How serious is the threat to democracy, and how do we defeat it?

PostmodernProphet said:
nation wide photo ID for voting would probably be sufficient......
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Makes no difference with mail-in ballots.
Makes no difference with stuffing ballot boxes by election officials.
Makes no difference with changing election laws after the fact by the executive branches of governments.
Makes no difference with voting machines that apply 'weighting' to votes.
Makes no difference with discarding valid votes.

It's gonna take more than photo voter ID.
 
Deaths per capita is the correct comparison.

Don't be stupid.

Sorry, this is what I get for using my phone...wrong thread.
 
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Nordberg said:
Why do lie so often? https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI_S4_C1_1_1_1_1/
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That is not authority over elections.
Nordberg said:
The Supremes have also agreed that Congress has the power.
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The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution or even interpret it. See Article III.
Nordberg said:
The 16tth. 19th and 26 amendments deal directly with voting.
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None of these amendments give Congress authority over elections.

You are AGAIN denying the Constitution of the United States.
 
BartenderElite said:
Some of that is fabricated, and a lot of it is stuff no one should have an issue w/.

Republicans don't want more people to vote. They never have. They win when turnout is low.
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Some of that is fabricated, and a lot of it is stuff no one should have an issue w/.
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Then post the complete text of those HRs and let’s find the fabrications. And it is your opinion that “a lot of it is stuff no one should have an issue with”. I disagree.

Republicans don't want more people to vote. They never have.
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Not exactly true. But i will confess that I would like to see more educated, pragmatic voters out there, people with real skin in the game. I’m sorry, but your 22 year old gender studies BA grad is not educated. I know an 18 year old welder starting his own business, making a lot more money than I am and he’s already bitching about taxes and the cost of materials. That young man is educated.

Did you know that you used to have to be a land owner to vote in this country? That’s how seriously they took this stuff. The reason the GOP wins when turnout is low is probably from a rare flash of lucidity among the jackasses. They just suddenly realize their candidate is full of shit and they can’t be defended. Look for this phenomenon in 2024.
 
Into the Night said:
That is not authority over elections.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution or even interpret it. See Article III.

None of these amendments give Congress authority over elections.

You are AGAIN denying the Constitution of the United States.
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Yes, they do. They determine who is allowed to vote. What is more authoritarian than that?
They tell the states who can vote.
 
BidenPresident said:
Hasen warns: “Of greatest concern is that the activities of Trump and his allies from the November 2020 election through January 7, 2021 served as dress rehearsal for how to subvert election results in 2024 or in other future elections.” He outlines three main risks to our elections.

The first risk arises from the “independent state legislature" doctrine. As Hasen explains, this is “[t]he argument that Article II and Article I, section 4 give state legislatures virtually unlimited powers over the rules for running presidential and congressional elections — even if it means violating the state’s own Constitution.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ious-is-threat-democracy-how-do-we-defeat-it/
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What exactly is it that ails you mentally? You seem to be taking your Libtardian oath to whole new levels of insanity lately.
 
Nordberg said:
Why do lie so often? https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI_S4_C1_1_1_1_1/ The Supremes have also agreed that Congress has the power . The 16tth. 19th and 26 amendments deal directly with voting.
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uh dude......you picked a link which says the opposite of what you wanted......

State authority to regulate the times, places, and manner of holding congressional elections has been described by the Court as embrac[ing] authority to provide a complete code for congressional elections ...; in short, to enact the numerous requirements as to procedure and safeguards which experience shows are necessary in order to enforce the fundamental rights involved.12 The Court has upheld a variety of state laws designed to ensure that elections—including federal elections – are fair and honest and orderly.13
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the Arizona case was a court decision which denied a minority state legislators challenge to an independent state redistricting committee established by the majority state legislators........the federal Congress wasn't even involved.......
 
BidenPresident said:
Hasen warns: “Of greatest concern is that the activities of Trump and his allies from the November 2020 election through January 7, 2021 served as dress rehearsal for how to subvert election results in 2024 or in other future elections.” He outlines three main risks to our elections.

