So, You Want $15 An Hour?

[LV426]

And, you're right, they can't get people to work for that. But paying people more to do it is a poor business decision.

Not if you want a fully staffed business.

Or, you could just pay people like shit and complain that no one wants to work, then impotently threaten your current employees with automation but never follow through on that threat because...reasons. Then your employees get sick of your shit and quit without giving notice, leaving you with NO ONE to do the work.

Now, does that sound like a good business decision? Because that's the one you're advocating.

 

[LV426]

The people who are still cashier's at my local store are going to be out of a job by 2025

Let me ask you this...how come Walmart kept 2 cashiers at your store when they installed 8 kiosks?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Well, if you're not stupid, you're pretty fuckin' ignorant...



Simply not true.

I had an employee worked in my facilities management department. He was a nice enough kid, but he just never really wrapped his head around the job. It's not that he didn't have the aptitude for it, he just didn't like the job. It wasn't what he expected.

What he did have an aptitude for was sales. So, we transferred him to sales & marketing and he's flourished...



You can regurgitate that line as many times as you wish, and you'll continue to be wrong. What I'm telling him is that he cannot be my problem...



Your ignorance shines with the light of a thousand suns. I've never said anything of the sort...



Now you're just an idiot.

I'm supposed to feel bad for the guy who couldn't save money? I don't know how up on military pay you are, but no one gets rich being enlisted in our Armed Forces. It's not like I was swimming in cash. After a 20 year career in the Navy I'd managed to save a whopping $20,000; less than $100 a month, and I started doing that when I was an E-3 making $466 a month. Nowadays I spend that on dinner. But I kept at it and, with few exceptions, I saved money every month.

And I also refuse to accept responsibility for someone who doesn't have the talent to develop a successful business. Truth be told, most people don't. It's hard. You get quite acquainted with every variety of "just add boiling water" noodle meal at the grocery store. It's a commitment which most people simple don't have the stomach for.

And I didn't have an HR Director until I hired my 25th employee, and then she made up the entire HR Department.

You seem to have this stupid notion in your head that says I should be responsible for someone who is of no value to my company and who simply refuses to work. I absolutely reject that. If someone refuses to work for a fair wage then yeah, fuck 'em...

Okay...but the fact is you are saying "Fuck 'em."

It is obvious that if a person doesn't meet your (a more universal "you" than you keep supposing) standards...and he/she cannot be productive...you are willing to see him/her not have enough food, shelter, and the other necessities of life.

That is what I've seen all along...and been saying all along.

You have no fucking humanity...and you can build as many businesses as y ou want and have as many HR Departments as you want...and you will still have no humanity .

You are a scourge.

We are in a world of plenty...more than enough for everyone. But people of your ilk just cannot show enough humanity toward your fellow humans so that no one, regardless of circumstances, does not share in that bounty.

Fine. That is your choice. I'd sooner be circumcised with a chain saw than be like that, but that is your choice.

 

[LV426]

That's not conjecture, that's truth. They have already been told that, unless they get their shit together and make themselves otherwise valuable to the company, that they will be replaced by automation.

LMAO!

It's funny that you think Walmart has the leverage here and that its "automation" is some kind of threat to its workers when Walmart couldn't even get more than 2 cashiers for your local store.

Yeah, they will all probably be automated by 2025 because no one wants to work for Walmart.

So it's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that Walmart threatening automation is even a threat when it's actually more of a confession.

 

[LV426]

I saw evidence of the automation takeover three years ago, before Covid reared its ugly head. I walked into a Hardee's in Charlotte, North Carolina and there was one woman working the counter, and three ordering kiosks. She wouldn't even take your order. You had to order through the kiosk and then she put the order together for you.

So? I bet you that same cashier isn't even working there anymore and hasn't for about three years.

You can't claim the leverage here when your turnover rate is sky-high and your application rate is rock-bottom.

So yeah...go for it...automate those jobs that you can't find workers for anyway.

 

[LV426]

Keep your head in the sand; I don't care. The effect of Covid is actually minimal, simply because it's not what's keeping people from taking jobs and working for a living...

One question...how come Walmart in your area didn't replace all the cashiers with kiosks?

 

[Monad Portal]

I'm not new at this whole "running a business" thing. I've a history of being successful.

And, no, I don't care if you believe that, so don't flatter yourself by believing otherwise.

