67 degrees in Alaska? Climate change continues to topple temperature records

I simply referred to one data point to illustrate the absurdity of your argument. Let's try another;
A fool would think that an incoming giant asteroid was not proof of the threat of other giant asteroids. Volcanoes, asteroids, ' single data points ' that contribute to the overall data.

Again, not the same thing at all. A single temperature reading on a single day at a single moment in time--which is what you are citing-- is meaningless to what the climate of the friggin' planet is doing.

A single large asteroid that impacted the planet would have widespread and lasting consequences. A volcano that erupts affects weather over vast areas, and has an impact over thousands, even millions, of square miles in many case and can continue to have that affect for months, even years.

You learn nothing about global climate change taking a thermometer out in your back yard and measuring the temperature there.
 
On Sunday, the temperature in Kodiak, Alaska, hit 67 degrees Fahrenheit, setting a December record-high for a state that has become used to them as climate change continues to rewrite history.

The temperature readings in Kodiak did not merely edge out some previous record by a degree or two; the 65 degrees reported at the airport was 20 degrees higher than the previous high temperature record of 45 degrees set on Dec. 26, 1984, the National Weather Service reported.

According to the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, Alaska is warming faster than any other U.S. state and twice as quickly as the global average since the middle of the 20th century.


https://news.yahoo.com/67-degrees-i...-to-topple-temperature-records-193405514.html


hard to believe Trumpists keep denying the obvious, heads firmly planted up their asses, clueless to the end

they aren't denying it exist dumbshit, they are denying it started recently, it has been going since before the first fossil fuel was burned
 
Are you referring to the Industrial Revolution?
Not particularly. Do you know when areas had their climates reclassified? I mean climate changes so slowly at what point does one reclassify the climate of a region? E.g., when exactly do you reclassify north Africa as desert from when it was a forest?
 
Not particularly. Do you know when areas had their climates reclassified? I mean climate changes so slowly at what point does one reclassify the climate of a region? E.g., when exactly do you reclassify north Africa as desert from when it was a forest?

I told you I do not know. 200 years is too short to know.
 
Are you suggesting that last Sunday's phenomenal Alaskan temperatures aren't relevant by Wednesday ?


scientists fear the population will be deluged with rain as climate warms.
Nothing to fear really. Kodiak has always been a rainy place. Noting like Ketchikan, AK though. It's not like they're going to die from a lot of rain. Ketchikan was a great place to live!
 
So why can't you find where the climate of any particular region of the world has had their climate reclassified in the last couple of hundred years?

It is not about what I can or can't. The discussion about the climate change started after the Industrial Revolution. I suggest that you study more about it.
 
So why can't you find where the climate of any particular region of the world has had their climate reclassified in the last couple of hundred years?

I will give you a start to research and study.

Since the start of the Industrial Revolution in about 1750, human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels, including coal and oil, have dramatically increased the concentration of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. As a result, the rate of heat-loss from the Earth has slowed, creating a warming effect. More than 85 per cent of the additional heat in our atmosphere is absorbed by the oceans.

https://climatechange.environment.nsw.gov.au/About-climate-change-in-NSW/Causes-of-climate-change
 
I suggest that you study more about it.

that's never going to happen

every right wing kook will always be a right wing kook............still can't figure out if this shit is genetic or environmental, maybe both

the die has been cast, no factual evidence or scientific proof needed
 
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Meanwhile Reagan's Gobshite is unaware what's happening in his own state, you just can't make it up.

CALIFORNIA’S SNOWIEST DECEMBER ON RECORD (17 FEET)

Sierra snowpack accounts for 30 percent of the fresh water across the entire state of California, and the pack is currently at unprecedented levels for the month of December.

“We have gotten incredible amounts of snow over the last couple of weeks,” said CNN meteorologist Jennifer Gray.

As of December 27, statewide snowpack was standing at 153% of the average to date, and 50 percent of what is expected by April 1 (the end of the snow season).

“We have actual set records,” said Gray. “This has been the snowiest December on record.”

According to the latest data compiled by UC Berkeley Central Sierra Snow Lab, this month’s snowpack now stands at over 202 inches (nearly 17 feet / 5.2 meters), accumulations that comfortably best the prior all-time record of 179 inches set back in the December of 1970.

Berkeley researchers said the snow was “deep and hard to get through,” and it took them 40 minutes to get to where the measurements are taken just 150 feet away from the lab’s front door.

