Why won't Trump supporters take the Trump vaccine?

ThatOwlWoman said:
Seems that the older you are the fewer the symptoms; either from waning immune response, or us geezers' immune systems have seen it and done it all. lol My 12-yo g-son got a high fever and felt really crappy for a couple of days after the 2nd, while his brother (age 14) just felt a little icky for a day or so.
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Odd since COVID kills older Americans in higher percentages.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
Seems that the older you are the fewer the symptoms; either from waning immune response, or us geezers' immune systems have seen it and done it all. lol My 12-yo g-son got a high fever and felt really crappy for a couple of days after the 2nd, while his brother (age 14) just felt a little icky for a day or so.
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Interesting. We are all in the phase 4 trials. Normally this data would be compiled under strict guidelines. Even blind studies. Did they have mRNA shots?
 
Althea said:
Yup.

I never get the flu shot, even though my doc asks me every year. I don't need it. My immune system is very strong, and I tend to avoid humans in crowds.

I didn't really think I needed the Covid vaccine either, but I wanted to be a statistic so that my state could open up. I believe that I'm much safer for having gotten it, though. No down side. I got it at the local grocery store. Pretty easy. By that time all front line workers got it, and there were no bad results.
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Enjoy rolling the dice. Have you ever had a bad case of the flu? It won't kill a healthy person, but they'll certainly wish they were dead. Better to get the shot.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Enjoy rolling the dice. Have you ever had a bad case of the flu? It won't kill a healthy person, but they'll certainly wish they were dead. Better to get the shot.
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Interesting term, given that the flu shot is developed before flu season and is basically a guess. My immune system is extremely strong. I haven't been sick in more than 10 years. Take a handful of supplements every day since the 70's. If I worked in an office setting I might not be so lucky, but I'm in the fresh air a lot.

My worst risk is once/week at pool league in the bars. I wear contacts for pool, so I wash my hands 10 times during the night after shaking hands. I tend to avoid people who are sneezing/coughing anyway.
 
Althea said:
Interesting term, given that the flu shot is developed before flu season and is basically a guess. My immune system is extremely strong. I haven't been sick in more than 10 years. Take a handful of supplements every day since the 70's. If I worked in an office setting I might not be so lucky, but I'm in the fresh air a lot.

My worst risk is once/week at pool league in the bars. I wear contacts for pool, so I wash my hands 10 times during the night after shaking hands. I tend to avoid people who are sneezing/coughing anyway.
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Hmmm...isn't that like saying "I don't wear my seat belt. It's uncomfortable and I'm a safe driver"?

Why do you refuse the vax?
 
Life is Golden said:
He said he took it at a grocery store, a few posts up.
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True, but we drifted into a side topic of annual flu shots. I get every shot offered. Mostly out of habit since I was a frequent traveller here and abroad several decades.
Althea said:
Yup.

I never get the flu shot, even though my doc asks me every year. I don't need it. My immune system is very strong, and I tend to avoid humans in crowds.

I didn't really think I needed the Covid vaccine either, but I wanted to be a statistic so that my state could open up. I believe that I'm much safer for having gotten it, though. No down side. I got it at the local grocery store. Pretty easy. By that time all front line workers got it, and there were no bad results.
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Dutch Uncle said:
Hmmm...isn't that like saying "I don't wear my seat belt. It's uncomfortable and I'm a safe driver"?

Why do you refuse the vax?
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Because it's often the wrong one. By admission. I'm sure it's been longer than 10 years since I had any sort of illness. I seem to remember barfing about 12 years ago, but that passed overnight.

At my age, I'm certainly in the demographic that is targeted for a yearly vaccine. I'm in great shape, very healthy, and take no drugs. If my immune system changes, I'll consider alternatives. For now, Vit. C/Zinc make for a pretty good defense.


Interesting topic, though. Scientists are still learning. A bit dated, but:


The influenza virus has yet to hit the Northern Hemisphere, but flu vaccine season is already in full swing, with banners outside pharmacies urging: "Get Your Flu Shot Now." What's not advertised, however, is just how lackluster the vaccine is. The most commonly used flu shots protect no more than 60% of people who receive them; some years, effectiveness plunges to as low as 10%. Given that a bad flu season can kill 50,000 people in the United States alone, "10% to 60% protection is better than nothing," says Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis. "But it's a terribly inadequate vaccine for a serious public health threat." Now, researchers are striving to understand why it fails so often—and how to make a markedly better one.


