China, Russia officials in united stand against U.S. and other nations

[dukkha]

India is going to overtake the economies of Germany, UK, and Japan by 2030.

India's technological and military capabilities are on a fast upward trajectory, as evidenced by their space program.

The 21st century is going to be an Indian century, not a Russian one.

The vision you apparently have of India is a relic of the 1960s.

Your assumption that we have to kiss Putin's ass to have a counter balance to China runs contrary to historical trends. The geopolitical power axis of the 21st century is going to run through South Asia. Russia will be a second tier military power and a mediocre economic power by mid 20th century.

it's not either or, and while India certainly is a key economic ally, it's not going to be a defense ally exceptg on small areas where it conflicts with China
India's most effective role for itself is to play the middle and not get bogged down into superpower block geo-politics. Modi understands this and is content with economic integration, but not conflicting with China except on key areas of interest to India

Russia will be a second tier military power

you are wrong about Russia, there is no indications at all of this -it continues to improve its weapons and shows no signs of stopping

 

[dukkha]

If you claim Putin should be welcomed into the western community, then he first has to make a rudimentary effort at honoring the values of western liberal democracy.

And that starts with not poisoning journalists and not jailing political opposition leaders.


Ps. By mid century India is probably going to be the economic and military superior of Russia. Your mind might be stuck in the 1980s

what is with you and the moral judgements?
your understanding of geopolitics is tainted by your insistence on moral or human rights driving relations.
They do not. we can posture at China from now to Doomesday and it's not going to change China one iota.

Or Russia now as well, since Russia and China have an economic alliance and a growing military joint strategic partnership Do you still not get realpolitik doesnt care about how Russia runs itself?

it advantages the west to separate Russia from China in as many ways as possible
it does NOT advantage the west to be tied to human rights to do any of this

 

[dukkha]

Why should anyone be against Killing your Political Opponents and locking up Minorities?

Good Thinking, Anatta.

Blinken tried that crap with China at Anchorage and China thru back US is "racist" in his face
Biden walking around with his "systemic racism" just empowers China to ignore that noise

 

[cancel2 2022]

Yup. Very similar to the Pakistani accent.

I wonder if Urdo is similar to Hindi or if they're totally different.

We have so many languages to not know.

Remember the Chinese Godfather?
He made them an offer they couldn't understand.

You're incredibly stupid, truly embarassing!!

http://www.differencebetween.net/language/differences-between-hindi-and-hindustani/

 

[Cypress]

it's not either or, and while India certainly is a key economic ally, it's not going to be a defense ally exceptg on small areas where it conflicts with China
India's most effective role for itself is to play the middle and not get bogged down into superpower block geo-politics. Modi understands this and is content with economic integration, but not conflicting with China except on key areas of interest to India

you are wrong about Russia, there is no indications at all of this -it continues to improve its weapons and shows no signs of stopping

Indian economic power, and conventional military power is going to surpass Russia by mid-21st century. You might still be living in a mental framework of the 1980s.

For a century, Russia's primary international goal is to reduce U.S. hegemony - not to promote it.

Vladimir Putin is never going to be your partner to block Chinese ambitions and protect American power.

Although he is willing to work with us on other international issues, i.e. nuclear proliferation.

You have relentlessly pushed for a US Russia alliance, which neither makes sense nor will it ever happen.

My vision is eminently feasible and sensible - a partnership with a powerful democratic India in the 21st century, to enhance our Pacific partnership with Japan and South Korea.

 

[Jack]

Blinken tried that crap with China at Anchorage and China thru back US is "racist" in his face
Biden walking around with his "systemic racism" just empowers China to ignore that noise

The only way to compete with China is through 'economics'.

The World needs to come up with 'What is an even Playing Field'.
So, if China is going to use 'subsidies', 'favored industries', 'tariffs', and 'quotas', the rest of the world is going to have to sign on.

I know that makes you shit your pants, Dukkha, but that is what it's going to take.

 

[Micawber]

Not being able to trust China is something Trump had right. But thinking he and his corrupt cronies were the braintrust worthy of
that adversary in negotiating on "our" behalf was laughable.

Trump is a moron. Pence not any more versed. It was like Republicans sent ren and stimpy in to play Boris Spassky in chess.

 

[reagansghost]

BEIJING, China: In a rebuke to the United States and other western countries, the foreign ministers of China and Russia met on Tuesday to reaffirm their countries' close ties, while denouncing criticism of human rights abuses in their countries.

China's Wang Yi and Russia's Sergei Lavrov rejected outside criticism of their authoritarian political systems, claiming their countries are working on international issues, such as climate change and the coronavirus pandemic.

Meeting in the Chinese city of Nanning, Wang and Lavrov said the U.S. was interfering in other countries' affairs, while urging the U.S. to rejoin the Iran nuclear agreement.

During a news conference on Tuesday, Wang was critical of the ongoing coordinated sanctions brought by the European Union, Britain, Canada and the United States against Chinese officials over human rights abuses in China's far western Xinjiang region.

"Countries should stand together to oppose all forms of unilateral sanctions," Wang said, as reported by the Associated Press. "These measures will not be embraced by the international community."

Russia's Lavrov noted that western sanctions were bringing together China and Russia, while accusing the West of "imposing their own rules on everyone else, which they believe should underpin the world order."
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news...-in-united-stand-against-us-and-other-nations

dumb thread.........China and Russia took a "stand against U.S. and other nations" immediately after WWII, ya imbecile

 

[Micawber]

Russia and China are natural geopolitical frenemies. Not worried about fake Sino Soviet love affair hurting US

 

[dukkha]

Indian economic power, and conventional military power is going to surpass Russia by mid-21st century. You might still be living in a mental framework of the 1980s.