 
LOL. Nice word, Both of us should heed to that advice,

You could also do yourself a favour and read this excellent presentation by Prof. Richard Lindzen to the Clintel Foundation.

The Imaginary Climate Crisis – How can we Change the Message?
Richard S. Lindzen, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, MIT

For about 33 years, many of us have been battling against climate hysteria. We have correctly noted

•The exaggerated sensitivity,
•The role of other processes and natural internal variability,
•The inconsistency with the paleoclimate record,
•The absence of evidence for increased extremes, hurricanes, etc. and so on.

We have also pointed out the very real benefits of CO2 and even of modest warming. And, as concerns government policies, we have been pretty ineffective. Indeed our efforts have done little other than to show (incorrectly) that we take the threat scenario seriously. In this talk, I want to make a tentative analysis of our failure.

In punching away at the clear shortcomings of the narrative of climate alarm, we have, perhaps, missed the most serious shortcoming: namely, that the whole narrative is pretty absurd. Of course, many people (though by no means all) have great difficulty entertaining this possibility. They can’t believe that something so absurd could gain such universal acceptance. Consider the following situation. Your physician declares that your complete physical will consist in simply taking your temperature. This would immediately suggest something wrong with your physician. He further claims that if your temperature is 37.3C rather than between 36.1C and 37.2C you must be put on life support. Now you know he is certifiably insane. The same situation for climate (a comparably complex system with a much more poorly defined index, globally averaged temperature anomaly) is considered ‘settled science.’

In case you are wondering why this index is remarkably poor. I suspect that many people believe that there is an instrument that measures the Earth’s temperature. As most of you know, that is not how the record was obtained.

Obviously, the concept of an average surface temperature is meaningless. One can’t very well average the Dead Sea with Mt. Everest. Instead, one takes 30 year annual or seasonal means at each station and averages the deviations from these averages. The results are referred to as annual or seasonal mean anomalies. In the following figures, we see the station data in black and the mean anomalies in orange. The spread of anomalies is much larger than the rather small range of change seen in the average. While the average does show a trend, most of the time there are almost as many stations cooling as there are stations warming. The figure you are familiar with omits the data points, expands the scale by about an order of magnitude (and usually smooths the curve as well). The total change in the mean is much smaller than what we experience over a day, a week or over any longer period. This is illustrated in the fourth figure. The residue we refer to as the index is pretty negligible. It may not even be a good measure of climate at all. Instead of emphasizing this, we look for problems at individual stations. This, I would suggest, is somewhat myopic.

The fluctuations show why changes of +/- 0.2 are meaningless.

The thickness of the black line represents the total change in global mean anomaly over the past 120 years. Although this change was accompanied by the greatest increase in human welfare in history, we told that its increase by about 30% will represent doom.

If this weren’t silly enough, we are bombarded with claims that the impacts of this climate change include such things as obesity and the Syrian civil war. The claims of impacts are then circularly claimed to be overwhelming evidence of dangerous climate change. It doesn’t matter that most of these claims are wrong and/or irrelevant. It doesn’t matter that none of these claims can be related to CO2 except via model projections. In almost all cases, even the model projections are non-existent. Somehow, the sheer volume of misinformation seems to overwhelm us. In case, you retain any skepticism, there is John Kerry’s claim that climate (unlike physics and chemistry) is simple enough for any child to understand. Presumably, if you can’t see the existential danger of CO2, you’re a stupid denier.

And, in case this situation isn’t sufficiently bizarre, there is the governmental response. It is entirely analogous to a situation that a colleague, Bruce Everett, described. After your physical, your physician tells you that you may have a fatal disease. He’s not really sure, but he proposes a treatment that will be expensive and painful while offering no prospect of preventing the disease. When you ask why you would ever agree to such a thing, he says he just feels obligated to “do something”. That is precisely what the Paris Accord amounts to. However, the ‘something’ also gives governments the power to control the energy sector and this is something many governments cannot resist. Information is unlikely to change this despite the fact that even the UN’s IPCC acknowledges that their warming claims would only reduce the immensely expanded GDP by about 2-3% by the end of the century – something that is trivially manageable and hardly ‘existential.’

