How serious is the threat to democracy, and how do we defeat it?

BartenderElite said:
The "mail-in" concern is so fabricated. No one has ever cared about that, until Trump brought it up.

And it's what he blamed for "massive fraud." But - oops! - he ALSO claimed "massive fraud" in 2016, when we didn't have any increased mail-in due to a pandemic. Oh, and oops again! He even called the 2012 election a "sham."

See a pattern here? When are people going to stop believing a proven pathological liar? Ever? Doesn't the "pathologically lying" part give anyone pause?[/QUOT

To paraphrase a line from, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre: Evidence?! What evidence?! We don't need any stinking evidence!
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Trump showed all the weaknesses of our election system.

One glaring problem is the Electoral College where they do not even have to vote with the voters of their states.
 
How serious is the threat to democracy, and how do we defeat it?
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By getting rid of the Left and far-Left in politics and government. The far-Right is useless so they're no real threat to anything. By returning to moderate parties we can get things done. Right now, the Democrats have moved far enough Left that they are all but useless in any sort of compromise in government.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
By getting rid of the Left and far-Left in politics and government. The far-Right is useless so they're no real threat to anything. By returning to moderate parties we can get things done. Right now, the Democrats have moved far enough Left that they are all but useless in any sort of compromise in government.
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You speak in vague abstractions. Maybe you just hate democracy.
 
BidenPresident said:
The second risk is the potential for manipulation of the results using newly-passed state laws that allow partisans to take over voting administration from impartial election officials. In other words, Republicans would simply steal the election by not counting valid votes.
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actually, the recently passed state laws PREVENT partisan administrators from changing the election laws constitutionally put in place by state legislatures.....
 
BidenPresident said:
Hasen warns: “Of greatest concern is that the activities of Trump and his allies from the November 2020 election through January 7, 2021 served as dress rehearsal for how to subvert election results in 2024 or in other future elections.” He outlines three main risks to our elections.

The first risk arises from the “independent state legislature" doctrine. As Hasen explains, this is “[t]he argument that Article II and Article I, section 4 give state legislatures virtually unlimited powers over the rules for running presidential and congressional elections — even if it means violating the state’s own Constitution.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ious-is-threat-democracy-how-do-we-defeat-it/
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wow just like the last election except they brought in excess
 
BidenPresident said:
No risk. Many states have been doing it for years with no problems.
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Too much room for doubt.
We had a mayoral election where a candidate was ahead w/ votes from the voting booths. A van load of empty ballots were placed in the same room as the mail in ballots in the middle of the night by a campaign worker of the losing candidate. What could go wrong? Luckily the winning candidate had workers placed in a clandestine location to observe the impropriety, the campaign worker was detained , the incident was reported, police showed up and the empty ballots were removed.
With mail in ballots the results of the polling places can be counted and since the mail in ballots can be counted for days, weeks later empty ballots can be used to make up the difference.
I have absolutely no trust in an election where mail in ballots (not the absentee ones which are far more vetted) are in use. Never have, even years before the 2020 election. The positives outweigh the negatives in those situations.
We've used them for a long time in muni elections where there's lengthy bond issues. They're also good for being able to look at the record of judges who are on the ballot.
I remember the first time mail in ballots were used for this purpose my first thought was that , well this is OK for a muni election where one needs the time to examine the pros and cons of bond issues or judges' records, but god help us is these are ever used for a statewide election or national election of candidates where most of our minds have been made up.
I'm not saying the 2020 election was rigged, but I am saying it was very, very flawed.
 
BartenderElite said:
The "mail-in" concern is so fabricated.
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Not a bit of it.
BartenderElite said:
No one has ever cared about that, until Trump brought it up.
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You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy. It was a concern before Trump brought it up.
BartenderElite said:
And it's what he blamed for "massive fraud."
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You can't make the evidence disappear by wishing it away, dude. This was but one factor.
BartenderElite said:
But - oops! - he ALSO claimed "massive fraud" in 2016, when we didn't have any increased mail-in due to a pandemic.
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He was right. There was massive fraud by Democrats. The attempt was unsuccessful.
BartenderElite said:
Oh, and oops again! He even called the 2012 election a "sham."
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He was right again. There was massive fraud by Democrats. The attempt then was also unsuccessful.
BartenderElite said:
See a pattern here?
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Yes. Democrats like to defraud elections.
BartenderElite said:
When are people going to stop believing a proven pathological liar? Ever? Doesn't the "pathologically lying" part give anyone pause?
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I stopped believing you a long time ago.
 
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BidenPresident said:
BartenderElite said:
The "mail-in" concern is so fabricated. No one has ever cared about that, until Trump brought it up.

And it's what he blamed for "massive fraud." But - oops! - he ALSO claimed "massive fraud" in 2016, when we didn't have any increased mail-in due to a pandemic. Oh, and oops again! He even called the 2012 election a "sham."

See a pattern here? When are people going to stop believing a proven pathological liar? Ever? Doesn't the "pathologically lying" part give anyone pause?
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To paraphrase a line from, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre: Evidence?! What evidence?! We don't need any stinking evidence!
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You can't make the evidence disappear by wishing it away or quoting cliches, dude.
 
BidenPresident said:
You speak in vague abstractions. Maybe you just hate democracy.
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The United States was never a democracy. It was organized as a federated republic.

Democracies have no constitution and no representatives. Democrats today do not want democracy. They are converting the federal government into an oligarchy. Democrats WANT fascism and communism.
 
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