Was 2020 election stolen or not?

[Taichiliberal]

The President is not elected by popular vote.

Yes they did. They found election fraud by Democrats. Nowhere near what happened in 2020 though. Those that were found were prosecuted, tried, and jailed.

He was right.

Not legal in many States.

There was no election in 2020. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

Fraud occurred. You can't make the evidence go away.

Lie. You can't make the evidence go away.

A recount is not an investigation. Counting the same fake ballots again changes nothing. Investigations are ongoing. You can't make the evidence go away.

No, they haven't. Hallucination.

There was no election to certify. Congress does not certify elections.

1. True, but the electoral vote is SUPPOSED to reflect the majority vote (popular) of the state. Now common sense tells one that if the popular vote goes to candidate A, then so should the electoral vote. BUT, once behind the blind/curtain, THERE IS NO WAY TO FORCE THE ELECTORAL REP TO VOTE THE STATE MAJORITY WAY. This is why many people are calling for the end of the electoral college, as it was originially enacted to insure equal representation from early post colonial states that had a sparse WHITE population (not superceded by native folk or slaves or a combination of both). The dubiousness of using this antiquated system is what stuck in Cheeto Jeezus' craw, because his ego couldn't stand the fact that the true "one man, one vote" edict in American DIDN'T WANT HIM.

2. Provide proof of what you say, because Cheeto Jeezus commission couldn't https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

3. Really? Prove it....because even the GOP leadership wasn't buying that BS..... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ublican-leaders-who-say-biden-won/6382054002/ And remember, McConnell & company voted to certify the Biden win was on Jan. 6th. That didn't go well for the Cheeto Jeezus fanatics, did it?

4. Prove it, because NO STATE pushed to post pone the election, and therefore made preparations to accomodate the situation. If you have proof that at a state refused mail in ballots in 2020, produce it. Otherwise, you're just lying.

5. See #2 & #3.

6. A recount was called in various states to insure that ALL THE BALLOTS WERE COUNTED. As for your parroted claims of fraud, see #2 & #3.

7. Yes, I believe you are hallucinating...all that junk food and junk TV a'la Alex Jones, Fox News QANON and Candace Owens. See #2 & #3.

8. Then you need to get that crack out of your pipe, son...because the WORLD witnessed the blow by blow coverage of the 2020 election. And FYI, state reps count the electoral votes to certifiy the winner of a Presidential election...you know..MEMBERS OF CONGRESS! That's what your moronic compadres were trying to stop on Jan. 6th. Get educated man!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how-congress-certifies-electoral-college-results-what-to-know

 

[Flash]

1. True, but the electoral vote is SUPPOSED to reflect the majority vote (popular) of the state. Now common sense tells one that if the popular vote goes to candidate A, then so should the electoral vote. BUT, once behind the blind/curtain, THERE IS NO WAY TO FORCE THE ELECTORAL REP TO VOTE THE STATE MAJORITY WAY. This is why many people are calling for the end of the electoral college,

This is not an issue in practice since very few electors fail to vote for the candidate to which they are pledged. 30 states have laws binding electors although they are not enforceable but they can be punished.

However, in 2016 CO voted for Clinton and one of the electors voted for Kasich. That elector was removed and in 2020 the Supreme Court upheld the power of CO to remove the elector.

I don't think people are calling for the end of the electoral college because of faithless electors (since there are so few) but because the popular vote winner does not always win the electoral vote.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

1. True, but the electoral vote is SUPPOSED to reflect the majority vote (popular) of the state. Now common sense tells one that if the popular vote goes to candidate A, then so should the electoral vote. BUT, once behind the blind/curtain, THERE IS NO WAY TO FORCE THE ELECTORAL REP TO VOTE THE STATE MAJORITY WAY. This is why many people are calling for the end of the electoral college..

This is not an issue in practice since very few electors fail to vote for the candidate to which they are pledged. 30 states have laws binding electors although they are not enforceable but they can be punished.

However, in 2016 CO voted for Clinton and one of the electors voted for Kasich. That elector was removed and in 2020 the Supreme Court upheld the power of CO to remove the elector.

I don't think people are calling for the end of the electoral college because of faithless electors (since there are so few) but because the popular vote winner does not always win the electoral vote.

Agreed on your reasoning.

IMO, there’s at least three big problems with the LWLs whining about the Electoral College;

You are correct; it’s because they lost two elections which, by a very small margin, won the popular vote.

Another problem is that they are pissing against the wind because there’s no fucking way an Amendment to the Constitution is ever going to pass in today’s toxic political environment. Both parties have been moving further and further apart over the past 25 years until they’ve reached the point of only serving themselves, not all Americans.

