Powell says Iraq surge should have come earlier

WinterBorn said:
When congress passes a law forbidding any government involvement or support of terrorist forces trying to overthrow the democratically elected government of another nation the president does not have the authority to go ahead and send money to the terrorists. (and that is least of what Reagan did in Nicaragua)

When Congress passes a law the president has some options but he cannot break that law. Your position that he can ignore laws in order to "protect the interests of this country" is insane.

Those "Freedom Fighters" that Reagan was funding raped, tortured and murdered thens of thousands of innocent civilians. They were trying to overthrow the democratically elected government.
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At some point you'll recognize that you're talking to a fool who doesn't have the capacity to interpret your words.
 
Southern Man said:
Do you have documentation that they were fair as you claimed Little Man?
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The World Court obviously thought so since they sided with Nicaragua saying that the US actions constituted "an unlawful use of force...".

Even our allies condemned our mining the Nicaraguan harbor.


But the main point is that Reagan ignored US Law when he funded the Contras.
 
Southern Man said:
If you wish to attack me then at least have the courage to do so directly.
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Excuse me, but I wasn't talking to you.

It doesn't take "courage" to attack a blip on my screen, it takes a waste of time. That is what you are .. a waste of time.

You don't come here EVERYDAY to engage in serious conversation, you come here to vent your frustrations over your small and insignificant life.

Like a rabid rat, you attack everything and have no respect for anything, including yourself or the creators and administrators of this site. You add nothing to the discussions but rage, overt racism, and ignorance.

It doesn't take courage to attack a fool who uses words he can't comprehend and who doesn't lacks intelligence, respect, and the slightest modicum of self-esteem. That's real easy.
 
WinterBorn said:
The World Court obviously thought so since they sided with Nicaragua saying that the US actions constituted "an unlawful use of force...".

Even our allies condemned our mining the Nicaraguan harbor.


But the main point is that Reagan ignored US Law when he funded the Contras.
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The World Court frequently sides against the world's lone superpower. Last I read we are still a sovereign nation. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
The World Court frequently sides against the world's lone superpower. Last I read we are still a sovereign nation. *shrug*
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The last I read Nicaragua was a sovereign nation when Reagan was funding terrorists to overthrow the democratically elected government.

Or does being a sovereign nation only apply to the US?
 
WinterBorn said:
The last I read Nicaragua was a sovereign nation when Reagan was funding terrorists to overthrow the democratically elected government.

Or does being a sovereign nation only apply to the US?
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You could say the same thing about Nazi Germany. *shrug*
 
WinterBorn said:
No, the Nazis attacked other nations. Nicaragua did not.

Your analogy is a complete failure.
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Nazis were in power long before they started to attack other nations while pansies wished for hope and change. Nicaragua never got the chance because Reagan stepped in early enough.
 
Southern Man said:
Nazis were in power long before they started to attack other nations while pansies wished for hope and change. Nicaragua never got the chance because Reagan stepped in early enough.
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His stepping in did not change the government of Nicaragua. It just continued the bloody terrorist attacks.

He stepped in and tried to support the overthrow of the democratically elected government. The US supported the previous government which was a dictatorship. You have talked about how Reagan brought freedom to people but here is an example of him trying to support the fight against freedom. The Somoza regime was supported by the US for over 20 years. Reagan sent $10 million to support the Contras who were trying to put the Somoza regime back in power. He called them "Freedom Fighters" but they were trying to remove the people who brought freedom to Nicaragua.

In 1982 the Borland Amendment forbid the US from supplying fund or arms to the Contras. Then in 1986 it comes out that Reagans administration had been supplying arms and fund to the Contras.

The worst part is that 14 members of Reagan's administration were tried and 14 were convicted in the Iran-Contra affair. All were pardoned by Bush in '92. The same Bush who had been vice-president when all this happened.

And worse yet, Bush issued an executive order (which goes against the 1978 Presidential Records Act) preventing the release of some 60,000+ pages of Reagan Era documents. So they also worked to coverup what happened.
 
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Watermark said:
Hindsight is 20/20. We'll know about this for future wars that hopefully we won't wage.
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It wasn't hindsight when I was saying it. Crap, you were there. I've said much the same thing since I learned about Korea, then Viet Nam. I spoke against going to war the first time in Iraq because there was no declaration, and the second time because there was no declaration, and in Afghanistan, because there was no declaration...

I am very consistent on this issue.
 
WinterBorn said:
His stepping in did not change the government of Nicaragua. It just continued the bloody terrorist attacks.

He stepped in and tried to support the overthrow of the democratically elected government. The US supported the previous government which was a dictatorship. You have talked about how Reagan brought freedom to people but here is an example of him trying to support the fight against freedom. The Somoza regime was supported by the US for over 20 years. Reagan sent $10 million to support the Contras who were trying to put the Somoza regime back in power. He called them "Freedom Fighters" but they were trying to remove the people who brought freedom to Nicaragua.

In 1982 the Borland Amendment forbid the US from supplying fund or arms to the Contras. Then in 1986 it comes out that Reagans administration had been supplying arms and fund to the Contras.

The worst part is that 14 members of Reagan's administration were tried and 14 were convicted in the Iran-Contra affair. All were pardoned by Bush in '92. The same Bush who had been vice-president when all this happened.

And worse yet, Bush issued an executive order (which goes against the 1978 Presidential Records Act) preventing the release of some 60,000+ pages of Reagan Era documents. So they also worked to coverup what happened.
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Looks like the Democrats really fucked that up. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
Looks like the Democrats really fucked that up. *shrug*
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What is it that you are saying the Democrats fucked up? Nothing in that post was about democrats.

It was about crimes committed by republicans and then being pardoned by a republican.
 
Southern Man said:
The World Court frequently sides against the world's lone superpower. Last I read we are still a sovereign nation. *shrug*
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And so was Nicaragua. If you KNEW the number of US lives that were lost or ruined in that illegal war you would shit yourself. While I was in the Army a story broke of a soldier that was killed when the 160th SOAR flew an illegal incursion into Nicaragua during one of the Big Pine Operations that were nothing more than disguises to violate Nicaragua's sovereignty. The Army put the dead soldier on ice till they could find a suitable accident on Fort Bragg to say he died in. That would be fine but then they decided to say he was not wearing his seatbelt so that his USGI would not pay out to his family. Finally one of the pilots from the 160th spoke up to his Senator and it was taken care of. That was but just one soldier killed or wounded fighting an illegal war in a place we had no business. El Salvador was another place where we supported a murderous regime that killed and disappeared anyone that showed any support for the leftists in that country. Your view of Reagan is colored by the fact that he was a republican. The man did some good things for this country but he was not a saint and his administration violated the law. He said he did not know and I believe that probably Bill Casey and Oliver North ran that operation without his knowledge. But the bottom line was, he either lied about Iran Contra or he had NO CONTROL of his administration. Seeing as he is your saint, you decide which is true because neither is flattering.
 
WinterBorn said:
What is it that you are saying the Democrats fucked up? Nothing in that post was about democrats.

It was about crimes committed by republicans and then being pardoned by a republican.
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The Democrats tried to advance socialism and Regan did what he had to do. Democrats are the enemy of freedom.
 
uscitizen said:
A republican even pardoning himself. That was something new.
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It is an American tradition that the new president pardon the past ones, regardless of political affiliation. Otherwise we'd be like a third world shit country. Perhaps, being liberal, that's what you want. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
The Democrats tried to advance socialism and Regan did what he had to do. Democrats are the enemy of freedom.
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Regan: pictured here after selling some arms to Iran

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