Obama To Use Bush Cybersecurity Plan

PostmodernProphet said:
/grins....ranks right up there with liberals realizing that the guy they voted for imitates the guy we voted for......
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In what specific area?

The complete abandonment of domestic policy?

Invading countries that didn't attack us & posed no threat to us?

Total incompetence in the face of crisis?

Slavery to the agenda of PNAC?

Since Obama "imitates" Bush so much that it's uncanny, I'd be interested to hear...
 
obama of course wants FISA....uses bush's admin's legal arguments to not be open and transparent....etc...etc....

i'm sure there is more, but of course you wouldn't hear about it onceler as it is obama, not bush, so the media is mum and most libs don't care
 
Yurt said:
obama of course wants FISA....uses bush's admin's legal arguments to not be open and transparent....etc...etc....

i'm sure there is more, but of course you wouldn't hear about it onceler as it is obama, not bush, so the media is mum and most libs don't care
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That's it?

Hearing you guys talk, Obama is a carbon copy of Bush; no changes whatsoever. Which, of course, begs the question on why none of you can stand him & think he's a socialist & terrorist sympathizer.

And all you've got is FISA?
 
Yurt said:
obama of course wants FISA....uses bush's admin's legal arguments to not be open and transparent....etc...etc....

i'm sure there is more, but of course you wouldn't hear about it onceler as it is obama, not bush, so the media is mum and most libs don't care
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Or there's the pesky fact that, while Bush engaged in this activity without congressional approval and in violation of the law, Obama is doing it with express congressional authorization and pursuant to the law. It's the subtle distinction between legal and illegal.

Now, we can argue over whether Congress ought to have passed the bill authorizing it (I oppose it and still do), but complaining about Obama using the powers the president was authorized to use is silliness.
 
Onceler said:
In what specific area?

The complete abandonment of domestic policy?

Invading countries that didn't attack us & posed no threat to us?

Total incompetence in the face of crisis?

Slavery to the agenda of PNAC?

Since Obama "imitates" Bush so much that it's uncanny, I'd be interested to hear...
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Obama's approach to civil liberties is difficult to distinguish from that of the Bush administration .. and could even be worse given that it may even include indefinite detention without trial.

He's walking lockstep with Bush policies on "state secrets."

He's walking lockstep hand-in-hand with Bush on African policy an our need to militarize the continent.

He's following Bush on war and the need for us to kill innocent people so Americans can feel "safe."

He embraced the enormously flawed Bush Tarp Plan for Wall Street, but has been far less bold on efforts to save Main Street .. and he's taken the same minimalist approach to reregulating the banking sector.

He refuses to even consider single-payer healthcare.

The man is a centrist and this should be no surprise to anyone.
 
Onceler said:
In what specific area?
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in this instance the implementation of the same security procedures that prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

in others, massive corporate welfare bailouts, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and maintaining Guantanamo, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and his position on Iraq, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and an overspending government, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

the list will go on.....
 
Dungheap said:
Or there's the pesky fact that, while Bush engaged in this activity without congressional approval and in violation of the law, Obama is doing it with express congressional authorization and pursuant to the law. It's the subtle distinction between legal and illegal.

Now, we can argue over whether Congress ought to have passed the bill authorizing it (I oppose it and still do), but complaining about Obama using the powers the president was authorized to use is silliness.
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your argument is incorrect....Bush operated under the laws voted by Congress and approved by the courts.....the fact that Bush's activities were legal did nothing to stop the liberals from demanding he be removed for doing it.....I await the liberals' demands that Obama be impeached....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
in this instance the implementation of the same security procedures that prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

in others, massive corporate welfare bailouts, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and maintaining Guantanamo, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and his position on Iraq, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and an overspending government, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

the list will go on.....
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yep, i gave onceler just two and he acted like i gave only one...and that i said that was all there is....he twists your arguments so watch for his "debates"

obama also argued the bush admin stance in not releasing whitehouse visitor logs for energy big wig meetings....the same the left was up on arms over when cheney fought it

the the level of hypocrisy is more than i imagined
 
Dungheap said:
Or there's the pesky fact that, while Bush engaged in this activity without congressional approval and in violation of the law, Obama is doing it with express congressional authorization and pursuant to the law. It's the subtle distinction between legal and illegal.

Now, we can argue over whether Congress ought to have passed the bill authorizing it (I oppose it and still do), but complaining about Obama using the powers the president was authorized to use is silliness.
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is this the stage where we start blaming pelosi and reed for all the failures because Obama still can do no wrong?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
in this instance the implementation of the same security procedures that prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

in others, massive corporate welfare bailouts, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and maintaining Guantanamo, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and his position on Iraq, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

and an overspending government, which had prompted liberals to demand Bush be removed from office....

the list will go on.....
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I consider BAC a true leftist, and he is not happy with Obama. But he was not happy with Obama in the campaign, because Obama campaigned on pretty much everything he is doing. As BAC points out, he is not the radical socialist that you guys like to call him when you're not saying he's exactly like Bush. He's a centrist.

