Tennessee bans teaching critical race theory in schools

[Dutch Uncle]

This is an attempt by Republican Gov. Bill Lee to indoctrinate the young people of his state with right wing ideology, by limiting the flow of information that is not consistent with the right wing way of thinking, the picture that you posted is an example how this was once achieved, and you can look at history for the results.

While I tend to agree, it's also backlash against the Authoritarian Left seeking to jam certain ideas down the throats of Americans. Both sides have become authoritarian, anti-American assholes seeking to impose their views and only their views on Americans.

Two wrongs never make a right.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You suspect wrong, because you're a paranoid delusional moron.

My friend's dad killed Nazis. He had 3 dried German officer ears on a dogtag chain.

True story, he also shipped home 2 Mausers and a Luger.

It drove him crazy, he was a killer.

I liked him, though. My friend's dad liberated Dachau and owned a Volksvagen.

Drank a case of Old Milwaukee every day.

I have nothing to fear from you, you're chump change, chump.

Your first few steps at warring with me would be ended in less than a second.

Dude, your posts clearly indicate you're not like your friend's father.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Dude, your posts clearly indicate you're not like your friend's father.

I'm more like him in many ways than his son. As for that being a good thing? Jury is out on that.

 

[Grumpy]

Asshole, you're a hater and all you do is bitch about my fucking language? Is that because you're too fucking stupid to look at the larger picture: That censorship is contrary to American ideals?

Consider the fucking Nazis marching in Skokie, IL. They're fucking Nazi assholes, but under our Constitution they have a First Amendment right of free speech and freedom of assembly.

Assholes like you and the fucking Democrats would seek to ban them, to silence them. I'm saying let them speak, let them have their little fucking Nazi goose-stepping parade. Others can give their reasons why they think the fucking Nazis are assholes and hateful fucking morons.

Let Freedom ring. Stop censoring it.

Protest these assholes but don't legally stop them from their First Amendment rights because it will come back to bite us:

I had thought about deleting your vulgarities before I responded ... and decided not to.

1. NO ... I do far more than that ... I respond to what is wrong with what you say ... and was that a question or a statement?

2. The issue transcends censorship ... it is about mind control of children

3. Great example ... and the ACLU nearly went bankrupt defending them (which they NEVER did again) ... and none of that battle involved CHILDREN.

4. They DO have that right ... on the street ... NOT IN THE SCHOOLS

As I said before ... the issue is NOT FREE SPEECH ... it is about NOT INDOCTRINATING CHILDREN

BTW ... if you want me to intercourse with you ... clean up your language ... I find you persistent use of vulgarities to be tedious

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I don't agree with several aspects of CRT; it's a perspective, but IMO it's not a complete one. More Unicorns and Rainbows than fact.

That said, I'm against citizens empowering their States to censor and I'm especially against the Federal government censoring anything.

It's one thing to restrict information such as porn from minors just as we restrict alcohol from minors or don't let them drive, but a full adult citizen shouldn't have to look to their State or the fucking Feds for permission to learn about something.

What happens when some do-gooders decide this book should be censored? https://www.militarynewbie.com/wp-c...ions-Handbook-1969-Department-of-the-Army.pdf
Improvised Munitions Book

Each state has the power to censor and, to an extent, so do the Feds. I do not trust such power in the hands of others because it can be too easily abused. First it's this CRT bullshit. Next it will be something more important since, as the Democrats have been doing for years with gun control, this is how it starts; one step at a time.

