bho's birth certificate revisited

To those who believe, no proof is necessary, to those those who don't believe, no proof is sufficient.
 
DNC said:
To those who believe, no proof is necessary, to those those who don't believe, no proof is sufficient.
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Exactly. If the document they're whining about shows the same thing as the Certificate of Life Birth, they'd demand carbon dating to "prove" it wasn't faked via chemicals, editing and copying.
 
You just can't stand the fact that the voters elected a Black man, can you?
 
I also campaigned for this guy when he was a City Councilor, and donated over a grand to his 2006 Congressional Campaign. *shrug*

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Taichiliberal said:
Try this, http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/07/wingnut-birthers-have-no-case-against-obama.html
After you read it, compare it to the link of what yurt stated and what he sourced to back up his statements. Then we can talk. Let me know if the link works this time.
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Thanks...thats a good link...NOW,


Excerpt from Yurts link....
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/martin.obama.birth/index.html

For example, in August, 2008, factcheck.org published the following: "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false."
Yurts contention: ...it is absolutely false that factcheck.org looked, touched and photographed the "original".
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Excerpt from TC's link....
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/07/wingnut-birthers-have-no-case-against-obama.html

the Obama camp took the ranting seriously enough that they contacted the state of Hawaii in the early months of the campaign to obtain a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate. The state promptly complied. The Certification of Live Birth that arrived included all of the information required by the U.S. Department of State to confirm citizenship, including the baby’s full name (Barack Hussein Obama II), the parents’ full names (Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham), the date and place of birth (August 4, 1961, in Honolulu), the sex (male), and the date the birth record was filed (August 8, 1961). It also had a raised state seal and was stamped on the back with the words, “I certify that this is a true copy or abstract of the record on the file in the Hawaii State Department of Health.”
...........The campaign first posted a scanned copy of the document on the Internet the following year, on June 13, 2008. And if they had any illusions that mere facts would quiet the crazies, they were quickly disabused of that quaint notion. The facts actually added fuel to the fire, even as they were verified by independent third parties. The widely respected website, FactCheck.org sent representatives to Chicago to see, touch, and photograph the actual document.
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So all the misunderstanding is over mis-characterizing what is said....

Yurt claims that "factcheck did not look at, touch and photographed the "original"???
factcheck looked at, touched and photographed the "original" copy of actual document . The original document has never left Hawaii and was never in Chicago....

Big hulabalu over nothing....Yurt is correct is his limited contention.....the document factcheck saw was a copy of the original....not in fact a "Birth Certificate", but a copy of the "Certification of Live Birth".........
which is probably the same thing for all practical purposes....

Sorry TC...reading comprehension is a must here.....
 
Southern Man said:
Nice staw man but the distinction is with long form "certified birth certificate" v short form "certificate of live birth".
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I used the terms that the Hawaii Dept. of Home Lands used, but no matter what you call the documents, the salient facts are the same on each. The long form has the baby's vital statistics and a doctor's signature, which is fine for the hospital record but really not necessary for the government one.

They point to a policy from the Hawaii Department of Home Lands, which stated on its Web site:

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
 
christiefan915 said:
I used the terms that the Hawaii Dept. of Home Lands used, but no matter what you call the documents, the salient facts are the same on each. The long form has the baby's vital statistics and a doctor's signature, which is fine for the hospital record but really not necessary for the government one.

They point to a policy from the Hawaii Department of Home Lands, which stated on its Web site:

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
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What Obama has is not the same as a Certified Birth Certificate. Additionally, the COLB does not appear to meet the Certified Birth Certificate requirements to obtain a US passport:

A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
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http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html
 
Just emailed to me:

FROM THE DESK OF Gary G. Kreep
Barack Hussein Obama's "birthday" is coming up in just two weeks -- on August 4th... so we have a special birthday surprise planned for him, and I would like YOU to take part.

FAX All 50 State Attorneys General To
Investigate Obama's Birthday FRAUD:
https://secure.conservativedonations.com/usjf_faxag/?a=2756
According to published reports, Barack Obama's legal team has been paid over one million dollars, so far, to STOP anyone from seeing ANY of his actual identification documents, or many other documents:

* Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form document that is not even officially accepted in Hawaii)
* Passport files
* University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
* Harvard Law Review articles
* Harvard Law School records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia University senior thesis, "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"
* Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
* Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school
* Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register -- but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country)
* Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
* Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* Baptism records
* Obama/Dunham marriage license
* Obama/Dunham divorce documents
* Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
* Soetero/Dunham Adoption records

By the way, the issue of the Occidental College records is especially pertinent. The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) served officials at Occidental College with a subpoena to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980's, because those records could document whether he was attending as a foreign national. You see, Mr. Obama attended the school on a scholarship -- and there are questions as to whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. The Obama attorneys have bent over backward to block us. He doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's STILL trying to hide them; those financial records STILL have not been released.

