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SmarterThanYou said:
this is what we call projection. liberals and conservatives need laws to govern behavior of others because they secretly fear that behavior in themselves.
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you are retarded and are the GED on the board who most would have benefitted going to college.
That is a highschool sophmoric response at best. And what takes the cake is your proud of yourself for that post. LOFL
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so, when I desire a law preventing an abortion you suspect it's because I secretly fear I will kill an unborn child?......
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not quite like that. you want a law preventing abortions because you feel that nobody should be able to have one, much like you yourself wouldn't get one (if you're a woman) based on your own moral beliefs. in other words, you want to legislate morality.
 
Topspin said:
you are retarded and are the GED on the board who most would have benefitted going to college.
That is a highschool sophmoric response at best. And what takes the cake is your proud of yourself for that post. LOFL
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back to the original question, assuming you are an atheist we now have three examples in this very thread of atheists acting irrationally......
 
SmarterThanYou said:
not quite like that. you want a law preventing abortions because you feel that nobody should be able to have one, much like you yourself wouldn't get one (if you're a woman) based on your own moral beliefs. in other words, you want to legislate morality.
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really?.....and here I thought it was just because it's really fucked up to be killing unborn children.....it used to be that way you know.....everyone thought it was fucked up to kill unborn children before 1972.....then for some reason liberals decided to hoist THEIR morality on the rest of us and teach us to think of it as really okay to kill unborn children.....I have to admit I really don't like that.....I was more comfortable thinking it was bad than thinking it was good......I don't think I like the morality that liberals have shoved down our throats......
 
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Topspin said:
you are retarded and are the GED on the board who most would have benefitted going to college.
That is a highschool sophmoric response at best. And what takes the cake is your proud of yourself for that post. LOFL
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denial is not just a river in egypt, it seems. you sure you actually got those degrees you're so proud of? because your reasoning skills suck ass. so does your less than pitiful attempt at a demeaning remark.

I don't think you actually went to college. I think you're ashamed of yourself because you couldn't even get a GED.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
not quite like that. you want a law preventing abortions because you feel that nobody should be able to have one, much like you yourself wouldn't get one (if you're a woman) based on your own moral beliefs. in other words, you want to legislate morality.
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If I think it is wrong to murder an adult, and therefore advocate for a law against it, am I legislating morality? If so, is any criminal law not legislating morality? Please tell me which criminal laws would not have some moral stance that may associate with it, and by this definition, if anybody advocates a passing of any of those laws that would have some morality equivalent they would be wanting to legislate morality.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
really?.....and here I thought it was just because it's really fucked up to be killing unborn children.....it used to be that way you know.....everyone thought it was fucked up to kill unborn children before 1972.....then for some reason liberals decided to hoist THEIR morality on the rest of us and teach us to think of it as really okay to kill unborn children.....I have to admit I really don't like that.....I was more comfortable thinking it was bad than thinking it was good......I don't think I like the morality that liberals have shoved down our throats......
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not everyone thought it was fucked up before 1972. abortions were still being performed before then, it was just considered illegal and immoral. what 'liberals' did at that time was remove the authority of the state to legislate a moral position.

understand something, I don't care for abortion either, but it comes down to legislating a moral position based on 'when does life begin'.
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
back to the original question, assuming you are an atheist we now have three examples in this very thread of atheists acting irrationally......
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and we have someone who spent extra years in college studying something that can't even come close to being proven.
who's irrational why is your god more real than the muslim god.
Moron
 
SmarterThanYou said:
lets use a little introspection and examine why you feel that way.
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uh....are you serious?.....how much "introspection" do you think it takes to figure out that killing children is not a good thing to do........oops, there went .034 seconds....that did it for me, do you need more time?........
 
SmarterThanYou said:
understand something, I don't care for abortion either, but it comes down to legislating a moral position based on 'when does life begin'.
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not really....."when does life begin" is not a moral issue, it's a scientific one.....the cases affirming a right to abortion paid no attention to the issue of "when life begins" and simply chose an arbitrary date starting at the third trimester......
 