One thing I've learned over the last 20 years is that it's best to trust your instincts, because they will rarely lead you astray. My instincts are impacted by past experiences, by what I see and read and hear. I take it all in, assess it, in many cases discuss it with members of my leadership team, and then determine what is and isn't worthwhile for me and my company.

What I know is, locally, Wal-Mart cashiers are scheduled to no longer exist. It's already happening. What I know is that fast food restaurants are also adopting the self-serve kiosk in lieu of actual people to take your order. This has two benefits: One, the customer cannot complain if an order is entered incorrectly and, two, those three kiosks are saving Hardee's from paying three hourly cashiers.

If you want to believe that a Mom & Pop souvenir shop is the same business model as Target or Costco or Sam's Club, hey, have at it. I won't try to convince you otherwise. Believe what you want. I've been believing what I want for 20 years and I have two successful business as a result.

That's all I need to know...

...scheduled to no longer exist.......

who does that scheduling?

 

[LV426]

You're clueless.

When I was a kid on Long Island, my aunt and uncle owned a gift shop in a hotel out in the Hamptons. You know what they're employee turnover rate was?

0%. They didn't have one. They were the only employees.

The business models are so different. Costco still opens if two employees don't show up...

See, you just can't help yourself for falling back onto unverifiable personal anecdotes.

This is the third time you've invoked them here...so I gotta ask, why do you keep doing this? Is it because you can't make an argument using empirical evidence or facts I can look at, so you just paper over that deficit with some BS that you say you 'experienced'? Why should I believe you?

And don't say you don't care if I believe you because that's a fucking lie...the only way your argument works is if I believe you.

So if I decide to not accommodate that, how can you make an argument without having to invent BS about yourself that no one can verify?

 

[Street Glider]

Yes, it was 10 years ago...but it's not today.

So again, why did Walmart install 8 kiosks but kept 2 cashiers? Because Walmart could only find two cashiers.

No one wants to work for them.

Well, the ones working there are doing so for less than $15 an hour. They're getting $12 an hour. The fact is that Wal-Mart, as a corporation hasn't raised their starting wage to $15 an hour.

According to the New York Times, as of September 25 of last year the starting wage at Wal-Mart will go from $11 an hour to $12 an hour.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/02/business/walmart-hourly-pay-raise.html

So, had you claimed only once that it was $15 an hour that could be forgiven as a simple mistake. But you've continued to double down on it when, in fact, it's false. That means you're lying in a pathetic attempt to gain ground in an argument for which you are, intellectually, woefully ill-prepared for.

That whooshing sound you hear is what's left of your crumbling credibility sailing out the window...

 

[Street Glider]

See, you just can't help yourself for falling back onto unverifiable personal anecdotes.

This is the third time you've invoked them here...so I gotta ask, why do you keep doing this? Is it because you can't make an argument using empirical evidence or facts I can look at, so you just paper over that deficit with some BS that you say you 'experienced'? Why should I believe you?

And don't say you don't care if I believe you because that's a fucking lie...the only way your argument works is if I believe you.

So if I decide to not accommodate that, how can you make an argument without having to invent BS about yourself that no one can verify?

You whine about me not making an argument with empirical evidence, as if that's somehow inferior to using lies to make an argument like you do.

As I choose not to waste my time to waste on lying scumbags, welcome to the steaming pile of dung that is my ignore list...

 

[Monad Portal]

Well, the ones working there are doing so for less than $15 an hour. They're getting $12 an hour. The fact is that Wal-Mart, as a corporation hasn't raised their starting wage to $15 an hour.

According to the New York Times, as of September 25 of last year the starting wage at Wal-Mart will go from $11 an hour to $12 an hour.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/02/business/walmart-hourly-pay-raise.html

So, had you claimed only once that it was $15 an hour that could be forgiven as a simple mistake. But you've continued to double down on it when, in fact, it's false. That means you're lying in a pathetic attempt to gain ground in an argument for which you are, intellectually, woefully ill-prepared for.

That whooshing sound you hear is what's left of your crumbling credibility sailing out the window...

Right. walmart advises people to go get food stamps.

walmart is externalizing costs onto the taxpayer already via government.

That's fascism..

 

[Street Glider]

...scheduled to no longer exist.......

who does that scheduling?

Safe bet that would be someone in the Wal-Mart organization.

And I should've been more clear: the positions will no longer exist...

 

[LV426]

I'm not new at this whole "running a business" thing. I've a history of being successful..

This is the fifth time you've invoked unverifiable personal anecdotes as a crutch in a debate where you are completely outclassed at every turn.

