"Best Healthcare System in the World!"

ib1yysguy

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For all you idiots who think we're fine with our current system or support Republicans who have proffered NO alternatives to Obama's plan, look at these:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111039701

If our system was acceptable, would we really see thousands of people showing up from 16 different states and camping out to participate in a single day of free health services at some fairgrounds in VA?

Seriously look at these pictures and think for a second. This is the scope of the problem.
 
Let me be specific. We will stop insurance companies from denying you coverage because of your medical history.

Many of you have been denied insurance or heard of someone who was denied insurance because they had a preexisting condition. That will no longer be allowed with reform. We won't allow that.

With reform, insurance companies will have to abide by a yearly cap on how much you can be charged for your out-of-pocket expenses. No one in America should go broke because of an illness.

We will require insurance companies to cover routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies, eye and foot exams for diabetics, so we can avoid chronic illnesses that cost not only lives, but money.

No longer will insurance companies be allowed to drop or water down coverage for someone who's become seriously ill. That's not right, it's not fair.

We will stop insurance companies from placing arbitrary caps on the coverage you can receive in a given year or in a lifetime.

So my point is, whether or not you have health insurance right now, the reforms we seek will bring stability and security that you don't have today, reforms that will become more urgent and more urgent with each passing year.

So, in the end, the debate about reform boils down to a choice between two approaches. The first is projected to double your health care costs over the next decade, make millions more Americans uninsured, bankrupt state and federal governments, and allow insurance companies to run roughshod over consumers. That's one option. That's called the status quo. That's what we have right now.

I want everybody to understand this. If we do nothing, I can almost guarantee you your premiums will double over the next 10 years because that's what they did over the last 10 years.

It will go up three times faster than your wages, so a bigger and bigger chunk of your paycheck will be going into health insurance. It will eat into the possibility of you getting a raise on your job because your employer is going to be looking and saying, I can't afford to give you a raise because my health care costs just went up 10, 20, 30 percent.

Medicare, which seniors rely on, is going to become more and more vulnerable. On current projections, Medicare will be in the red in less than 10 years.

So that's the status quo. When everybody goes around saying, "why is Obama taking on health care?" that's the answer.

That's one option. I don't like that option. You shouldn't either. That plan doesn't sound too good.

That's the health care system we have right now.
 
we have the best healthcare in the world. Why do heads of other states come here for surgery?
Obama's projections are not better than the ones that were tenfold to low on medicare and medicaid.
 
we have the best healthcare in the world.

Why do heads of other states come here for surgery?
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Because we have probably some of the best medical technology and specialists.

Rich people will always go to where top dollar can purchase unfettered access to top specialists.

that's not the issue Toppy.

We have some of the worst healthcare access in the developed world. And the people who do have routine healthcare access, are paying far more for it than citizens of other developed nations. Which means we have the worst cost efficiency in the developed world. If you didn't understand this before, hopefully you do now.
 
Because we have probably some of the best medical technology and specialists.

Rich people will always go to where top dollar can purchase unfettered access to top specialists.

that's not the issue Toppy.

We have some of the worst healthcare access in the developed world. And the people who do have routine healthcare access, are paying far more for it than citizens of other developed nations. Which means we have the worst cost efficiency in the developed world. If you didn't understand this before, hopefully you do now.

No it doesn't, if you are paying higher premiums for way better health coverage it's a fair deal.
Dems need to stop with the 40 mm unisured 2/3 of those don't want it.
 
For all you idiots who think we're fine with our current system or support Republicans who have proffered NO alternatives to Obama's plan, look at these:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111039701

If our system was acceptable, would we really see thousands of people showing up from 16 different states and camping out to participate in a single day of free health services at some fairgrounds in VA?

Seriously look at these pictures and think for a second. This is the scope of the problem.

What logic....

If you were giving away free air for wheelbarrow tires we'd still see thousands of people showing up from 16 different states and camping out to participate in this free giveaway at some fairgrounds in VA....

and all of them, no doubt, liberal Dem. pinheads:pke:
 
The United States of America spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, but all other industrialized countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.

Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France. Total US health care spending represented 17 percent of the US gross domestic product.

In 2008, total health care expenditures in the US rose 6.9 percent. That's twice the rate of inflation.

Total spending was $2.4 trillion in 2007, or $7900 per person. Health care spending in America is 4.3 times the amount spent on national defense.

In 2008, employer health insurance premiums in the USA increased by an average 5.0 percent. Because many employers are shifting health care costs to employees, America’s workers struggle to pay higher premiums, growing deductibles and rising co-payments, if they can get coverage at all. The annual premium for an employer health plan covering a family of four averaged nearly $12,700. The annual premium for single coverage averages over $4,700.

The primary reason people in America are uninsured is the high cost of health insurance coverage.

47 million US residents have no health insurance, and the numbers keep growing.
Of the 47 million without health insurance, 8.7 million are children.
 
we have the best healthcare in the world. Why do heads of other states come here for surgery?
Obama's projections are not better than the ones that were tenfold to low on medicare and medicaid.

It's like just about everything else here: there's one for the haves, and one for the have nots.

I actually don't have a problem with the haves getting better care, because that's one of the reasons you work to earn good money. But I'd like to see the have nots get a little closer to that, and at least get an acceptable level of care when they need it.
 
you know, this is the second time I have seen this clinic used to promote Obama's health program.....but you see, there's a problem with that....this clinic is put on by Remote Area Medical.....RAM has a very specific focus....from their website....

The primary purpose of the Rural AMerica Program is to provide vision and dental care for underserved areas of the US.

also...
By the nature of RAM's customary expeditions in the US, medical services are usually limited to routine medical screenings, such as Pap smears and mammograms.

http://www.ramusa.org/index.html
so, when you talk about needing the Obama health plan because all these people are showing up for the RAM clinic in Virginia, tell me this....does the Obama plan even cover dental and vision?.....
 
you know, this is the second time I have seen this clinic used to promote Obama's health program.....but you see, there's a problem with that....this clinic is put on by Remote Area Medical.....RAM has a very specific focus....from their website....



also...


http://www.ramusa.org/index.html
so, when you talk about needing the Obama health plan because all these people are showing up for the RAM clinic in Virginia, tell me this....does the Obama plan even cover dental and vision?.....



Would the Republicans vote for it if it did?
 
Republicans are using the weapons with which they are most familiar, lies and fearmongering.

They’ve started a fear campaign that spreads the lie that President Obama wants to cut Medicare benefits so the government can pay for abortions.

Righwing talk show hosts are striking fear in the elderly by turning a simple living will into the fear that the government intends to promote forced euthanasia to cut health care costs.

Of course these are all pure lies and distorted facts designed to scaring a group of citizens who spend hour upon hour absorbing rightwingnut media propaganda.
 
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