It looks like the jury is giving it thought.

[Jarod]

A quick verdict would have been bad news for the Prosecution, at least they are giving it serious consideration. Three hours in.

 

[BidenPresident]

A quick verdict would have been bad news for the Prosecution, at least they are giving it serious consideration. Three hours in.

First degree murder.

 

[Jarod]

First degree murder.

Possible, but I would be surprised.

 

[Jarod]

Honestly, I was afraid of a 10 minute not guilty.

 

[Jarod]

For two more days the chance of not guilty goes down every minute, then you risk a hung jury.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Honestly, I was afraid of a 10 minute not guilty.

Ditto. I never did catch whether the judge ruled that the jury could consider lesser charges. Do you know if he did? I heard that he did allow the provocation argument by the prosecution.

 

[BidenPresident]

Possible, but I would be surprised.

I suspect what ever the verdict, no one will be happy.

 

[Jarod]

Ditto. I never did catch whether the judge ruled that the jury could consider lesser charges. Do you know if he did? I heard that he did allow the provocation argument by the prosecution.

He agreed to allow the leasers. That increases the chance of a conviction significantly but decreases the chance of 1st degree murder.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

if they go for the provocation argument just because he was carrying a weapon, that gets overturned on appeal quickly

 

[Nordberg]

First degree was never possible, even though he went there with malice in mind.

 

[Jarod]

if they go for the provocation argument just because he was carrying a weapon, that gets overturned on appeal quickly

I doubt we will ever know why they went for provocation, if they go for provocation.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

if they go for the provocation argument just because he was carrying a weapon, that gets overturned on appeal quickly

It's more than just carrying a weapon; the drone footage shows him repeatedly pointing it at the demonstrators. Isn't it interesting to you that of all the knuckledragging gun-humpers who showed up to play vigilante that night, only the weak little weiner was chased down?

 

[Jarod]

First degree was never possible, even though he went there with malice in mind.

Sure, it was always possible. It’s still possible, Just unlikely.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I doubt we will ever know why they went for provocation, if they went for provocation.

Because provocation negates the self-defense argument.

 

[Jarod]

Because provocation negates the self-defense argument.

Yes, You are not allowed to Taunt someone into attacking you, then use self-defense when you kill them.

 

[redfish]

acquittal on all counts. Self defense is not a crime, it is a right. Any other verdict is political and driven by the jury fearing for their lives.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It's more than just carrying a weapon; the drone footage shows him repeatedly pointing it at the demonstrators. Isn't it interesting to you that of all the knuckledragging gun-humpers who showed up to play vigilante that night, only the weak little weiner was chased down?

not interesting at all. cowards love mob violence against the perceived weak........guess kyle showed them they were wrong

 

[redfish]

Because provocation negates the self-defense argument.

Kyle did not "provoke" anyone. He was attacked by criminals with records and he defended himself as the constitutions allows.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Because provocation negates the self-defense argument.

like rosenbaum with his crazy threats to kill? or skateboard dude trying to crack kyles skull? or grosskreutz pointing a handgun at kyle?

 

[Jarod]

Kyle did not "provoke" anyone. He was attacked by criminals with records and he defended himself as the constitutions allows.

You would be doing your self a favor if you learned to see the gray area.