The GOP...a WASP nest

Mottleydude said:
SM you're just plain wrong and I can use you're hero Reagan as an example. One of the things that concerned many voters in 1980 was that Reagan was to much the ideologue and Reagan's response was to say "Good people can disagree.". Reagan constantly reached out to work with those that did not agree with him. He had lunch once a month with the Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neal, he constantly reached out across the aisle to work with Democrats in congress and he never excluded a fellow Republican because they weren't "ideologically pure". In fact Reagan preached against that and was so inclusive that he coined the 11th commandment for Republicans. "Though shall not speak ill of another Republican.". Reagan did practice the politics of division as he new it was a losing strategy nor in the best interest of the nation.

Now the Republican party made substantial gains during Reagan's years and subsequently so your argument does not hold water in light of the facts. Particularly when you consider center right moderates, like myself, voted for him in droves. Please explain to me if what you're saying is true why we would do that and abandon the Bush led reactionaries in droves? That's a contradiction in your argument and when ever that happens you need to examine the premises your argument is based on cause one of them is wrong.
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Stop being so desperate. The republican party most likely will not cues from liberals on how to redefine itself. Get over it.
 
Bfgrn said:

hyperbole

def. exaggeration

Synonyms: amplification, big talk, coloring, distortion, embellishment, embroidering, enlargement, hype, laying it on thick, magnification, metaphor, mountain out of molehill, overstatement, tall talk
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But that's still not a glittering generality, you malevolent queef.
 
Mottleydude said:
SM you're just plain wrong and I can use you're hero Reagan as an example. One of the things that concerned many voters in 1980 was that Reagan was to much the ideologue and Reagan's response was to say "Good people can disagree.". Reagan constantly reached out to work with those that did not agree with him. He had lunch once a month with the Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neal, he constantly reached out across the aisle to work with Democrats in congress and he never excluded a fellow Republican because they weren't "ideologically pure". In fact Reagan preached against that and was so inclusive that he coined the 11th commandment for Republicans. "Though shall not speak ill of another Republican.". Reagan did not practice the politics of division as he new it was a losing strategy nor in the best interest of the nation.

Now the Republican party made substantial gains during Reagan's years and subsequently so your argument does not hold water in light of the facts. Particularly when you consider center right moderates, like myself, voted for him in droves. Please explain to me if what you're saying is true why we would do that and abandon the Bush led reactionaries in droves? That's a contradiction in your argument and when ever that happens you need to examine the premises your argument is based on cause one of them is wrong.
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I never considered Bush to be a conservative, and his liberal fiscal and big government policies turned off a lot of people. Reagan grew the party by finding common ground on conservative principles.
 
Southern Man said:
I never considered Bush to be a conservative, and his liberal fiscal and big government policies turned off a lot of people. Reagan grew the party by finding common ground on conservative principles.
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He was also blasted by members of his own party for being too liberal on some issues.
 
WinterBorn said:
He was also blasted by members of his own party for being too liberal on some issues.
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Like father like son on that, but Bush 43 was a better politician so managed to get himself re-elected. Neither was the leader it takes to make people realize that conservatism is the best path.
 
Southern Man said:
Like father like son on that, but Bush 43 was a better politician so managed to get himself re-elected. Neither was the leader it takes to make people realize that conservatism is the best path.
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Just out of interest, who do you think is the best pick, at the minute, to convince people to follow the conservative brick road?
 
Southern Man said:
Like father like son on that, but Bush 43 was a better politician so managed to get himself re-elected. Neither was the leader it takes to make people realize that conservatism is the best path.
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I was referring to Reagan when I said that members of his own party blasted him for being too liberal.
 
Southern Man said:
Here's a possibility: http://www.scgovernor.com/
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After having a look on his Wiki page he sounds better than many of the more talked about candidates who have been put forward.

And he looks relatively normal, which is rather unusual for a politician.

You American types obviously know more about this chap than a moderately nosey Brit such as myself, so i shall refrain from making any judgements on the fellow.
 
Southern Man said:
YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion
YES on banning partial-birth abortions
No civil unions; define one-man-one-woman marriage
YES on banning gay adoptions in DC.
Endorses teacher-led prayer & displaying Ten Commandments

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
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Then he won't get my vote.

Banning partial birth abortions is ok. Barring transporting minors to get an abortion is something I would have to get more info on.

The gay marriage/civil unions stance is wrong in my opinion. Gay adoption is not a problem. Those kids need parents. There is no evidence to support the idea that having gay parents has any negative impact on the kids. (other than the bigotry based on ignorance)

And teacher led prayer and displaying the 10 Commandments in a public school is something I would do everything in my power to stop.
 
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No one picked up on the White Anglo Saxon Protestant angle of this thread.
amazing, but they are the core of the Republican party.
 
Southern Man said:
YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion
YES on banning partial-birth abortions
No civil unions; define one-man-one-woman marriage
YES on banning gay adoptions in DC.
Endorses teacher-led prayer & displaying Ten Commandments

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
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Sounds like one of the religious righties that dragged down the republican party.
So Southernman is part of the problem of the Republican party and not the soloution?
 
WinterBorn said:
Then he won't get my vote.

Banning partial birth abortions is ok. Barring transporting minors to get an abortion is something I would have to get more info on.

The gay marriage/civil unions stance is wrong in my opinion. Gay adoption is not a problem. Those kids need parents. There is no evidence to support the idea that having gay parents has any negative impact on the kids. (other than the bigotry based on ignorance)

And teacher led prayer and displaying the 10 Commandments in a public school is something I would do everything in my power to stop.
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So when you labeled him "somewhat libertarianish" you were full of shit.
 
Southern Man said:
So when you labeled him "somewhat libertarianish" you were full of shit.
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I was basing it on a quick Google and not in-depth research.

"Sanford professes to be a firm supporter of limited government, and many pundits have described his views as being libertarian in nature." was one such quote I found in my two minute search.



You really are a hostile little prick, aren't you?
 
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