Independents' Warning for Obama

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A Realist
CAPITAL JOURNAL
JUNE 23, 2009

By GERALD F. SEIB

Independent voters are the canaries in the coal mine of American politics, telling a leader whether the air is safe or starting to fill up with some toxic gases.

Bearing that in mind, President Barack Obama and his team ought to start worrying about the health of those canaries.

While the president remains broadly popular, his standing has eroded noticeably among political independents in recent weeks. That slide, among a set of citizens central to Mr. Obama's sizable victory in last year's election, means he has reached a politically hazardous juncture at the midpoint of his first, exceptionally hectic year.

The shifting attitude among independent voters, in fact, is the most significant change to emerge from a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, completed just last week. In that survey, Mr. Obama's job-approval rating among Americans overall slipped a notch, to 56% from 61% in April. That's not much of a drop, and is in keeping with the pattern for a new president at this point in his term.

But the slide was much more pronounced among self-identified purely independent voters -- that is, Americans who express no loyalty to either party.

Among these people, who tend to reside in the middle of the ideological spectrum, the president's job-approval rating fell to 45% from 60% in April.


Previous WSJ/NBC News polls

The drop is the result of a "much more critical evaluation by these voters of President Obama" than in the administration's earlier months, Democrat Peter Hart and Republican Bill McInturff, directors of the Journal/NBC News poll, write in their analysis of the findings.

In particular, the survey suggests, independents are developing gnawing fears about government spending. They are markedly more worried about the federal budget deficit as an economic issue than are Americans in general, and they are more likely to be skeptical of Mr. Obama's plan for a health-care overhaul.

Above all, though, independents are starting to simply view the president as more liberal than they expected. The share of independents who say Mr. Obama is a liberal has risen to a substantial 64% from 46% two months ago. A large portion of them actually classify him as "very liberal." That's a particular problem because independents tend to view themselves as center-right -- 78% call themselves moderate or conservative -- so they see a president moving to the left of where they are.

"This is a clear and important danger for him," says Mr. Hart, the Democratic pollster. Independents, he adds, don't seem to worry so much that Mr. Obama is trying to tackle too many issues, but rather that "this administration is leaning much more left than they expected" as he handles those issues.

Of course, there also are more positive elements for the president in this picture. He remains personally popular among many independents; almost seven in 10 say they like him personally. "He is doing just fine with independents on a personal basis," Mr. Hart says.

In addition, any doubts among independents about the Obama agenda aren't translating into much love for Republicans and their ideas. Only 18% of independents say they have positive feelings about the Republican Party. Moreover, some of the wavering among independents is to be expected from a group of Americans who are, by definition, not rooted in loyalty to any party or leader, and hence very fickle.

Still, independents are a crucial slice of the public. They make up about a fifth of the American electorate, and they tend to mirror America's broader demographics.

They also tend to decide most elections, and they went for Mr. Obama last year by a 52% to 44% margin. Their attitudes are of great long-term importance to Democrats' hopes that the 2008 vote was a transforming election that will usher in a durable Democratic majority.


Indeed, the broad contours of the 2008 vote were shaped by waves of previously independent voters who switched to calling themselves Democrats. They acted and voted that way last fall, which was a principal reason Mr. Obama became the first Democrat to win a majority of the popular vote in a presidential election in 32 years.

But Democrats were renting those voters last year; they don't own them, at least not yet. As a purely political matter, they remain up for grabs in many ways. Independents who moved toward Mr. Obama last year, and away from him now, could easily swing back toward him down the line.

Mr. Hart says independents want to see that the president is providing "a vigilant government, not a controlling government." And as with so much in the early stages of the Obama presidency, the economy's recovery likely is the key to Mr. Obama's long-term standing with independents. A durable economic recovery will make concerns about the deficit recede, and make an overhaul of the health system seem more affordable. Without that kind of economic recovery -- well, everything will be hard, with independents as well as others.
 
2016...seems like a really long way away, doesn't it?

Not really. Around or before that time a few things will happen as well.

The govt will have to start repaying from general funds SS surplus money they have spent.

Unless our health care system changes we will be spending 3 out of every 5 dollars for health care.
 
I'm thinking 2010 is what the dems ought to be worrying about. what's a dem president going to do with a republican majority in either house?
 
and 2008 seemed a long way too....

its funny to watch the politics, the very things the libs complained of about repubs during the bush years, they are now doing exactly those things....

Really? Lying about getting us into a war so tens of thousands of innocents could be killed?

That's exactly what the Dems are doing now?
 
Really? Lying about getting us into a war so tens of thousands of innocents could be killed?

