Was 2020 election stolen or not?

[Into the Night]

Exactly. So it is equally true to say there are no democracies on earth which do not have a constitution.

Not quite. Democracies have no constitution, whether a democracy exists or not.

 

[Into the Night]

the world or the state of things as they actually exist.
Hobbits exist. Are they real?

For example, the document certifying the Georgia electoral votes and signed by the electors as established by the George legislature is reality.

It is not.
Georgia never chose electors.

"he Secretary of State shall also, upon receiving the certified returns for presidential electors, proceed to tabulate, compute, and canvass the votes cast for each slate of presidential electors and shall immediately lay them before the Governor.  Not later than 5:00 P.M. on the seventeenth day following the date on which such election was conducted, the Secretary of State shall certify the votes cast for all candidates described in subparagraph (a)(4)(A) of Code Section 21-2-497 and upon all questions voted for by the electors of more than one county and shall no later than that same time lay the returns for presidential electors before the Governor.  The Governor shall enumerate and ascertain the number of votes for each person so voted and shall certify the slates of presidential electors receiving the highest number of votes.  The Governor shall certify the slates of presidential electors no later than 5:00 P.M. on the eighteenth day following the date on which such election was conducted.  Notwithstanding the deadlines specified in this Code section, such times may be altered for just cause by an order of a judge of superior court of this state."

Only the legislature has the authority to choose the electors for a State. Not the governor. See Article II.

The Georgia law passed under its constitutional authority to appoint legislatures in the manner it determines.

The Georgia State legislature does not have authority to change the constitution of the State of Georgia.

 

[Into the Night]

I said nothing "in theory" but just stated historical fact. You did not prove any statement to be inaccurate but you misstate how the electoral college works in practice.

If you mean that in theory an elector who does not vote for the candidate winning the popular vote is "superseding the will of the majority" that point only applies to that single elector(s). The fact that all the other electoral votes from that state all voted for the popular vote winner means that state's electoral votes went to the winner of the vote (the plurality or majority).

If, for example, 37 electors vote for the winner of the popular vote and 1 does not, it is a real stretch to claim the will of the majority is being thwarted. Especially since none of those faith electors has ever changed the outcome of the presidential election.

Using your logic, if the popular vote winner won 46% of the popular vote the will of the majority is being thwarted because the majority actually voted against the winner.



I'm not sure what you are referring to, but the Constitution gives the states power to make decisions administering elections although it also gives Congress the power to make laws for federal elections.




The Federalist Papers were not written until after the Constitution was completed. They were written to influence the states to ratify the new document. Very true the three authors all had very different views (especially Hamilton), but #10 is valuable in describing the purpose of government and the best kind of government to achieve those goals.



I never stated my opinions or convictions about the electoral college, I only described how it operates and the history of its operation.

It is simple fact that no faithless electors have ever affected the outcome of a presidential election.

The President is not elected by popular vote.

 

[Into the Night]

You obviously can't distinguish between fact and opinion. It is not an "opinion/stance" to state that any faithless electors never affected the outcome of a presidential election which was my original point. That involves no opinion on my part. If you disagree with that fact please show your proof.

It is an opinion. Attempted proof on subjective term.

The Federalist Papers were not written until after the Constitution was completed and was an analysis of its provisions.

Irrelevant.

Obviously it did not include any amendments because they were not part of the original document (including the Bill of Rights).

Irrelevant.

The founders did provide for the amending process which shows they were aware of the need for future changes.

Part of any constitution. So?

That includes the 12th which changed the way the electoral college functions.

It does not, however, determine how the members of the electoral college are chosen by the State legislatures.

 

[Flash]

Congress was synthesizing electoral votes. So was Pence.

Yes, by counting them and announcing the winner which is their constitutional duty. They did so successfully despite attempts by others to interfere in the election process.

 

[Flash]

The President is not elected by popular vote.

You keep repeating what everyone already knows. Nobody suggested the president is selected by popular votes. But, popular votes select which slate of electoral votes casts its votes in the electoral college as provided by state law.

 

[Flash]

It is an opinion. Attempted proof on subjective term.

Not subjective. It has a precise meaning to those knowledgeable of the topic.

It does not, however, determine how the members of the electoral college are chosen by the State legislatures.

That is done by the state legislatures who have delegated that authority to the voters of each state. In no state does the legislature actually select electors other than "under their authority."

 

[Port Tack]

^LyingVagina426 believes in the Biden miracle.

Should we call the 2020 turnout the Biden Miracle??? He beat Obama's RECORD turnout by FIVE percentage points. A Candidate that couldn't remember where he was, generated little excitement and whose only campaign plan was "anyone BUT Trump?"

Turnout was higher by 23,021,181 voters????

Turnout statistics
1980 52.8%
1984 53.3%
1988 50.3%
1992 55.2%
1996 49.0%
2000 50.3%
2004 55.7%
2008 57.1%
2012 53.8%
2016 54.8%
2020 62.0%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections

Trump was such a flaming asshole I would say "anyone but trump" was a pretty good campaign plan.

 

[Port Tack]

^This is why you cannot argue with lying dumb fucks like LyingVagina426. It's better to just point at lying dumb fucks and laugh.

What a fucking juvenile retort. And 2 more fucking juveniles thought enough of it to thank it?

 

[Flash]

Trump was such a flaming asshole I would say "anyone but trump" was a pretty good campaign plan.

And it increased voter turnout by 23 million. Any voter suppression was obviously unsuccessful.

 

[reagansghost]

And it increased voter turnout by 23 million. Any voter suppression was obviously unsuccessful.

which explains why 25 GOP state legislatures have passed voter suppression laws since 2020

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You deny the Constitution of the United States all the time, liar.

When you can prove that, INT, I'll apologize to you, IBDa, gfm and any other of your "friends".

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, by counting them and announcing the winner which is their constitutional duty.

Congress is not authorized to synthesize electoral votes.

They did so successfully despite attempts by others to interfere in the election process.

There was no election process. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

You keep repeating what everyone already knows.

Apparently you don't.

Nobody suggested the president is selected by popular votes.

You did.

But, popular votes select which slate of electoral votes casts its votes in the electoral college as provided by state law.

You did it again, and you are wrong yet again.

The President is not elected by popular vote. Only the legislature of a State is authorized to choose the electors. See Article II.

 

[Into the Night]

Not subjective.

Yes it is.

It has a precise meaning to those knowledgeable of the topic.

No, it doesn't. You are making a subjective statement.

That is done by the state legislatures who have delegated that authority to the voters of each state. In no state does the legislature actually select electors other than "under their authority."

They cannot delegate that authority away. See Article II of the Constitution of the United States (which you do not recognize as the law).

 

[Into the Night]

which explains why 25 GOP state legislatures have passed voter suppression laws since 2020

None have attempted to suppress the vote. Only the Democrats are doing that, by committing election fraud.

 

[Into the Night]

When you can prove that, INT, I'll apologize to you, IBDa, gfm and any other of your "friends".

Your own statements prove it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Your own statements prove it.

Only to you and your "friends". Sane people haven't seen me post any such thing.

 

[Into the Night]

Only to you and your "friends". Sane people haven't seen me post any such thing.

Psychoquackery. Lie.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Psychoquackery. Lie.