Unfortunately Von Brunn is not the exception.

Dixie said:
No, you liberals tend to keep your bigotry and prejudice under your hat, and appease your guilty conscience by passing things into law, like Affirmative Action. So you can't meet the burden of proof. Grow up and just admit that instead of piling on more speculative BS...that makes you look like a liar.

For the record, you've not shown a mainstream conservative voice which has expressed Von Brunn's views either. That hasn't stopped you from tepidly implying that to be the case.
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Are you shitting me? Ever hear of Rush Limbaugh? This clown was given the Republican Congressional Medal of Distinction

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/latestnews.aspx
http://newsone.blackplanet.com/elections/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/
 
Taichiliberal said:
Are you shitting me? Ever hear of Rush Limbaugh? This clown was given the Republican Congressional Medal of Distinction

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/latestnews.aspx
http://newsone.blackplanet.com/elections/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/
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Well, at least you're not lying about your intentions anymore, like you did earlier in this thread. I guess that's a step in the right direction.

Please post for us, the quotes from Limbaugh, which coincide with the extremist viewpoints of Von Brunn? I won't be holding my breath, because I think we are all mature enough to know the truth is, Limbaugh has NEVER articulated such ideas, and if he ever did, he would be off the air before he could finish the show.
 
Taichiliberal said:
McCain criticized the Shrub, was villified by the neocon driven GOP during the 2008 campaign as NOT a true conservative. Do the reasearch if you don't believe me.

O'Reilly has gone on record as criticizing both McCain and the Shrub when they deviated or disagreed with the PNAC agenda or what neocons consider true conservatism on key issues. Do the reasearch if you don't believe me.

The same thing can be said for the Weekly Standard and Fox News.

Yet NONE of these entities would EVER be considered "liberal".

Like I tried to educate you before, genius.....folk like Von Brunn were so extreme that they hated ANYONE who deviated from their own particular brand of values....EVEN THOUGH THOSE PEOPLE MAY HAVE SHARED MANY OF THEIR VIEWPOINTS PREVIOUSLY, BE THEY SOCIAL AND/OR POLITICAL. Case in point, Von Brunn was on the bandwagon about the "liberal" media persecuting Sarah Palin.

So if you're done rolling your eyes and shrugging, maybe you can honestly answer the question I put to: Can you produce the names of bonafide "liberals" that have stated the same racist viewpoints as Von Brunn? If you can't then you were wrong. Grow up.
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You confused criticism with hate.
 
Taichiliberal said:
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So if you're done rolling your eyes and shrugging, maybe you can honestly answer the question I put to: Can you produce the names of bonafide "liberals" that have stated the same racist viewpoints as Von Brunn? If you can't then you were wrong. Because all you've done is given me some absurd conjecture from willfully ignorant neocon bloggers who make generalized states, relate to half of history and fill the rest with supposition. Someone should clue in your source material authors that fascism like that of Mussolini's Italy was NOT liberal...the National Front in England HATES people of African and Arab/Indian descent. Oh and Chomsky is NOT a Holocaust denier....Never has been and NONE of his writings suggest or allude to such. Hate mongers latch onto ANYONE who criticizes the policies of the Israeli gov't...take bits and parts, and attach their racist propaganda to it. You have Jewish people calling other Jews "self hating" because they criticize Israel, and their is an entire sect of Hasidic Jews that will point to scripture to bolster their claim that the State of Israel was a creation of man's politics that doesn't follow the prophetic teachings. These people are NOT Holocaust deniers or anti-semites...but bigots and racists will take parts of their message to claim a false legitimacy for their racism. (hate the Jew, but agree with him at the same time? Can you say convoluted, boys and girls?)

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I assert that the Democrat Party is racist based on their historical resistance of civil rights, use of the KKK as a terrorist wing, later segregation laws, and now by Affirmative Action. *shrug*
 
Taichiliberal said:
So according to the assholes that gave us the last 8 years and their punditry...if you criticize neocons, you're an anti-semite. I swear the convoluted logic behind that BS would be funny if it weren't so pathetic once people read COMPREHENSIVELY the recent history and who is involved. Someone needs to clue this joker in.

