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PostmodernProphet said:
and do you believe there is evidence to support "there is no god"?.....
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I believe you trying to prove a negative is futile.

I also see the arguments used by PostmodernProphet and Topper as sounding similar. Both seem to think their view is the only rational view. Both seem to think the other is ignorant and irrational.

I guess we should be grateful for agnostics.
 
Damocles said:
That law is legislating morality, people believe it is wrong to recklessly endanger and/or kill children, they made a law against doing that.

Almost any criminal law has a morality equivalent. I can't think of one that doesn't. Why do you think it is wrong to kill another person, to imprison them without due course, etc? It is because we have a set of rights created from a set of morals...
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i'm not disagreeing with you on that aspect. what i'm trying to get across is that one cannot legislate morality and expect it to make people moral all of a sudden. You can teach people whats right and whats wrong, but ultimately a person is going to decide for themselves, so that laws, instead of saying 'you cannot do this' should be saying 'if you do this'.
 
WinterBorn said:
I believe you trying to prove a negative is futile.

I also see the arguments used by PostmodernProphet and Topper as sounding similar. Both seem to think their view is the only rational view. Both seem to think the other is ignorant and irrational.

I guess we should be grateful for agnostics.
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here's where you are wrong, I don't begrudge anyone for religion or thier god. I have a tennis god.
What I don't want is politics based on this flimsy SHIT
 
Topspin said:
here's where you are wrong, I don't begrudge anyone for religion or thier god. I have a tennis god.
What I don't want is politics based on this flimsy SHIT
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You say you don't begrudge anyone their religion, but you have also said that those who are christians are uneducated. Strange.

I agree that we should not have laws based on any religion. But since people vote on who our leaders are, there is inevitably a big influence from religious beliefs.
 
WinterBorn said:
I believe you trying to prove a negative is futile.

I also see the arguments used by PostmodernProphet and Topper as sounding similar. Both seem to think their view is the only rational view. Both seem to think the other is ignorant and irrational.

I guess we should be grateful for agnostics.
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then you have misunderstood my point.....my position is a position of faith.....the atheist errs by pretending their position is one of reason, when in truth it is equally one of faith........that is what makes atheists irrational, pretending they operate on reason instead of faith.....
 
SmarterThanYou said:
i'm not disagreeing with you on that aspect. what i'm trying to get across is that one cannot legislate morality and expect it to make people moral all of a sudden. You can teach people whats right and whats wrong, but ultimately a person is going to decide for themselves, so that laws, instead of saying 'you cannot do this' should be saying 'if you do this'.
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Murder laws do not stop murders, the expectation that abortion laws would stop abortions would be equally mistaken, I agree. But that doesn't mean that one should not advocate for such a law. If you believe that a right to life has been taken, should you not advocate to spare that life?
 
WinterBorn said:
You say you don't begrudge anyone their religion, but you have also said that those who are christians are uneducated. Strange.

I agree that we should not have laws based on any religion. But since people vote on who our leaders are, there is inevitably a big influence from religious beliefs.
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what I said is their is a similarity to the % college educated and the % non religious
 
PostmodernProphet said:
then you have misunderstood my point.....my position is a position of faith.....the atheist errs by pretending their position is one of reason, when in truth it is equally one of faith........that is what makes atheists irrational, pretending they operate on reason instead of faith.....
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you waisted your money on that theology brainwashing
 
PostmodernProphet said:
then you have misunderstood my point.....my position is a position of faith.....the atheist errs by pretending their position is one of reason, when in truth it is equally one of faith........that is what makes atheists irrational, pretending they operate on reason instead of faith.....
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Yes, I've explained this before on the site.

Think of a line of probability. One may start anywhere on the line, think of zero as an equal probability of God existing vs. God not existing.. If you move to the left on the line you are going more towards a stronger probability of God not existing, if you move right on the line you move towards a stronger probability of the Diety's existence.

Anywhere on the line it is a probability, once you believe 100% one way or the other you are nowhere on that line, you have stepped into the realm of faith and it takes an infinite leap regardless of where you are on the line when you go into that realm. One must use faith to believe with 100% assurance that there is no God, just as one needs faith to believe that there is a God.
 
Topspin said:
that's fucking comical at best.
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But it isn't. You self-defined it and I apply your standard to your own position. Now you can either put up the evidence that proves your position or recognize that one must have faith to step into a 100% belief that no God exists. Start proving.

I personally think it is unlikely that God exists in the way that people think, but I can't say with that same assurance you seem to have. I just can't take that leap of faith.
 
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