They're questioning what was once received wisdom: that the vaccine fails when manufacturers, working months ahead of flu season, incorrectly guess which strains will end up spreading. And they're learning instead that the vaccine may falter even when the right strains were used to make it, perhaps because of how it is produced or quirks of individual immune systems. "It's much more complicated than we thought," Osterholm says. "I know less about influenza today than I did 10 years ago."


The influenza vaccine teaches the body to produce antibodies against the head of the virus's surface protein, hemagglutinin (HA). Those antibodies ideally prevent HA from attaching to cellular receptors, thwarting infection. But HA's head is highly mutable, which is why vaccine makers must come up with a new formula every year.
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Dutch Uncle said:
True, but we drifted into a side topic of annual flu shots. I get every shot offered. Mostly out of habit since I was a frequent traveller here and abroad several decades.
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As I mentioned, if my work habits were different, I might do the same. I'm able to avoid the masses. Especially in closed spaces
 
Althea said:
Yup.

I never get the flu shot, even though my doc asks me every year. I don't need it. My immune system is very strong, and I tend to avoid humans in crowds.

I didn't really think I needed the Covid vaccine either, but I wanted to be a statistic so that my state could open up. I believe that I'm much safer for having gotten it, though. No down side. I got it at the local grocery store. Pretty easy. By that time all front line workers got it, and there were no bad results.
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That is what she said.https://www.rawstory.com/woman-regrets-forgoing-vaccine-after-rough-battle-with-it-was-devastating/
 
Althea said:
Because it's often the wrong one. By admission. I'm sure it's been longer than 10 years since I had any sort of illness. I seem to remember barfing about 12 years ago, but that passed overnight.

At my age, I'm certainly in the demographic that is targeted for a yearly vaccine. I'm in great shape, very healthy, and take no drugs. If my immune system changes, I'll consider alternatives. For now, Vit. C/Zinc make for a pretty good defense.


Interesting topic, though. Scientists are still learning. A bit dated, but:
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Now you sound like the Trump anti-vaxxers. LOL

Wrong one? So what? Are you disappointed on all the home fire insurance you paid last year but never collected upon? WTF? It's a shot.


FWIW, "some people treat their body like a temple, but I treated mine like an amusement park". Jus' sayin'.

If getting shots are a harmless preventative measure, then why refuse them? They're free with your annual exam. It's like wearing a seatbelt. You do it with the hope you never need it.
 
Althea said:
As I mentioned, if my work habits were different, I might do the same. I'm able to avoid the masses. Especially in closed spaces
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The bottom line is you can't guarantee it and are intentionally dodging a proactive preventative measure of protection. Your choice even though I support businesses, schools and other public areas denying you permission to enter if there is a national medical emergency.

My career has taken me all around the world a couple of times. Having been sick with unknown viruses a handful of times, a few car crashes and one plane mishap, I'm a true believer when it comes to preventative measures like seat belts and vaccines.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Now you sound like the Trump anti-vaxxers. LOL

Wrong one? So what? Are you disappointed on all the home fire insurance you paid last year but never collected upon? WTF? It's a shot.


FWIW, "some people treat their body like a temple, but I treated mine like an amusement park". Jus' sayin'.

If getting shots are a harmless preventative measure, then why refuse them? They're free with your annual exam. It's like wearing a seatbelt. You do it with the hope you never need it.
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I'm not saying you shouldn't get one. I'm saying that I don't need one. They don't work as often as they do.

Contrast that with mRNA technology. I got the Covid vaccine because it works, and even though I don't need it, I wanted my name on a list.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The bottom line is you can't guarantee it and are intentionally dodging a proactive preventative measure of protection. Your choice even though I support businesses, schools and other public areas denying you permission to enter if there is a national medical emergency.

My career has taken me all around the world a couple of times. Having been sick with unknown viruses a handful of times, a few car crashes and one plane mishap, I'm a true believer when it comes to preventative measures like seat belts and vaccines.
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Because that is your reality. There is no way any business is going to keep people out if they didn't get the flu shot.

People who don't drive, don't get auto insurance. Even though it prevents bankruptcy.

I'm not rolling the dice. I don't get sick. But I don't sit on airplanes for a living either. I might have a different outlook if I didn't live in the mts, away from the hordes.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The bottom line is you can't guarantee it and are intentionally dodging a proactive preventative measure of protection. Your choice even though I support businesses, schools and other public areas denying you permission to enter if there is a national medical emergency.

My career has taken me all around the world a couple of times. Having been sick with unknown viruses a handful of times, a few car crashes and one plane mishap, I'm a true believer when it comes to preventative measures like seat belts and vaccines.
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Ironically, that is the exact reason I don't get a flu shot that rarely works.
 
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