Obama Apology Tour

Mottleydude said:
I pulled a good one today. I was at the local cigar shop in Dublin having a smoke with the guys (Jim Furic actually came in after playing in the first round of the Memorial and bought a box). We were watching the news coverage of Obama's speech today when a wingnut walked in and said "What's he selling now?". With out missing a beat I yelled "Chickenhawks!". Everyone cracked up and the wingnut left in a huff. LOL
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Good one, I love it!
 
Whomever said:
Rethought and I stand by my post. The leaders of the jewish church were jews? They were responsible for his death, Pilate gave them an out and they wanted Jesus executed. And I think it was more than just the leaders. It was the conservative jews. The liberal Jews liked Jesus.
Darned conservatives!
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Yeah, something to be proud of...

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Anti-Semitism

Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution. Anti-Semitism has a long history, extending back to the Greco-Roman world and culminating in the Nazi Holocaust. Before the nineteenth century, most anti-Semitism was religiously motivated, based on oft-repeated Christian allegations that the Jews had killed Jesus, and that their refusal to accept Jesus as the Messiah made them reprobates who deserved second-class status. Judaism was the only large religious minority after Christianity became the official religion of Europe and so suffered from discriminatory legislation, persecution and violence. Religious anti-Semitism (sometimes called anti-Judaism) usually did not affect those of Jewish ancestry who had converted to another religion—the Spanish Inquisition being the notable exception.
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ib1yysguy said:
Tinfoil, when is the last time you posted a real response to anything anyone has said?
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when i gave a shit about the morons who post here. You guys are hardly worth any effort whatsoever. Fark.com has better conversation and more informative threads. This site is a pure trolling outlet. It's all you are, and it's all you'll get from me.
 
tinfoil said:
when i gave a shit about the morons who post here. You guys are hardly worth any effort whatsoever. Fark.com has better conversation and more informative threads. This site is a pure trolling outlet. It's all you are, and it's all you'll get from me.
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Question: Then why are you here if there are so many other wonderful sites you can visit with so many wonderful posters?

Do you not think it more than a bit discourteous to the administration of this site to come here and advertise another site?

Could it be that you're simply a troll and trolling is all you have?
 
The Founding Fathers intent was that this would not be a christian nation.

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible...Some books on Deism fell into my hands...It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared much stronger than the refutations; in short I soon became a thorough deist."
-Benjamin Franklin, "Toward the Mystery" (autobiography)

"When the clergy addressed General Washington on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation, that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address, as to force him at length to declare publicly whether he was a Christian or not. They did so. However, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly except that, which he passed over without notice....he never did say a word of it in any of his public papers...Governor Morris has often told me that General Washington believed no more of that (Christian) system than he himself did.
-Thomas Jefferson, diary entry, 2/1/1799

"As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion, - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of of Musselmen (Muslims), - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-Treaty of Tripoli, signed into law by John Adams




As for the Declaration of Independence, it is a beautfiul document but has no bearing on our laws and on our nation other than as a historical artifact.
 
WinterBorn said:
The Founding Fathers intent was that this would not be a christian nation.

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible...Some books on Deism fell into my hands...It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared much stronger than the refutations; in short I soon became a thorough deist."
-Benjamin Franklin, "Toward the Mystery" (autobiography)

"When the clergy addressed General Washington on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation, that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address, as to force him at length to declare publicly whether he was a Christian or not. They did so. However, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly except that, which he passed over without notice....he never did say a word of it in any of his public papers...Governor Morris has often told me that General Washington believed no more of that (Christian) system than he himself did.
-Thomas Jefferson, diary entry, 2/1/1799

"As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion, - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of of Musselmen (Muslims), - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-Treaty of Tripoli, signed into law by John Adams




As for the Declaration of Independence, it is a beautfiul document but has no bearing on our laws and on our nation other than as a historical artifact.
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1. There are just as many quotes that counter your claim.
2. Your quote from the Treaty of Tripoli is from an earlier version that was later amended; that language was removed.
3. The Declaration of Independence is the Founding Document of the US. It is the essence of our laws.
 
Southern Man said:
1. There are just as many quotes that counter your claim.
2. Your quote from the Treaty of Tripoli is from an earlier version that was later amended; that language was removed.
3. The Declaration of Independence is the Founding Document of the US. It is the essence of our laws.
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George Washington was not a christian. He did not attend church except as a perfuntory social obligation or to staisfy his wife and he even avoided answering when the clergy tried to pin him down on it as he left office.

The Treaty of Tripoli stood as I quoted it for 8 years. The entire treaty was rewritten and signed later and did not include those famous lines.

But it is documented that the original treaty was read aloud on the floor of the Senate and that copies of the treaty were distributed to all the members. And they all voted to accept the treaty. There is no documentation of any objection by the senate of the wording of the treaty. So it is obvious that the senate accepted and agreed with the statement that this is not a christian nation.

As far as the Declaration of Independence goes it is a document that details our rebellious intentions against England. It lists grievances of the thirteen colonies. It came before our government existed at all. And the mention of a creator does not in any way indicate a christian government or even a christian god. You want to interpret it that way. And when the founding fathers did form our government they made sure that it was not a christian nation and that the government could not advocate for or follow any religion's doctrines.
 
TuTu Monroe said:
You are both wrong. The US is the 3rd largest country. I guess you didn't take it in school either.:)
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No you didn't. The USA is the 4th largest country geographically. Russia, Canada and China are all larger.

China has disputed territories with India that they administer. If you don't include those, the USA is slightly larger. Considering that the populations of these regions are laragely Chinese and are administered by China, it's only reasonable to include these regions geographically as part of China and thus making China slightly larger than the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_outlying_territories_by_total_area
 
Southern Man said:
1. There are just as many quotes that counter your claim.
2. Your quote from the Treaty of Tripoli is from an earlier version that was later amended; that language was removed.
3. The Declaration of Independence is the Founding Document of the US. It is the essence of our laws.
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Where does the Declaration of Independence mention anything about Christianity? Please show me.
 
WinterBorn said:
George Washington was not a christian. He did not attend church except as a perfuntory social obligation or to staisfy his wife and he even avoided answering when the clergy tried to pin him down on it as he left office.

The Treaty of Tripoli stood as I quoted it for 8 years. The entire treaty was rewritten and signed later and did not include those famous lines.

But it is documented that the original treaty was read aloud on the floor of the Senate and that copies of the treaty were distributed to all the members. And they all voted to accept the treaty. There is no documentation of any objection by the senate of the wording of the treaty. So it is obvious that the senate accepted and agreed with the statement that this is not a christian nation.

As far as the Declaration of Independence goes it is a document that details our rebellious intentions against England. It lists grievances of the thirteen colonies. It came before our government existed at all. And the mention of a creator does not in any way indicate a christian government or even a christian god. You want to interpret it that way. And when the founding fathers did form our government they made sure that it was not a christian nation and that the government could not advocate for or follow any religion's doctrines.
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I think only someone very uninformed about American History would try to claim that our founding fathers tried to build anything but a secular government. Having said that, one of the purpose of that was not to eliminate religion and its good works from our public life but rather to promote religious diversity and its positive influence as well as promoting religious freedom. They succeeded spectaculorly as our nation is not only one of the most religious as documented by the numbers of our citizens who attend houses of worship each week but by the sheer numbers of these houses of worship and their diversity.

Evengelicals fail to recognise either point.
 
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