WHAT is Barack Obama trying to hide? WHAT is he afraid of? WHY doesn't he just release these documents to prove that he is a natural-born citizen and, therefore, qualified to serve as President -- especially his actual birth certificate?

Isn't it time we FORCED him to come clean? His "birthday" is the PERFECT time to do it!
 
christiefan915 said:
The site doesn't explain the limitations of the abstract so it's hard to comment. Personally, I used the PA short form to get my passport with no problems.
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According to Gary G. Kreep, the COLB from HI is not even acceptable to HI to obtain a driver's license. *shrug*
 
bravo said:
Thanks...thats a good link...NOW,


Excerpt from Yurts link....
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/martin.obama.birth/index.html

For example, in August, 2008, factcheck.org published the following: "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false."
Yurts contention: ...it is absolutely false that factcheck.org looked, touched and photographed the "original".
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Excerpt from TC's link....
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/07/wingnut-birthers-have-no-case-against-obama.html

the Obama camp took the ranting seriously enough that they contacted the state of Hawaii in the early months of the campaign to obtain a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate. The state promptly complied. The Certification of Live Birth that arrived included all of the information required by the U.S. Department of State to confirm citizenship, including the baby’s full name (Barack Hussein Obama II), the parents’ full names (Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham), the date and place of birth (August 4, 1961, in Honolulu), the sex (male), and the date the birth record was filed (August 8, 1961). It also had a raised state seal and was stamped on the back with the words, “I certify that this is a true copy or abstract of the record on the file in the Hawaii State Department of Health.”
...........The campaign first posted a scanned copy of the document on the Internet the following year, on June 13, 2008. And if they had any illusions that mere facts would quiet the crazies, they were quickly disabused of that quaint notion. The facts actually added fuel to the fire, even as they were verified by independent third parties. The widely respected website, FactCheck.org sent representatives to Chicago to see, touch, and photograph the actual document.
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So all the misunderstanding is over mis-characterizing what is said....

Yurt claims that "factcheck did not look at, touch and photographed the "original"???
factcheck looked at, touched and photographed the "original" copy of actual document . The original document has never left Hawaii and was never in Chicago....

Big hulabalu over nothing....Yurt is correct is his limited contention.....the document factcheck saw was a copy of the original....not in fact a "Birth Certificate", but a copy of the "Certification of Live Birth".........
which is probably the same thing for all practical purposes....

Sorry TC...reading comprehension is a must here.....
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:rolleyes: Read this very carefully, because it's the last time I'm typing this.....the document that you and I, use for identification when filling out forms that require proof of citizenship is a CERTIFIDE COPY. NEITHER YOU, I OR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN CITIZENRY HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL HOSPITAL DOCUMENT SITTING AT HOME....THAT IS LOGGED WITH THE HOSPITAL AND/OR STATE RECORDS...RELEASED ONLY BY AUTHORIZATION OF THE OWNER OR SURVIVING IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER.

My certifide copy DOES NOT have the stamp impression like my younger brother's....yet I successfully used mine to get a passport and as to witness/sponsor my brother's passport application.

So to follow the logic used by you and Yurt, I could go to your job and raise hell that until YOU release the original document to me, you should not be employed as a bonafide US citizen.

Bottom line: the documentation that certifies Obama's citizenry is legit...it has been accepted by the State of Hawaii, the State Dept. the Secret Service and the Congress of the USA.

But somehow, that fact will be ignored, as you and the rest of the neocon parrots will continue to squawk your moot point.....so much more to pity you. Carry on.
 
Taichiliberal said:
:rolleyes: Read this very carefully, because it's the last time I'm typing this.....the document that you and I, use for identification when filling out forms that require proof of citizenship is a CERTIFIDE COPY. NEITHER YOU, I OR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN CITIZENRY HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL HOSPITAL DOCUMENT SITTING AT HOME....THAT IS LOGGED WITH THE HOSPITAL AND/OR STATE RECORDS...RELEASED ONLY BY AUTHORIZATION OF THE OWNER OR SURVIVING IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER.

My certifide copy DOES NOT have the stamp impression like my younger brother's....yet I successfully used mine to get a passport and as to witness/sponsor my brother's passport application.

So to follow the logic used by you and Yurt, I could go to your job and raise hell that until YOU release the original document to me, you should not be employed as a bonafide US citizen.

Bottom line: the documentation that certifies Obama's citizenry is legit...it has been accepted by the State of Hawaii, the State Dept. the Secret Service and the Congress of the USA.

But somehow, that fact will be ignored, as you and the rest of the neocon parrots will continue to squawk your moot point.....so much more to pity you. Carry on.
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There should be microfiche somewhere. Also the issue is "naturally born citizen" not simply "citizen".
 
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