That said, any comparison to Bush as a President, and the priorities Bush set as President, are laughable. Healthcare reform, energy policy which includes massive investment in domestic alternatives & goals for energy independence, investment in the infrastructure, college tuition assistance, job training, et al. Obama is as far from Bush as you could imagine. Let's not even get into competence & good judgment.

You guys want it both ways: you want to paint Obama as a dangerous extremist who is undermining the very foundation of America with his proposals, but at the same time....he's just like Bush!

Silly....
 
Onceler said:
He's a centrist.
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I'm sorry, centrists don't cause the government to take over private industry....socialists do.....

That said, any comparison to Bush as a President, and the priorities Bush set as President, are laughable. Healthcare reform, energy policy which includes massive investment in domestic alternatives & goals for energy independence, investment in the infrastructure, college tuition assistance, job training, et al. Obama is as far from Bush as you could imagine. Let's not even get into competence & good judgment.
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I quite agree...Obama will never demonstrate the good judgment that Bush has.....massive investment is an understatement for Obama....and, as I recall, that was another criticism you liberals had of Bush (one I shared with you)....Bush and the Republican congress spent money like drunken Democrats....incensed at losing their title as big spenders, the Democrats are determined to take it back with a vengeance.....

You guys want it both ways: you want to paint Obama as a dangerous extremist who is undermining the very foundation of America with his proposals, but at the same time....he's just like Bush!
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I agree....he is doing exactly the same things Bush did....all those things the left demanded he be hung out to dry for doing....I'm not expecting it "both ways"...I'm just wondering why it isn't the SAME way.....
 
"Obama will never demonstrate the good judgment that Bush has"

I don't think there is an acronym that could adequately convey the humor in this statement.

That is what they call a "credibility nosedive" in the realm of the internet...
 
boy, you guys don't leave much time for editing do you....

I want to add this....let's be honest....I dislike Obama for doing certain things....in general, the very things I dislike about Obama are the things that cause liberals to rejoice....the things that cause liberals to overlook the things that they dislike about Obama.....

but at least I am consistent.....I didn't want anyone doing the things I didn't like before Obama got elected and I don't like it now.....liberals are dishonest about their own feelings....they pretend it's okay when Obama does it, even when they demanded Bush be impeached for doing the same thing.....it's just one of the reasons that liberals suck......
 
Onceler said:
"Obama will never demonstrate the good judgment that Bush has"

I don't think there is an acronym that could adequately convey the humor in this statement.

That is what they call a "credibility nosedive" in the realm of the internet...
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really?....where I come from they call it debate.....you don't like argument?....sucks to be you.....I wouldn't give two cents for anyone who ranked as credible on a liberal's scale....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
boy, you guys don't leave much time for editing do you....

I want to add this....let's be honest....I dislike Obama for doing certain things....in general, the very things I dislike about Obama are the things that cause liberals to rejoice....the things that cause liberals to overlook the things that they dislike about Obama.....

but at least I am consistent.....I didn't want anyone doing the things I didn't like before Obama got elected and I don't like it now.....liberals are dishonest about their own feelings....they pretend it's okay when Obama does it, even when they demanded Bush be impeached for doing the same thing.....it's just one of the reasons that liberals suck......
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Hey - you sound just like Yurt!

It's silly to think that double-standards exist only on one side of the political spectrum. To argue such is to admit some rather unflattering things about yourself.

I have been told many things that I railed against Bush for during the Bush years, but very few have been accurate.
 
Onceler said:
Hey - you sound just like Yurt!
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attempting to flatter me in the middle of a debate will earn you no points....

It's silly to think that double-standards exist only on one side of the political spectrum. To argue such is to admit some rather unflattering things about yourself.
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I will leave posting unflattering things about me to you.....if you find me guilty of a double standard, feel free to point it out.....but I hated Bush for not blocking Tarp and I hated Obama for quadrupling it when he took over....that isn't a double standard

I have been told many things that I railed against Bush for during the Bush years, but very few have been accurate.
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well, in truth, I have just met you....perhaps you aren't a liberal.....I am speaking of the brainless in general.....
 
SmarterThanYou said:
is this the stage where we start blaming pelosi and reed for all the failures because Obama still can do no wrong?
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No. This is the time they blame the "Party of NO" for filibustering everything even though they have a filibuster proof majority.
 
Onceler said:
Yeah; call me when you see that one...
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I've already heard it, I suspect I'll see it as well. Regardless it is sarcasm, direct sarcasm with a tinge of reality mixed in, because that's the best recipe for the dryest humor. Much like the "Will you start blaming Pelosi because Obama is perfect" example.

Pointing out that the most ridiculous and loudest screams were for stuff like the NSA listening, yet it continues with the added "you can't sue"... It's now entirely silent.

Nothing the man does seems to effect his perfection in your mind, at least nothing evident in your posts shows that you have any concern whatsoever over his actions.

Where Obama and Bush are the same are very often at the points where the loudest complaints came from both sides, yet one side has now fallen silent.
 
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