The American voting population itself is split nearly 50/50 and has done so for decades which is why the 2000 and 2016 elections were so close . Even the 2020 election, albeit with a slightly greater margin, was split 51.3% to 46.9%**. Both parties, and their respective extremists, rarely recognize how closely divided is the American voting population. This doesn’t even touch upon an abysmal voter turnout rate. “In 2020, 67% of all citizens age 18 and older reported voting, up 5 percentage points from 2016”


**The 1.8% remainder are 3rd party voters (including yours truly). In 2016 it was popular vote split was 46.1% to 48.2% (Hillary) with 5.7% third party voters (including mine). The 3.9% swing of Independents from 3rd party in 2016 to Biden in 202 is a significant shift when the margins are so close.

 

[Into the Night]

Several here really do believe it just like they believe masks don’t work.

Masks don't work to stop a virus. They are utterly useless for that purpose.

 

[Hawkeye10]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1399812234432290816

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed generally, but it’s a large minority. Consider that 30% of the 140Mish voters in 2020 are Republicans, about 42M about half of whom are male (21M) and half of them won’t get a vaccination. Over 10M idiots who believe masks don’t work and that vaccinations contain tracking devices. Sure, that’s a minority but they’re an influential minority.

Yes, it’s sad. IMO, simple stupidity accounts for part of it but a failure of leadership accounts for the majority of it.

Argument from randU fallacy. You are making up numbers again. Insult fallacies. Bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1399812234432290816

There is no democracy in the world today. The United States was never a democracy. It was organized as a federated republic.

 

[Hawkeye10]

There is no democracy in the world today. The United States was never a democracy. It was organized as a federated republic.

I feel like you missed the point through over thinking.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Dave Rubin is not in the top tier of the people I listen to but he is pretty good. He would be a great person to have a drink with.

 

[Into the Night]

1. True, but the electoral vote is SUPPOSED to reflect the majority vote

It never was. See the Constitution of the United States. States don't even need to hold elections for President.

(popular) of the state.

Different States have different ways for the legislature to choose it's electors. Not a one size fits all, dude.

Now common sense tells one that if the popular vote goes to candidate A, then so should the electoral vote.

Nope. The electoral vote is not the popular vote.

BUT, once behind the blind/curtain, THERE IS NO WAY TO FORCE THE ELECTORAL REP TO VOTE THE STATE MAJORITY WAY.

True. So?

This is why many people are calling for the end of the electoral college, as it was originially enacted to insure equal representation from early post colonial states that had a sparse WHITE population (not superceded by native folk or slaves or a combination of both).

Not the purpose of the electoral college. See the federalist papers and the Constitution of the United States.

The dubiousness of using this antiquated system

Presentism fallacy. The Constitution is not canceled because it's old. You are simply refusing to recognize the Constitution of the United States nor the constitution of any State. You WANT an oligarchy.

is what stuck in Cheeto Jeezus' craw, because his ego couldn't stand the fact that the true "one man, one vote" edict in American DIDN'T WANT HIM.

No such edict. See the Constitution of the United States.

2. Provide proof of what you say, because Cheeto Jeezus commission couldn't https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

PBS can't make the evidence go away either. Neither can you.

3. Really? Prove it....because even the GOP leadership wasn't buying that BS..... ...deleted Holy Link...

I have already listed some of the evidence. Anyone can go look for it. RQAA.

And remember, McConnell & company voted to certify the Biden win was on Jan. 6th.

They do not have authority to certify electors or an election.

That didn't go well for the Cheeto Jeezus fanatics, did it?

No. A coup by the Democrats is so far successful. How long will it remain in force I wonder?

4. Prove it, because NO STATE pushed to post pone the election,

There was no election. There is nothing to postpone.

and therefore made preparations to accomodate the situation.

There was no need to make special accommodations for anything. If people can go grocery shopping with masks, people can certainly go out and vote.

If you have proof that at a state refused mail in ballots in 2020, produce it.

Part of the election fraud, dude. You can't just change the law like that without constitutional amendments.

Otherwise, you're just lying.

Nope. Election fraud.

6. A recount was called in various states to insure that ALL THE BALLOTS WERE COUNTED. As for your parroted claims of fraud, see #2 & #3.

Counting the same fake ballots changes nothing.

7. Yes, I believe you are hallucinating...all that junk food and junk TV a'la Alex Jones, Fox News QANON and Candace Owens. See #2 & #3.

Psychoquackery. You can't make the evidence just disappear, dude.

8. Then you need to get that crack out of your pipe, son...because the WORLD witnessed the blow by blow coverage of the 2020 election.

There was no 2020 election.

And FYI, state reps count the electoral votes to certifiy the winner of a Presidential election...you know..MEMBERS OF CONGRESS!

They do not have authority to certify State elections for the electors. See the Constitution of the United States.

That's what your moronic compadres were trying to stop on Jan. 6th.

They should. Installing Biden and supporting the coup is treason.

Get educated man!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how-congress-certifies-electoral-college-results-what-to-know

Congress does not certify elections for the electoral college. They do not have authority to.

