I am seriously disgusted by my party.

ThatOwlWoman said:
I guess not. I have had lunch and attended happy hours with male colleagues present. My husband has done with the same women colleagues, especially so since most of his IT colleagues were female. But neither one of us went out to dinner with an opposite sex colleague one-on-one. Lunch is seen as "safe," dinner is seen more as "date." Women who let their male boss take them out for dinner could easily be seen as encouraging a relationship outside of the office. Appearances are everything. Cuomo behaved badly. From some of the photos shown (like grinning selfies taken with him), it appears that some of the young women may have led him to believe he had a chance to score. Even so, as the boss and as the mature adult, he had the opportunity to resist. He failed.
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I've done it more times than I can remember.
You're working late, either at work or in the union office. It' maybe 8:45 PM.
You call home.
Your wife has already eaten with the kids.
Your female colleague's husband has already eaten.

"We're finally done. Marcie and I haven't eaten, so we're grabbing a bite at The Loft.
I'll be home before eleven."

It's entirely possible that Marcie [made up name for the example] and I will say, "Tough night, huh?" and peck each others' cheek before walking to our respective cars and then going home to our families...if we're friends enough to do that.

End of story. Nobody gives it a second thought. Happens all the time. I just thought that this is how working people lived.
I guess that your comments startled me a little bit. Is the Mid West that much different?
 
Diesel said:
Biden got something that both parties wanted. The infrastructure bill is no master class in bipartisanship; and it's not even what Biden wanted. I'm sure you noticed that what Biden wants was passed on straight party lines this morning without a single Republican vote.

Where are we with voting rights, gun control, the filibuster, immigration, and the minimum wage? The PoliTalker method doesn't amount to a fart in a hurricane and will never be successful again as long as the Republican party has a seat at the table.
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It can only work when Dems. get 51 real Democrats. They aren't even close yet.

When they do, they'll get moderate Republicans to sign on to their own pet projects, unlike when Obama was in office
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I've done it more times than I can remember.
You're working late, either at work or in the union office. It' maybe 8:45 PM.
You call home.
Your wife has already eaten with the kids.
Your female colleague's husband has already eaten.

"We're finally done. Marcie and I haven't eaten, so we're grabbing a bite at The Loft.
I'll be home before eleven."

It's entirely possible that Marcie [made up name for the example] and I will say, "Tough night, huh?" and peck each others' cheek before walking to our respective cars and then going home to our families...if we're friends enough to do that.

End of story. Nobody gives it a second thought. Happens all the time. I just thought that this is how working people lived.
I guess that your comments startled me a little bit. Is the Mid West that much different?
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Totally different. Marcie and you have a work relationship. I noticed that you did not say anything about Marcie being younger, attractive to you, sexy. The problem comes when the management person sees the underling as a possible sexual conquest. Or maybe he just enjoys flirting to see how far he can get. Knowing that your supervisor is the latter, going out to dinner with him would be a mistake. He would most likely take it as encouragement. If you didn't realize that about him, and went out to dinner, you still have the right to tell him "No, not interested" if he accelerates his "flirting" afterwards. Bet Mr. Cuomo did not listen.
 
Phantasmal said:
I respectfully disagree. No party gets everything it wants, and it’s only through bipartisan efforts that we get some of what we need. This first act of bipartisan legislation will lead to other bills passing. Democrats have to be careful not to alienate the Independent voters, whose votes they need to stay in power.
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The term 'bi partisan' denotes unhappy legislators on both sides of the bill.
 
Diesel said:
So, I'm honestly interested in this conversation, but you have ignored every one of my posts to you so far. Is that intentional? Maybe I'm just not engaging the right person, although you did start this conversation.
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I can read this so you're obviously not on ignore.
I guess that I've got so many people on ignore that I don't actually expect a dialogue with many folks.

I'm sorry and didn't mean to offend you.
I'll be more observant and look for your responses in the future.
No, it definitely wasn't intentional.
 
Diesel said:
Do Democrats in CA want Newsom recalled absent the chance that a Republican will replace him? The recall effort started before COVID, so it has always seemed like complete bullshit to me.
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I don't believe Newsom has anything to worry about. As you state, people were pissed about the trump virus shut down.

The economy is the best in the nation, and the state is open for business.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Totally different. Marcie and you have a work relationship. I noticed that you did not say anything about Marcie being younger, attractive to you, sexy. The problem comes when the management person sees the underling as a possible sexual conquest. Or maybe he just enjoys flirting to see how far he can get. Knowing that your supervisor is the latter, going out to dinner with him would be a mistake. He would most likely take it as encouragement. If you didn't realize that about him, and went out to dinner, you still have the right to tell him "No, not interested" if he accelerates his "flirting" afterwards. Bet Mr. Cuomo did not listen.
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I have the moral armament inflicted or imposed or lovingly placed on me by loving parents not to be an asshole with women.
I had the example of my father about whom I've recently spoken.
It's hard to believe, knowing who the governor's parents were, that he wouldn't have had the same.
I guess none of us can be in other peoples' heads. If Andy screwed up, that bothers me.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
People prioritize different things.
I have never owned a pickup truck in my entire almost 75 years of life.

In fairness, few city dwellers own pickup trucks.

After Lincolns stopped being Lincolns, I switched to Jeep Grand Cherokees.
That's as truck-like as I'll ever get.

I also own a vintage Corvette restomod for the summer months, but of course, it's rained all summer.
And I'm too old to get in and out of it with the top up.

But Joe Sixpack's Middle America is not for me.
Some people, yes, but never me.

I like the perfect blend of East Coast elitist snobbery and ethnic urban grit.
That pretty much defines Boston.
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Some of them are ITALIAN.

My best friend here is half Italian & half Irish.
His family moved up to Brewster from.the Bronx.

He's the cowboy hat dude, who wears a concealed machete & listens to country music.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Ah, I see. Let's put it this way. You and I have both seen the disgusting slurs flung at VP Harris due to her long-ago relationship with a man who was her work superior. "Slept her way to the top" is the nicer of the insults. Like it or not there is still a difference, a double standard even, between the perception of a male-male boss dinner outside-of-work and a female-male boss dinner. Better to meet on the work premises, or do the mentoring at lunch, to avoid the appearance of a date. Not fair, but that's how it is.
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Harris and Willie Brown dated. I’d argue dating is different that having a work dinner or HH.

I agree there can be a line but I don’t see why women shouldn’t be able to do it if men can.
 
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