The problem with that is you ignore the fact that Critical Race Theory taught as it is supposed to be taught has an end goal of not educating but rather indoctrinating, propagandizing, and worst of all inciting those being taught it. Using The 1619 Project is a good example of this. The 1619 Project has been thoroughly discredited as a historical work. Even the New York Times had to admit it was just journalistic fiction posing as history. Yet, it is taught as historical fact across the US as part of many CRT curriculums.
The 1619 Project shouldn't be banned. Read it if you want. But what should be banned is allowing its use in education as an accurate historical account and resource. That is teaching a lie. We should ban that. We should never let our schools become blatant centers for political indoctrination and propagandizing students, but that's what CRT, and Critical Pedagogy does.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The problem with that is you ignore the fact that Critical Race Theory taught as it is supposed to be taught has an end goal of not educating but rather indoctrinating, propagandizing, and worst of all inciting those being taught it. Using The 1619 Project is a good example of this. The 1619 Project has been thoroughly discredited as a historical work. Even the New York Times had to admit it was just journalistic fiction posing as history. Yet, it is taught as historical fact across the US as part of many CRT curriculums.
The 1619 Project shouldn't be banned. Read it if you want. But what should be banned is allowing its use in education as an accurate historical account and resource. That is teaching a lie. We should ban that. We should never let our schools become blatant centers for political indoctrination and propagandizing students, but that's what CRT, and Critical Pedagogy does.

Why do you think that's important?

The fact remains censorship is not the solution. It's treating people like they are stupid. Sure, many are fucking morons, but most people are average or smarter.

Anyone supporting censorship or banning is empowering their government to treat everyone like they are idiots. I disagree with the philosophy and consider it contrary to the ideals of the Founders. Let people choose but try to persuade them on what is factual and true.

Example: Teach "people aren't born racists regardless of their skin tone. They have to learn to become assholes and racists" since that's about 99.95% true.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

...The issue transcends censorship ... it is about mind control of children

Jesus, asshole. How far up your ass is that bug stuck? Has it been there for long?

Mind control? WTF, Vern? Just put little aluminum beanies on them like them Jewish caps and they'll be fine. I promise.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Jesus, asshole. How far up your ass is that bug stuck? Has it been there for long?

Mind control? WTF, Vern? Just put little aluminum beanies on them like them Jewish caps and they'll be fine. I promise.

The grand goal of the Regressives is in fact the enslavement of souls...as you should know.

You advertised yourself as a truth teller.

You lied.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The grand goal of the Regressives is in fact the enslavement of souls...as you should know.

You advertised yourself as a truth teller.

You lied.

Are you drinking constantly now or do you just have an IV drip?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Why do you think that's important?

The fact remains censorship is not the solution. It's treating people like they are stupid. Sure, many are fucking morons, but most people are average or smarter.

Anyone supporting censorship or banning is empowering their government to treat everyone like they are idiots. I disagree with the philosophy and consider it contrary to the ideals of the Founders. Let people choose but try to persuade them on what is factual and true.

Example: Teach "people aren't born racists regardless of their skin tone. They have to learn to become assholes and racists" since that's about 99.95% true.

I'm not censoring anything. A history course should teach history, not use as a textbook a work of fiction. That isn't banning anything. A teacher has to be selective of the texts they use to teach their course and they should choose ones that are factual and accurate. The students can go on to read something like "The 1619 Project" down the road after they are grounded in history. Teaching it as if it were history just leads to students getting fiction instead of fact from a course using it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not censoring anything. A history course should teach history, not use as a textbook a work of fiction. That isn't banning anything. A teacher has to be selective of the texts they use to teach their course and they should choose ones that are factual and accurate. The students can go on to read something like "The 1619 Project" down the road after they are grounded in history. Teaching it as if it were history just leads to students getting fiction instead of fact from a course using it.

Dude, again, banning books and ideas are censoring information. Tennessee's choice to burn all the books they like but I disagree with the philosophy for the aforementioned reasons.

Americans should be allowed to choose without Uncle Sam telling them what to choose.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The problem with that is you ignore the fact that Critical Race Theory taught as it is supposed to be taught has an end goal of not educating but rather indoctrinating, propagandizing, and worst of all inciting those being taught it...

