Obama will observe Confederate Memorial

Tabasco said:
Bullshit. They were patriots standing up for the Constitution, the same as Jefferson, Washington and Adams - all traitors by your despicable standards.
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All three of those men subjects of his Majesty, King George III. At the time they signed the Declaration of Independence they became traitors to the crown. Had the British won that war most of the great men that signed the DoI would have been executed at the order of their monarch. There is no use arguing this point because as I pointed out earlier, Franklin gave voice to what they all knew when he said "We must all hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately"
 
ib1yysguy said:
If you're trying to imply that the United States didn't exist because the southern states left it you are retarded.

The United States existed minus the southern states.
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and you're a moron for thinking the united states existed without the soutern states....

do you know what "union" means? :pke:

yeah.....two sides to the coin, the winner would have chosen the ultimate name....revisionist moron
 
Yurt said:
and you're a moron for thinking the united states existed without the soutern states....

do you know what "union" means? :pke:

yeah.....two sides to the coin, the winner would have chosen the ultimate name....revisionist moron
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The states of the north were still united. If Texas left today, would we no longer be the United States of America? We'd have 49 very united states and the Republic of Texas on our border.
 
ib1yysguy said:
The states of the north were still united. If Texas left today, would we no longer be the United States of America? We'd have 49 very united states and the Republic of Texas on our border.
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oh i see....this is about names we call "unions" and "confederates"......

so the south would be the united "confederate" states of america and the north would the be united "union" states of america....

stop playing stupid all time, you are convincing people you really are
 
Yurt said:
oh i see....this is about names we call "unions" and "confederates"......

so the south would be the united "confederate" states of america and the north would the be united "union" states of america....

stop playing stupid all time, you are convincing people you really are
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The south WAS the [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America[/ame]

The United States was and always will be the United States, and they were not United States Citizens, which goes back to my original point which led to this stupid diversion by you. They weren't US citizens and they don't deserve to be honored as fallen US soldiers. They were traitors and deserved to die a traitor's death.
 
ib1yysguy said:
The south WAS the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America

The United States was and always will be the United States, and they were not United States Citizens, which goes back to my original point which led to this stupid diversion by you. They weren't US citizens and they don't deserve to be honored as fallen US soldiers. They were traitors and deserved to die a traitor's death.
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and i'm sure if the south had won.....they would have said the same....

you are being obtuse, moronic and idiotic to call them traitors. you have yet to address what is a civil war. my guess is, because you know, that a civil war means a country, a UNITED country fighting against itself....

your bigotry and ignorance is noted.
 
much as we welcomed the confederate states back into the union, I think that peaceful minded citizens would welcome those confederate soldiers back into the fold of those who died for their country.
 
Socrtease said:
They were traitors. There should not be a monument to confederate soldiers at the same place where men who bravely defended the Union are buried.
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Dead wrong. If you want to use that brush to define traitors, then Washington was a traitor to England, as well as Madison, Hamilton, Monroe, Franklin.....

The winning side writes the history books, but that doesn't make them right.

The Confederates were not some entity that was to be spat upon and discarded. They were no more traitors than you.
 
Yurt said:
and i'm sure if the south had won.....they would have said the same....

you are being obtuse, moronic and idiotic to call them traitors. you have yet to address what is a civil war. my guess is, because you know, that a civil war means a country, a UNITED country fighting against itself....

your bigotry and ignorance is noted.
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No, retard, they would have called themselves citizens of the Confederate States of America, like they did before we defeated them. They would never have been United States citizens.
 
ib1yysguy said:
The south WAS the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America

The United States was and always will be the United States, and they were not United States Citizens, which goes back to my original point which led to this stupid diversion by you. They weren't US citizens and they don't deserve to be honored as fallen US soldiers. They were traitors and deserved to die a traitor's death.
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Incorrect. According to the Unionists, the Confederate states had no right to secede in the first place, making the war a civil rather than international conflict. Lincoln viewed the Confederates as being rebels, but not citizens of a separate political entity.

Of course, from my point of view that is bullshit. The Confederate states had every right to secede for whatever reason they saw fit.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You're correct, Good for Obama.
The reasons given in the article, are totally one sided.
Right or wrong, these are Americans that fought for what they believed in and the reasons given could be used to say that he shouldn't recognize those that died in Vietnam or anytime since then.
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Confederates aren't American. They should've all been hung.
 
ib1yysguy said:
The south WAS the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America

The United States was and always will be the United States, and they were not United States Citizens, which goes back to my original point which led to this stupid diversion by you. They weren't US citizens and they don't deserve to be honored as fallen US soldiers. They were traitors and deserved to die a traitor's death.
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You're an idiot.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I'm not saying that I agree with what they did; but I do believe that they felt that the North was bent on destroying their way of life and their economy.

We're not talking a handful of individuals, or even a single State; but almost half of the United States.

Your attempt to correlate this with a "group of Muslem Americans", was wrong, undeserved, and is just a red herring.
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Their "way of life" was profiting off the slave labor of innocent people .. who they also murdered in unspeakable ways, raped men, women and children, and tortured, castrated, burned and boiled them alive.

Their way of life was that of barbarians and monsters.

Go here and celebrate "their way of life" .. www.maafa.org

Obama is a pussy and this only validates why I did not vote for his weak ass.
 
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