For a century, Russia's primary international goal is to reduce U.S. hegemony - not to promote it.

Vladimir Putin is never going to be your partner to block Chinese ambitions and protect American power.

Although he is willing to work with us on other international issues, i.e. nuclear proliferation.

You have relentlessly pushed for a US Russia alliance, which neither makes sense nor will it ever happen.

My vision is eminently feasible and sensible - a partnership with a powerful democratic India in the 21st century, to enhance our Pacific partnership with Japan and South Korea.

you continue to misstate and misepresent this bogus "US Russian alliance"
It's absurd and shows you dont understand spheres of influence.

for decades we managed to keep China and Russia at bey by driving any wedges we could between them.
But now instead we drive them together by sanctions on Russia -leaving Russia unable to "westernize" its economy

Im simply saying cool the sanctions and let Russia find it's natural place - kicking them out of the G8 was the same madness
Russia danger is it's high tech now including supersonics (Skyfall) and the Poseidon 2 torpedo.
By itself Russia can't field many of these, but coupled with Chinese money IT CAN

as far as I know India has no super weapons - but even this is not a true measure as you seem to think
What matters is India is not going to get into a western alliance against China
It's always looking for a middle course. unaligned

It will use transactionary alliances ,
but it's not a partner agaisnt China otherwise, and doesnt want to be there.
It will use the west to check China on its national interests, but that's all

 

[dukkha]

dumb thread.........China and Russia took a "stand against U.S. and other nations" immediately after WWII, ya imbecile

that was the USSR not Russia, you are dismissed

 

[dukkha]

The only way to compete with China is through 'economics'.

The World needs to come up with 'What is an even Playing Field'.
So, if China is going to use 'subsidies', 'favored industries', 'tariffs', and 'quotas', the rest of the world is going to have to sign on.

I know that makes you shit your pants, Dukkha, but that is what it's going to take.

cant rely on "the world" too many disparate interests
Do what Trump did and Biden could have built on, negotiate a bi-lateral on trade withChina

 

[Jack]

cant rely on "the world" too many disparate interests
Do what Trump did and Biden could have built on, negotiate a bi-lateral on trade withChina

Disagree. There is Strength in Unity.

 

[War=Peace]

BEIJING, China: In a rebuke to the United States and other western countries, the foreign ministers of China and Russia met on Tuesday to reaffirm their countries' close ties, while denouncing criticism of human rights abuses in their countries.

China's Wang Yi and Russia's Sergei Lavrov rejected outside criticism of their authoritarian political systems, claiming their countries are working on international issues, such as climate change and the coronavirus pandemic.

Meeting in the Chinese city of Nanning, Wang and Lavrov said the U.S. was interfering in other countries' affairs, while urging the U.S. to rejoin the Iran nuclear agreement.

During a news conference on Tuesday, Wang was critical of the ongoing coordinated sanctions brought by the European Union, Britain, Canada and the United States against Chinese officials over human rights abuses in China's far western Xinjiang region.

"Countries should stand together to oppose all forms of unilateral sanctions," Wang said, as reported by the Associated Press. "These measures will not be embraced by the international community."

Russia's Lavrov noted that western sanctions were bringing together China and Russia, while accusing the West of "imposing their own rules on everyone else, which they believe should underpin the world order."
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news...-in-united-stand-against-us-and-other-nations

I'm afraid it's China's century - we're just living in it.

 

[Micawber]

China will never overtly fuck over the USA. They like the present arrangement with the balance of payments
in exchange for shoddy consumer goods. They are far from stupid. Only Trump is that stupid to announce overtly
fucking over a frenemy like China. Talk about your bulls in a China shop.

OK I admit it. It was all a setup for that dumb pun.

 

[dukkha]

Disagree. There is Strength in Unity.

ell it doesnt work with the WTO and Biden isn't talking about confronting China except for human rights

 

[Jack]

ell it doesnt work with the WTO and Biden isn't talking about confronting China except for human rights

"Under Biden, China faces renewed trade pressure"
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/biden-china-faces-renewed-trade-pressure-75481604

"Biden is evaluating tariffs on Chinese goods and wants to coordinate future steps with allies, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Monday. She gave no indication of possible changes."

Do you just make shit up ... then start arguing about the shit you just made up?

 

[dukkha]

"Under Biden, China faces renewed trade pressure"
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/biden-china-faces-renewed-trade-pressure-75481604

"Biden is evaluating tariffs on Chinese goods and wants to coordinate future steps with allies, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Monday. She gave no indication of possible changes."

Do you just make shit up ... then start arguing about the shit you just made up?

Biden "won’t confront Beijing right away"....is "evaluating" lol..
Biden is out to lunch

 

[Jack]

Biden "won’t confront Beijing right away"....is "evaluating" lol..
Biden is out to lunch

You sound like a Partisan Hack.

IMO, the way to confront China is with as many Partners as you can muster up. China needs to 'sell' to somebody. China needs to 'buy' from somebody. If the Developed World can act in unison, it has a chance to make China come to the table on the meaning of 'Fair Trade'.

 

[dukkha]

You sound like a Partisan Hack.

IMO, the way to confront China is with as many Partners as you can muster up. China needs to 'sell' to somebody. China needs to 'buy' from somebody. If the Developed World can act in unison, it has a chance to make China come to the table on the meaning of 'Fair Trade'.

lol..
give it up. China is an expert at divide and conquer

Biden adopting 'strategic patience' with China policy
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/biden-adopting-strategic-patience-with-china-policy/2122620