Damocles said:
If I think it is wrong to murder an adult, and therefore advocate for a law against it, am I legislating morality?
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if you feel the need to look at it that way, then yes you are. what's actually being legislated is a prescribed penalty for violating someones individual rights, or more basically, taking a life that is not your's to take.

Damocles said:
If so, is any criminal law not legislating morality? Please tell me which criminal laws would not have some moral stance that may associate with it, and by this definition, if anybody advocates a passing of any of those laws that would have some morality equivalent they would be wanting to legislate morality.
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there is a very distinct difference between laws legislating morality and laws that don't.

for instance, a law that prescribes a punishment for passing a school bus picking up or dropping off students is not legislating morality, it's trying to legislate public safety. A law enacting a prohibitive tax on an item is legislating morality. A law that prohibits an activity that harms no one but the 'doer' is legislating morality.
 
please abortion is never going back to being banned. Could you wingnuts go to an all wingnut site to debate this, also toss in some chearing of killing towelheads while your at it.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
not really....."when does life begin" is not a moral issue, it's a scientific one.....the cases affirming a right to abortion paid no attention to the issue of "when life begins" and simply chose an arbitrary date starting at the third trimester......
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'when does life begin' starts as a scientific question, but the various answers lead people down to a moral question.
 
Topspin said:
and we have someone who spent extra years in college studying something that can't even come close to being proven.
who's irrational why is your god more real than the muslim god.
Moron
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actually that makes more sense than spending years in college studying whether to put an account in the payables or receivables column......things that can't be proven require more study....now if you really want to debate irrationality why is "there is no god" somehow more "rational" than "there is a god".......
 
Topspin said:
please abortion is never going back to being banned. Could you wingnuts go to an all wingnut site to debate this, also toss in some chearing of killing towelheads while your at it.
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so you prefer boards where everyone sits and nods his head when you post?......
 
SmarterThanYou said:
if you feel the need to look at it that way, then yes you are. what's actually being legislated is a prescribed penalty for violating someones individual rights, or more basically, taking a life that is not your's to take.


there is a very distinct difference between laws legislating morality and laws that don't.

for instance, a law that prescribes a punishment for passing a school bus picking up or dropping off students is not legislating morality, it's trying to legislate public safety. A law enacting a prohibitive tax on an item is legislating morality. A law that prohibits an activity that harms no one but the 'doer' is legislating morality.
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I think rights are supported mostly by moral argument as well. You have a right to free speech because people believe it is "wrong" for the government to use its power to curtail it, so forth.

Saying it is because it violates a right doesn't change that it is a morality issue. Almost any criminal law can be looked at in a morality perspective.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually that makes more sense than spending years in college studying whether to put an account in the payables or receivables column......things that can't be proven require more study....now if you really want to debate irrationality why is "there is no god" somehow more "rational" than "there is a god".......
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what a fucking tool
there is ZERO evidence of your or any other god.
I respect your ambulance chasing a lot more.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
if you feel the need to look at it that way, then yes you are. what's actually being legislated is a prescribed penalty for violating someones individual rights, or more basically, taking a life that is not your's to take.


there is a very distinct difference between laws legislating morality and laws that don't.

for instance, a law that prescribes a punishment for passing a school bus picking up or dropping off students is not legislating morality, it's trying to legislate public safety. A law enacting a prohibitive tax on an item is legislating morality. A law that prohibits an activity that harms no one but the 'doer' is legislating morality.
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That law is legislating morality, people believe it is wrong to recklessly endanger and/or kill children, they made a law against doing that.

Almost any criminal law has a morality equivalent. I can't think of one that doesn't. Why do you think it is wrong to kill another person, to imprison them without due course, etc? It is because we have a set of rights created from a set of morals...
 
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