In trying to understand the success of this claim that climate change due to CO2 is an existential threat, I propose to look at an analogous scare: the widespread fear in the US in the early 20th Century of an epidemic of feeblemindedness. I will also return to C.P. Snow’s two-culture description in order to see why the alarmist scenario appeals primarily to the so-called educated elite rather than to the common people.

Over twenty five years ago, I wrote a paper comparing the panic in the US in the early 1920’s over an alleged epidemic of feeblemindedness with the current fear of cataclysmic climate change. ((1996) Science and politics: global warming and eugenics. in Risks, Costs, and Lives Saved, R. Hahn, editor, Oxford University Press, New York, 267pp (Chapter 5, 85-103))

During this early period, the counterpart of Environmentalism was Eugenics. Instead of climate physics as the underlying science, we had genetics. And instead of overturning the energy economy, we had immigration restriction. Both advocacy movements were characteristically concerned with purity: environmentalism with the purity of the environment, eugenics with the purity of the gene pool. Interestingly, Eugenics did not start with a focus on genes. It was started around 1880 by biometricians who used statistical analysis to study human evolution. Among them were some of the founders of modern statistics like Pearson and Fisher. Given the mathematically sophisticated origin of the movement, it should come as no surprise that it didn’t really catch on. It only became popular and fashionable when Mendelian genetics was rediscovered around 1900, and things like feeble mindedness were suggested to be associated with a single recessive gene. It is pretty clear that such movements need an easily understood, allegedly scientific but actually pretty absurd narrative. The people needing such narratives are not the ordinary citizen, but rather our educated elites. Prominent supporters of eugenics included Theodore Roosevelt, Margaret Sanger, the racist founder of Planned Parenthood, the Bishop of Ripon, George Bernard Shaw, Havelock Ellis, and many others. The supporters also included technically adept individuals who were not expert in genetics. Alexander Graham Bell for example. They also need a policy goal. In the early 1920’s, Americans became concerned with immigration, and it was argued that America was threatened with an epidemic of feeblemindedness due allegedly to immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe.

Details of this situation are in my paper which you can request by email. The major takeaway points are the following:

Elites are always searching for ways to advertise their virtue and assert the authority they believe they are entitled to.

They view science as a source of authority rather than a process, and they try to appropriate science, suitably and incorrectly simplified, as the basis for their movement.

Movements need goals, and these goals are generally embedded in legislation.

The effect of legislation long outlasts the alleged science. The Immigration Reduction Act of 1924 remained until 1964.

As long as scientists are rewarded for doing so, they are unlikely to oppose the exploitation of science.
In the case of eugenics, government funding was not at issue, but private funding did play a role, and for many scientists, there was the public recognition of their relevance.

For example, Jennings, a professor of genetics at Johns Hopkins University, in his 1930 book, The Biological Basis of Human Nature states: “Gone are the days when the biologist … used to be pictured in the public prints as an absurd creature, his pockets bulging with snakes and newts. … The world … is to be operated on scientific principles. The conduct of life and society are to be based, as they should be, on sound biological maxims! … Biology has become popular!” Privately, Jennings opposed the political exploitation of genetics.

C.P. Snow’s discussion in 1959 of the two cultures suggests why it is the educated elite that is most vulnerable to the absurd narrative. Snow was an English physicist, novelist, government advisor.

Here is his description of the non-scientific educated elite.

“A good many times I have been present at gatherings of people who, by the standards of the traditional culture, are thought highly educated and who have with considerable gusto been expressing their incredulity at the illiteracy of scientists.

Once or twice I have been provoked and have asked the company how many of them could describe the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The response was cold: it was also negative. Yet I was asking something which is the scientific equivalent of: Have you read a work of Shakespeare’s?

I now believe that if I had asked an even simpler question – such as, What do you mean by mass, or acceleration, which is the scientific equivalent of saying, Can you read? – not more than one in ten of the highly educated would have felt that I was speaking the same language. So the great edifice of modern physics goes up, and the majority of the cleverest people in the western world have about as much insight into it as their Neolithic ancestors would have had.”

https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/the-imaginary-climate-crisis-how-can-we-change-the-message/
 
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Fox lied you to war in Iraq

Fox told you the economy was fine right up to the day it crashed in 2008

Fox told you GW isn’t real even though all of science confirmed it

You have one station of so called news

And you don’t mind that they always turn up to be completely wrong

THE OP ARTICLE IS FROM YAHOO ... kinda blows your entire post away ....
 
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