Flight 93 - Todd Beamer "Let's Roll"

[Dutch Uncle]

So u dont believe what he government tells people?

but u fall hook line and sinker for what they tell u about covid

Like you fall hook, line and sinker for Trump's claims?

 

[Althea]

True. Wasn't it a Democratic majority then? LOL

Not in '01. It wasn't until Bush destroyed the nation that Dems. took over the govt.. House was Rep, Senate was close.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

None whatsoever. But nobody was allowed near the wreckage. There is no proof to be had.
Everybody on the ground by that time knew the plane was heading for the capitol.

Shooting it down was the only other option to letting it hit the capitol.
Even if the passengers planned a move, the military wouldn't count on that.

Plus, as everybody knows, I'm more cynic than true believer.
Life took my innocence about America the Beautiful and reduced it microscopic dust when I was a very young man.
And I'm a quick learner. I wasn't fooled the first time, never mind the subsequent times.

Well, they don't let civilians near any plane wreckage once the NTSB and/or local law enforcement arrive on the scene. It's not like those photos you see of wrecks in third world countries where ppl are crawling all over grabbing anything they can that's still intact. Besides, it is vritually impossible to keep a secret that large with so many involved from the govt.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not in '01. It wasn't until Bush destroyed the nation that Dems. took over the govt.. House was Rep, Senate was close.

Isn't it a little early to be engaging in TD Twin-level of hyperbole?

While it's common for the far Left and far Right to engage in hyperbole and bashing, the fact remains a 40% block of voting Americans trust neither and try to weaken each major party by voting for the challenger.

Ergo, the WH, Senate and House keep switching hands. A trend that first began under....wait for it....Clinton. LOL

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Besides, it is vritually impossible to keep a secret that large with so many involved from the govt.

That's clearly the best argument for the other possibility, I agree.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Well, they don't let civilians near any plane wreckage once the NTSB and/or local law enforcement arrive on the scene. It's not like those photos you see of wrecks in third world countries where ppl are crawling all over grabbing anything they can that's still intact. Besides, it is vritually impossible to keep a secret that large with so many involved from the govt.

Agreed. In the case of UAL93, it was a crime scene, but almost every crash has human remains in it.

The crash site is always secured to keep out the looters, looky-loos and souvenir collectors. The crash site of Valujet 592 is still off limits since it's a grave and the inability to reasonably recover the aircraft and human remains under 8 feet of water and 18 feet of silt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ic-involved-in-a-horrific-1996-valujet-crash/
At 2:13 p.m. on May 11, 1996 — less than 10 minutes after takeoff — Valujet Flight 592 slammed into the murky waters of the Florida Everglades, killing all 110 people on board. The impact was at once devastating and curious: A witness in a sightseeing plane would later tell investigators the jet seemed to vanish once it struck the wetlands, creating a deep crater in the muck and saw grass.

Crash debris haunted investigators for months as they recovered fragments of both plane and passengers from the “River of Grass.” To this day, no complete body of any of the passengers has ever been found.

“It just went to pieces,” Jacqueline Fruge, a special agent with the FBI’s Miami office, said in a statement Thursday.

 

[Althea]

Isn't it a little early to be engaging in TD Twin-level of hyperbole?

While it's common for the far Left and far Right to engage in hyperbole and bashing, the fact remains a 40% block of voting Americans trust neither and try to weaken each major party by voting for the challenger.

Ergo, the WH, Senate and House keep switching hands. A trend that first began under....wait for it....Clinton. LOL

Between the tax cuts and unchecked spending on military contractors (read...Halliburton et. al) Bush wrecked the economy and furthered Reagan's wealth gap.

Not hyperbole at all. Why do you think Dems did so well during the second mid terms?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Between the tax cuts and unchecked spending on military contractors (read...Halliburton et. al) Bush wrecked the economy and furthered Reagan's wealth gap.

Not hyperbole at all. Why do you think Dems did so well during the second mid terms?

Agreed excessive tax cuts and the whole "special rules for special people" corruption in Washington DC is wrong. No question.

It's hyperbole to claim "Bush destroyed the nation" for a single reason - he didn't. All of shit you mentioned was approved or supported by Congress.

Answer the question "Who controls the Treasury?" and you'll know who is responsible for the majority of US problems in government.

 

[reagansghost]

Well, not publicly anyways. Some of us haven't forgotten them. You haven't.

Iraq would probably set aside a day of remembrance but it's been a failed state and a total hellhole since Bush/Cheney and the entire GOP decided to make it so.......the Iraqis weren't exactly living large before President Cheney invaded, but Saddam's regime was benevolent in comparison

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Iraq would probably set aside a day of remembrance but it's been a failed state and a total hellhole since Bush/Cheney and the entire GOP decided to make it so.......the Iraqis weren't exactly living large before President Cheney invaded, but Saddam's regime was benevolent in comparison

True. The problem with leaving a power vacuum at the top is someone is gonna fill it. Nature, and countries, abhor a vacuum.

 

[Althea]

Agreed excessive tax cuts and the whole "special rules for special people" corruption in Washington DC is wrong. No question.

It's hyperbole to claim "Bush destroyed the nation" for a single reason - he didn't. All of shit you mentioned was approved or supported by Congress.

Answer the question "Who controls the Treasury?" and you'll know who is responsible for the majority of US problems in government.

Bush had Congress. How do you think his tax cuts passed via budget reconciliation? Senate was close, House was his.

When he chose to invade Iraq, he destroyed the nation's standing in the world. After 9/11, we had almost everyone sympathizing with our cause.

Iraq changed that.