The first risk arises from the “independent state legislature" doctrine. As Hasen explains, this is “[t]he argument that Article II and Article I, section 4 give state legislatures virtually unlimited powers over the rules for running presidential and congressional elections — even if it means violating the state’s own Constitution.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ious-is-threat-democracy-how-do-we-defeat-it/
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idiot......if a state legislature violates its state constitution, the state supreme court will overturn it.......if the state has not overturned it you are obviously wrong about what it violates.......you are still whining about the Texas law which both the state supreme court and the federal supreme court held was NOT unconstitutional.....
 
Into the Night said:
Congress has no authority to determine who is allowed to vote.

Congress has no authority to tell the States who can vote.

You are AGAIN denying the Constitution of the United States.

See Article I to discover what Congress is authorized to do.
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Do you go comatose every time the voters right act comes up? https://www.npr.org/2021/08/24/1030746011/house-passes-john-lewis-voting-rights-act I have to determine if it is ignorance or stubborn stupidity that propels you ,but you are wrong again.
 
Nordberg said:
Yes, they do. They determine who is allowed to vote. What is more authoritarian than that?
They tell the states who can vote.
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lol......Congress has certain matters over which it has authority.......the state legislators have exclusive authority over the manner in which the elections are conducted.......not the federal government either Congress or the executive office........not governors, not state officers.....not county or precinct officials, except to the extent which the legislatures may have authorized them......

"authoritarian" is not legal term......
 
BartenderElite said:
The "mail-in" concern is so fabricated. No one has ever cared about that, until Trump brought it up.

And it's what he blamed for "massive fraud." But - oops! - he ALSO claimed "massive fraud" in 2016, when we didn't have any increased mail-in due to a pandemic. Oh, and oops again! He even called the 2012 election a "sham."

See a pattern here? When are people going to stop believing a proven pathological liar? Ever? Doesn't the "pathologically lying" part give anyone pause?
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Bullshit! Mail in voter fraud is why there's a dementia idiot as president right now.

Susan Rice will run this country for 12 years, and she hates America and Americans, that's what a lot of people advocate for, and I cannot understand why.

Trump is a fish story telling uncle. Yeah, there are exaggerations and everybody knows it. However, he's a real American that loves America, unlike those in charge right now.

You're comparing an American fish-story telling uncle to devious traitors that want to fuck you over 9 ways to Sunday. That's what's going on here.
 
BidenPresident said:
Hasen warns: “Of greatest concern is that the activities of Trump and his allies from the November 2020 election through January 7, 2021 served as dress rehearsal for how to subvert election results in 2024 or in other future elections.” He outlines three main risks to our elections.

The first risk arises from the “independent state legislature" doctrine. As Hasen explains, this is “[t]he argument that Article II and Article I, section 4 give state legislatures virtually unlimited powers over the rules for running presidential and congressional elections — even if it means violating the state’s own Constitution.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ious-is-threat-democracy-how-do-we-defeat-it/
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DO NOT ALLOW DEMOCRAT STATE ADMINISTRATIONS TO MAKE UNCONSTITUTIONAL CHANGES TO ELECTION LAWS/STANDARDS LIKE THEY DID IN 2020...TO ALLOW TENS OF MILLIONS OF UNVERIFIED, UNSOLICITED, AND THEREBY ILLEGAL "MAIL IN BALLOTS"....


THAT WOULD BE A GREAT START.
 
Into the Night said:
Congress has no authority to determine who is allowed to vote.

Congress has no authority to tell the States who can vote.

You are AGAIN denying the Constitution of the United States.

See Article I to discover what Congress is authorized to do.
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What happened when they passed The voters right Act that allowed blacks to vote? Did that go to the states? Of course, it did. What happened when they passed legislation against Jim Crow? Did that change who votes in the states? Of course, it did. You are so wrong,so often and you never apologize or stop and think.
 
Nordberg said:
What happened when they passed The voters right Act that allowed blacks to vote? Did that go to the states? Of course, it did. What happened when they passed legislation against Jim Crow? Did that change who votes in the states? Of course, it did. You are so wrong,so often and you never apologize or stop and think.
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Congress has no authority to change the Constitution.
 
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