movement are so hated by our resident corporate flunkies.
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Government is social-ism and must be used to use Capitalism for all of its economic worth in modern times.
 
danielpalos said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Baloney! Since YOU AGREED with post #760, it's illogical that the apropos post would suddenly be incorrect. I'm not "projecting", I am merely pointing out why certain assertions and statements by others DOES NOT logically fit into real world ramifications. Case in point, you solve capitalism's problems by REPLACING aspects of it with SOCIALIST solutions (not communism as our brain dead corporate flunkies confuse the two). Not perfect, but it's a start.....which is why the New Deal and the gains of the Labor Movement are so hated by our resident corporate flunkies.
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Government is social-ism and must be used to use Capitalism for all of its economic worth in modern times.
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You seem to favor your personal definitions and interpretations over historical and present facts.

People can and have been "governed" by monarchy, feudal systems, dictatorships, oligarchy, socialism, capitalism, communism, democracy, etc. This has happened in world history...it all evolves or is replaced. A matter of history, a matter of fact...which renders what you say a somewhat moot, but partly inaccurate point.
 
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