This link seems to give an even handed pros and cons about the CRT model.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/what-is-critical-race-theory-and-why-is-it-under-attack/2021/05
What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

IMO, the Tennessee government has had a knee jerk reaction over something they don't fully understand. They are reacting to how some people are using CRT, not what it really says. That's like the fucking liberals who want to ban all AR-15 just because a couple of mental cases shot up a place and killed people.

Wouldn't it be better to identify and help the mental cases instead of depriving all Americans of choice? Same for knowledge; less banning, more information.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Dude, again, banning books and ideas are censoring information. Tennessee's choice to burn all the books they like but I disagree with the philosophy for the aforementioned reasons.

Americans should be allowed to choose without Uncle Sam telling them what to choose.

I didn't suggest banning the book, but rather simply not using it as an accurate historical text, which it is not. Over a thousand schools use it as historical fact. That's wrong because it's a lie

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I didn't suggest banning the book, but rather simply not using it as an accurate historical text, which it is not. Over a thousand schools use it as historical fact. That's wrong because it's a lie

Tennessee banned ideas, not a book.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tennessee-bans-teaching-critical-race-theory-schools-77896695
Tennessee is the latest state to ban teachers from teaching certain concepts of race and racism in public schools, where teachers risk losing valuable state funding if they violate the new measure...

...The legislation, which was amended several times in the final days of the legislative session, takes effect July 1. Among other things, Tennessee's teachers can't instruct that “an individual, by virtue of the individual’s race or sex, is inherently privileged, racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or subconsciously.”

 

[dukkha]

Tennessee banned ideas, not a book.

...The legislation, which was amended several times in the final days of the legislative session, takes effect July 1. Among other things, Tennessee's teachers can't instruct that “an individual, by virtue of the individual’s race or sex, is inherently privileged, racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or subconsciously.”[/I]

They banned a falsehood- vile Marxist indoctrination..its not a legit idea, it's core principles are lies
and it's counter to our concept of E Pluribus Unum and all men are created equal.

You picked a shitty hill to die for

 

[dukkha]

IMO, the Tennessee government has had a knee jerk reaction over something they don't fully understand

from the link.

today, those same patterns of discrimination live on through facially race-blind policies, like single-family zoning that prevents the building of affordable housing in advantaged, majority-white neighborhoods and, thus, stymies racial desegregation efforts.

first off zoning laws are practical.you start putting in cheap housing of multilevel apartment in a quiet neighborhood and the place becomes crowded and lower valued.

But notice how they say "advantaged white majority" -
we are a society where class not race determines where you live.
I doubt middle class blacks want Section 8 or apartment buildings in residential neighborhoods either.

But do keep on trying to fine something worthwhile in this pile of shit - dig as deep as you wish -
all you wind up with is a pile of shit on your hands

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They banned a falsehood- vile Marxist indoctrination..its not a legit idea, it's core principles are lies
and it's counter to our concept of E Pluribus Unum and all men are created equal.

You picked a shitty hill to die for

Thanks for agreeing they are banning ideas.

Okey dokey, Dookie. I'm sure you're an expert on those.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

from the link.

first off zoning laws are practical.you start putting in cheap housing of multilevel apartment in a quiet neighborhood and the place becomes crowded and lower valued....

Wrong again, Dookie. I'm for free speech; you're the fucking Russian pushing banning ideas.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

They banned a falsehood- vile Marxist indoctrination..its not a legit idea, it's core principles are lies
and it's counter to our concept of E Pluribus Unum and all men are created equal.

You picked a shitty hill to die for

Marx can be found in any university library.
If you don't want somebody to read Marx, then you're afraid of something.

When discussing philosophy, as opposed to, say, chemistry, you make it clear that you're presenting ideas.
The students must figure out on their own what might possibly be facts as they go through life and gain experiences.
They're only tested on being able to understand the ideas, not on deciding what's true.

Conservatives are TERRIFIED of education because it encourages thinking as opposed to believing.
Absolutely terrified.

 

[Grumpy]

Tennessee's choice to burn all the books they like

Got a link to back that up ???