I simply don't believe you when you say this because you will never verify it.

So you're lending yourself credibility because you can't make a credible argument along the facts or empirical evidence.

You're just typical and boring, and you're deliberately avoiding the point that Walmart didn't bring in those 8 kiosks because its workers are greedy, they brought in those kiosks because they can't get anyone to apply to be a cashier.

Do you...do you think the current labor market favors shitty businesses like Walmart? Have you not been paying attention????

If you want to believe that a Mom & Pop souvenir shop is the same business model as Target or Costco or Sam's Club, hey, have at it. I won't try to convince you otherwise. Believe what you want. I've been believing what I want for 20 years and I have two successful business as a result.

I don't believe you have ever run a successful business. I believe you've run several failed businesses, but no way in hell have you ever competently run a business.

It's just impossible and improbable.

 

[Street Glider]

This is the fifth time you've invoked unverifiable personal anecdotes as a crutch in a debate where you are completely outclassed at every turn.

I simply don't believe you when you say this because you will never verify it.

So you're lending yourself credibility because you can't make a credible argument along the facts or empirical evidence.

You're just typical and boring, and you're deliberately avoiding the point that Walmart didn't bring in those 8 kiosks because its workers are greedy, they brought in those kiosks because they can't get anyone to apply to be a cashier.

Do you...do you think the current labor market favors shitty businesses like Walmart? Have you not been paying attention????




I don't believe you have ever run a successful business. I believe you've run several failed businesses, but no way in hell have you ever competently run a business.

It's just impossible and improbable.

You are such an ignorant little fool.

So fuck off...

 

[LV426]

Okay...but the fact is you are saying "Fuck 'em."

It is obvious that if a person doesn't meet your (a more universal "you" than you keep supposing) standards...and he/she cannot be productive...you are willing to see him/her not have enough food, shelter, and the other necessities of life.

That is what I've seen all along...and been saying all along.

You have no fucking humanity...and you can build as many businesses as y ou want and have as many HR Departments as you want...and you will still have no humanity .

You are a scourge.

We are in a world of plenty...more than enough for everyone. But people of your ilk just cannot show enough humanity toward your fellow humans so that no one, regardless of circumstances, does not share in that bounty.

Fine. That is your choice. I'd sooner be circumcised with a chain saw than be like that, but that is your choice.

He's not clever enough to be a scourge....he's a fuckin' phony baloney.

I can smell the BS coming off every single one of his posts.

 

[Street Glider]

Right. walmart advises people to go get food stamps.

walmart is externalizing costs onto the taxpayer already via government.

That's fascism..

And what does that have to do with the point I was making?

 

[LV426]

Well, the ones working there are doing so for less than $15 an hour.

If they're still staying there, which many aren't because they're quitting en masse...as they have the last two years of this pandemic.

At least 50M people quit their jobs during the pandemic, and all of them got new jobs...not at Walmart.

So Walmart is confessing that they are installing kiosks because their preferred method of employment (humans) isn't something they are willing to accommodate, and the labor market is so tight that they probably aren't getting ANY human applicants.

That's why they didn't replace the two cashiers at your local store...they want actual people manning the registers, but can't find enough willing to work for them.

So this isn't a wage issue, this is a labor market issue....and it's not even a labor market issue for workers.

 

[Monad Portal]

The people arguing around me are two globalists trying to flood the zone. They're probably both legion.

 

[Monad Portal]

And what does that have to do with the point I was making?

I said this next.

 

[LV426]

According to the New York Times, as of September 25 of last year the starting wage at Wal-Mart will go from $11 an hour to $12 an hour.

And yet, Walmart still can't manage to get applicants which is why they are turning to kiosks.

I don't know why you're trying to frame Walmart's staffing failures on worker demands when they can't seem to retain a workforce.

Walmart's turnover rate is 44%...which is SHIT.

No wonder they're turning to kiosks...no one wants to work for them, and those that do fuckin' hate it.

So, had you claimed only once that it was $15 an hour that could be forgiven as a simple mistake.

It is at Sam's Club, so you're now trying to find an escape hatch by deliberately misrepresenting what I said earlier.

What a fucking loser.

That whooshing sound you hear is what's left of your crumbling credibility sailing out the window...

HA! I can tell that my attack on your personal, unverifiable anecdotes landed sharply because you're now trying to project your lack of credibility onto me.

But we can both go back and look at the thread and see that I said it was Sam's Club that was paying $15/hr.

Nice try, loser.