From the Merriam-webster dictionary:

Neoconservatism

1 : a former liberal espousing political conservatism
2 : a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

FYI - "neo" means "new"

And here's a breakdown of how neoconservatism has taken in our political arena:

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=19618

which is appropo to this little ditty and it's authors

http://www.newamericancentury.org/



Now this bloggers article expresses the OPINION that he doesn't like Obama and is not happy with what might happen with his foreign policy regarding Israel....and makes a LOT of accusations that Obama's campaign decisions happpened EXACTLY like he stated. Unfortunately, there is no corroboration from other sources. He's more than entitled to his opinion and theories.....but they are NOT conclusive facts as he states them.

And again, WHERE IS THE EXACT ANTI-SEMETIC RANTINGS QUOTE FROM OBAMA THAT YOU FIND THROUGHOUT Von Brunn's history of writings. Also, where are the FACTS that Obama is producing some sort of anti-Israel foreign policy. Remember, criticism of Israel/Palestine situation is not automatically anti-semetic.

I'm still waiting for an honest anwer.
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If the "code word" definition was in M-W, then it would no longer be a code word. Consider yourself educated on this fact as well as the code word definition of neocon. *shrug*
 
Taichiliberal said:
And his song was dead accurate, given that Jim Crow laws still existed in the South until the early 1960's....a matter of history, a matter of FACT. Shrug that one off, chuckles.
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A Dixie indicated, the song was written a decade later. Mr. Young didn't portray these events in a historical perspective at all.
 
So if you're done rolling your eyes and shrugging, maybe you can honestly answer the question I put to: Can you produce the names of bonafide "liberals" that have stated the same racist viewpoints as Von Brunn? If you can't then you were wrong. Because all you've done is given me some absurd conjecture from willfully ignorant neocon bloggers who make generalized states, relate to half of history and fill the rest with supposition. Someone should clue in your source material authors that fascism like that of Mussolini's Italy was NOT liberal...the National Front in England HATES people of African and Arab/Indian descent. Oh and Chomsky is NOT a Holocaust denier....Never has been and NONE of his writings suggest or allude to such. Hate mongers latch onto ANYONE who criticizes the policies of the Israeli gov't...take bits and parts, and attach their racist propaganda to it. You have Jewish people calling other Jews "self hating" because they criticize Israel, and their is an entire sect of Hasidic Jews that will point to scripture to bolster their claim that the State of Israel was a creation of man's politics that doesn't follow the prophetic teachings. These people are NOT Holocaust deniers or anti-semites...but bigots and racists will take parts of their message to claim a false legitimacy for their racism. (hate the Jew, but agree with him at the same time? Can you say convoluted, boys and girls?)
Southern Man said:
I assert that the Democrat Party is racist based on their historical resistance of civil rights, use of the KKK as a terrorist wing, later segregation laws, and now by Affirmative Action. *shrug*
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You "assert" a lot of things, but when taken to task with facts and the logic derived from them, you can't provide anything to support your claims other than half truths and along with your supposition and conjecture. Your answer here just side steps the facts that I disproved the previous bunk you posted, and (once again) you avoid answering a simple question of one of your previous statements. Of course, since you don't have a leg to stand on, you just shrug. That and a metro card will only get you on the bus, bunky....but it can't pass for an honest fact based debate point. But deep down, you know that.
 
Dixie said:
Well, at least you're not lying about your intentions anymore, like you did earlier in this thread. I guess that's a step in the right direction.

Please post for us, the quotes from Limbaugh, which coincide with the extremist viewpoints of Von Brunn? I won't be holding my breath, because I think we are all mature enough to know the truth is, Limbaugh has NEVER articulated such ideas, and if he ever did, he would be off the air before he could finish the show.
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Right...there's nothing bigoted or racist in the quotations from Limbaugh that I gave you. And Von Brunn never articulated any similar views on the same subject, according to you.