That's exactly what the Dems are doing now?

and you call me dishonest about interpreting people's comment, good lord, how you got that out of my comments is utter insanity....

i'm talking about you guys wanting power again and whining about the stolen election and how pissed you guys were when you lost in 04....but you didn't give up and you slammed all the repubs that told you to....yet now, you are acting just like those (i don't know if you personally did) repubs you guys criticized. try being a little more intellectually honest in the political arena....
 
and you call me dishonest about interpreting people's comment, good lord, how you got that out of my comments is utter insanity....

i'm talking about you guys wanting power again and whining about the stolen election and how pissed you guys were when you lost in 04....but you didn't give up and you slammed all the repubs that told you to....yet now, you are acting just like those (i don't know if you personally did) repubs you guys criticized. try being a little more intellectually honest in the political arena....

In what way are "we" acting like the Repubs we criticized?

Can you be more specific?
 
In what way are "we" acting like the Repubs we criticized?

Can you be more specific?

i constantly see dems telling people they are unpatriotic for not following obama's plan, that they want the country to fail, that their party is done for, that they should basically stfu and take it, etc....i saw many repubs say those things and all dems criticized that.

did you really need to ask this question? :rolleyes:
 
i constantly see dems telling people they are unpatriotic for not following obama's plan, that they want the country to fail, that their party is done for, that they should basically stfu and take it, etc....i saw many repubs say those things and all dems criticized that.

did you really need to ask this question? :rolleyes:

"Constantly?" Really?

Sorry, Yurt. You have no idea the extent to which the GOP villified lefties for opposing Bush's war of choice. We were called traitors and terrorists, and told that we hated the troops themselves.

I have yet to see anything even approaching that on a national scale for opposition to Obama's policies. You're a hack, though, so I'm not surprised that you see the world that way.
 
The "honest liar" telling me to be more intellectually honest. What irony.

for one million and one times meadowmuffins for brains, i purposefully used used those types arguments in direct response to maineman's argument that you can have honest deception....i never said "honest liar", and i've explained this to you ad nauseum, thus, it is YOU that are lying... you're full of it onceler and obviously can't think well on your feet as you had to come back with an insult after a valid post....lmao ass....tool
 
"Constantly?" Really?

Sorry, Yurt. You have no idea the extent to which the GOP villified lefties for opposing Bush's war of choice. We were called traitors and terrorists, and told that we hated the troops themselves.

I have yet to see anything even approaching that on a national scale for opposition to Obama's policies. You're a hack, though, so I'm not surprised that you see the world that way.

i just said the gop did that, good lord, not to the extent you think though... its so funny, you discount my observation, but hold your own as valid, you're so intellectually dishonest about this....

you haven't seen dems tell others who don't want obama's plan to succeed that they really want the COUNTRY to fail....do you live under a rock or are you perpetually residing where the sun don't shine?
 
i just said the gop did that, good lord, not to the extent you think though... its so funny, you discount my observation, but hold your own as valid, you're so intellectually dishonest about this....

you haven't seen dems tell others who don't want obama's plan to succeed that they really want the COUNTRY to fail....do you live under a rock or are you perpetually residing where the sun don't shine?

Well, first, just by comparing the 2, you clearly do not understand - AT ALL - the extent to which the GOP painted opponents as unpatriotic when it came to Iraq.

And yeah - when Rush Limbaugh says that he hopes the country fails under Obama, and people defend him, we kind of call that as it is.

Another loss, Yurt.
 
Well, first, just by comparing the 2, you clearly do not understand - AT ALL - the extent to which the GOP painted opponents as unpatriotic when it came to Iraq.

And yeah - when Rush Limbaugh says that he hopes the country fails under Obama, and people defend him, we kind of call that as it is.

Another loss, Yurt.

actually, you just again proved me right. you are saying that the GOP is worse, so in essence you are defending the dems because the gop was worse....then you admit exactly what i claimed when people say we are unpatriotic, you wanted an example, i gave it and you say.....well yeah....

you're so politically biased you can't even see your own irony and intellectually dishonesty regarding our conversation here...you are nearly the same arguments the repubs used to call the dems unpatriotic when they did not support the iraq war, but its ok for you and the dems, as you just call it as you see it....

dude, you just convicted yourself and you say i lost...lmao
 
actually, you just again proved me right. you are saying that the GOP is worse, so in essence you are defending the dems because the gop was worse....then you admit exactly what i claimed when people say we are unpatriotic, you wanted an example, i gave it and you say.....well yeah....

you're so politically biased you can't even see your own irony and intellectually dishonesty regarding our conversation here...you are nearly the same arguments the repubs used to call the dems unpatriotic when they did not support the iraq war, but its ok for you and the dems, as you just call it as you see it....

dude, you just convicted yourself and you say i lost...lmao

Wow...how much do you have to twist words and convolute things to be "right"? I feel like I'm watching someone on a unicycle, trying to juggle while riding through flaming hoops.

Many lefties opposed the war. For that, we were called traitors, terrrorist sympathizers & troop haters.

A prominent conservative comes out & says he wants the country to fail under Obama's policies, and many conservatives defend him, and for that, Dems say...they want the country to fail.

And that's a straight-up comparison in Yurt-world?

Weird....
 
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