 

[Into the Night]

This is not an issue in practice since very few electors fail to vote for the candidate to which they are pledged.

Generally true.

30 states have laws binding electors although they are not enforceable but they can be punished.

Unconstitutional.

However, in 2016 CO voted for Clinton and one of the electors voted for Kasich. That elector was removed and in 2020 the Supreme Court upheld the power of CO to remove the elector.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

I don't think people are calling for the end of the electoral college because of faithless electors (since there are so few) but because the popular vote winner does not always win the electoral vote.

The President is not elected by popular vote.

 

[Into the Night]

I feel like you missed the point through over thinking.

Not a bit of it. Schools today teach that the United States was a democracy. It never was. The schools are wrong. This is propaganda from the liberals running the schools.

A democracy has no constitution, no elected officers, no anything. It is government by popular vote.
A republic has a constitution. elected officers, and acts as a limiting factor in government power and authority, since it defines what that government is and gives it only specific powers and authorities.

The United States was organized as a federated republic. It was never a democracy. Even the Pledge of Allegiance is to the flag, and to the republic for which it stands. There also the Battle Hymn of the Republic, a hymn written during the War of Secession (what schools call the so-called 'civil war'.

It isn't about the 'left' or the 'right', or about the Democrats and the Republicans. It's about those who support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of the various States, and those who don't but want to destroy them. It is currently leaders in the Democrat party that have overthrown the federal government, the government of the former State of California, and the government of the former State of New York. To a large degree they have also overthrown the State of Hawaii. These oligarchies ally with each other. Other States of America are each deciding right now whether to ally with the oligarchies, stay independent, or attempt to reform a union with what is left.

 

[Wolverine]

Words are cheap and love is meaningless without action.

You and your boyfriend Donald Trump claimed the election was stolen by dark forces and the very fate of the Republic was on the line should Biden be inaugurated.

Your boyfriend Trump ordered you to come to DC and "fight like hell" to save him and the country. But instead you dove for cover in the face of what you claimed was an existential threat to the continued existence of the Republic.

That was not patriotic of you in the least.

Is that what you have insults? The fate of the Nation is in great peril with Communist loving Joe in the Whitehouse! Name one good thing he has done for America!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Masks don't work to stop a virus. They are utterly useless for that purpose.

Dude, pull your head out of your paranoid schizophrenic asshole and get a grip on reality: Simple masks are to prevent spreading disease. It limits the range at which an infected person can unknowingly spread flu, colds and SARS variants.

The fact you put words in my mouth is just further evidence you do not have as firm a grip on reality as you claim.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Is that what you have insults? The fate of the Nation is in great peril with Communist loving Joe in the Whitehouse! Name one good thing he has done for America!

Sane people realize that you are wrong and hope you are getting the mental health care you need, Matt.

 

[Micawber]

Sane people realize that you are wrong and hope you are getting the mental health care you need, Matt.

Why Matt? Matt Drudge? I suspected as much

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Why Matt? Matt Drudge? I suspected as much

Matt = Wolverine but I can see how Matt Drudge would be applicable too.

 

[Cypress]

Is that what you have insults? The fate of the Nation is in great peril with Communist loving Joe in the Whitehouse! Name one good thing he has done for America!

The take away-here is that you never actually genuinely believed that the election was stolen by Venezuelans or that a Biden inauguration would herald the end of the Republic.

Because on January 6th you went about your business like it was a normal day, instead of heeding Trump's orders to fight like hell to save him and the country.

 

[Flash]

Generally true.

Not just "generally", there has never been a case where there were enough faithless electors to affect the election outcome.

Unconstitutional. The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

Nope, they didn't change the Constitution. They interpreted it exactly as written. The Constitution gives states the power to select electors and removing an elector who did not vote as pledged is a part of the selection process.

You argued so yourself when you claimed the state legislatures were going to replace Biden electors with those supporting Trump. If the Constitution allows the state to replace an entire slate of electors who voted as pledged it certainly would allow the replacement of a single elector who did not vote as pledged.

The President is not elected by popular vote.

Exactly my point. Those wanting to replace the electoral college do not want to do so because of faithless electors, but because the popular vote winner is not always the electoral college winner; thus, they want to abolish the EC so that popular votes determine the winner.

 

[Into the Night]

Dude, pull your head out of your paranoid schizophrenic asshole and get a grip on reality:

Insult fallacies. Buzzword fallacy.

Simple masks are to prevent spreading disease.

Masks are completely incapable of stopping any virus.

It limits the range at which an infected person can unknowingly spread flu, colds and SARS variants.

Masks are useless for this purpose. They cannot stop any virus.

The fact you put words in my mouth is just further evidence you do not have as firm a grip on reality as you claim.

Still trying to deny what you said? Buzzword fallacy. Denial of self argument.