Major parts of Von Brunns writings contain bigoted slights against black folk, and Rush tries to pass off similar bigotry as "entertaining view points". :rolleyes:

Quit stalling.....you keep making claims and statements that display your ignorance of the subject matter, and when proven wrong you just keep expanding the request list. Like I said before, I'm tired of doing the homework for the willfully ignorant neocon parrot. But you've created your yes/no BS dodge, and will repeat it ad nauseum while avoiding all else.....not surprising.
 
McCain criticized the Shrub, was villified by the neocon driven GOP during the 2008 campaign as NOT a true conservative. Do the reasearch if you don't believe me.

O'Reilly has gone on record as criticizing both McCain and the Shrub when they deviated or disagreed with the PNAC agenda or what neocons consider true conservatism on key issues. Do the reasearch if you don't believe me.

The same thing can be said for the Weekly Standard and Fox News.

Yet NONE of these entities would EVER be considered "liberal".

Like I tried to educate you before, genius.....folk like Von Brunn were so extreme that they hated ANYONE who deviated from their own particular brand of values....EVEN THOUGH THOSE PEOPLE MAY HAVE SHARED MANY OF THEIR VIEWPOINTS PREVIOUSLY, BE THEY SOCIAL AND/OR POLITICAL. Case in point, Von Brunn was on the bandwagon about the "liberal" media persecuting Sarah Palin.

So if you're done rolling your eyes and shrugging, maybe you can honestly answer the question I put to: Can you produce the names of bonafide "liberals" that have stated the same racist viewpoints as Von Brunn? If you can't then you were wrong. Grow up.
Southern Man said:
You confused criticism with hate.
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Oh stop acting like a stubborn child....YOU set the standard, and I provided proof within that standard that your contention was WRONG. Now you try to change the standard YOU set. Grow up.
 
Southern Man said:
A Dixie indicated, the song was written a decade later. Mr. Young didn't portray these events in a historical perspective at all.
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Here's what I told the other deluded neocon parrot:

If you're young, I'll excuse your ignorant rants because the school systems just are not what they use to be. If not....so much more to pity you.

Do a little research about 1968, master mind....what occured, who were the major players pro & con (I'm sick and tired of doing other's homework). Neil Young's song is about what he experienced. Apologist for bigots and racists are always trying to pretend that everything magically changed over night with regards to the Civil Rights movment. They highlight the positives, and ignore the negatives.

But unfortunately for jokers like you (and the rest of us) Von Brunn is a sobering reminder that old habits....and mindsets....die hard in this country.

Carry on, you Confederate flag waving cretin.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
So according to the assholes that gave us the last 8 years and their punditry...if you criticize neocons, you're an anti-semite. I swear the convoluted logic behind that BS would be funny if it weren't so pathetic once people read COMPREHENSIVELY the recent history and who is involved. Someone needs to clue this joker in.

From the Merriam-webster dictionary:

Neoconservatism

1 : a former liberal espousing political conservatism
2 : a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

FYI - "neo" means "new"

And here's a breakdown of how neoconservatism has taken in our political arena:

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=19618

which is appropo to this little ditty and it's authors

http://www.newamericancentury.org/



Now this bloggers article expresses the OPINION that he doesn't like Obama and is not happy with what might happen with his foreign policy regarding Israel....and makes a LOT of accusations that Obama's campaign decisions happpened EXACTLY like he stated. Unfortunately, there is no corroboration from other sources. He's more than entitled to his opinion and theories.....but they are NOT conclusive facts as he states them.

And again, WHERE IS THE EXACT ANTI-SEMETIC RANTINGS QUOTE FROM OBAMA THAT YOU FIND THROUGHOUT Von Brunn's history of writings. Also, where are the FACTS that Obama is producing some sort of anti-Israel foreign policy. Remember, criticism of Israel/Palestine situation is not automatically anti-semetic.

I'm still waiting for an honest anwer.

Southern Man said:
If the "code word" definition was in M-W, then it would no longer be a code word. Consider yourself educated on this fact as well as the code word definition of neocon. *shrug*
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Oh stop BS'ing.....everytime you're proven wrong on one point, you create some other nonsense as a deterent to admitting you were wrong. Stop being a child, grow up and answer a simple question about a statement YOU made. I'll wait.
 
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