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Funny, it is all you ever talk about...<yawn>
Who agrees with Cheney?
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It didn't and the CIA has testified that it didn't!
Cheney is a lair and anyone who believes the man is an imbecile!
Cheney is a lair and anyone who believes the man is an imbecile!
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they all avoided duty, what honor lies in that?
Fortunate Sons all of them.
Fortunate Sons all of them.
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Great to see and right on! Which makes it even more illegal in my opinion and the reason he should be in jail!
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Bush and Cheney have a hard time with the truth and knowing what truth is, why should we believe them, they lied to us, numerous times during their eight year reign!
What did Barnum say, a sucker is born every minute!
What did Barnum say, a sucker is born every minute!
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Hon, I am not the one who is an apologist for Darth, talk about little voices and completely crazy!
I know in your own mind you win every debate and even admit to it when it isn't even close!
Projecting, as you connies always do.
I know in your own mind you win every debate and even admit to it when it isn't even close!
Projecting, as you connies always do.
Ha...and I'm not the one talking to myself....only pinheads do that...
an apologist for Darth ? Hardly....I agree with him 110%.....
After 9/11, Daniel Pearl, Ken Bigley, Eugene Armstrong, Jack Hensley, and Paul Johnson, I wouldn't give a shit if they stripped the skin off the bastards responsible and their entire families....
course, thats just me....
an apologist for Darth ? Hardly....I agree with him 110%.....
After 9/11, Daniel Pearl, Ken Bigley, Eugene Armstrong, Jack Hensley, and Paul Johnson, I wouldn't give a shit if they stripped the skin off the bastards responsible and their entire families....
course, thats just me....
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Taichiliberal
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You're not a hack...you don't have the brains for it. Remember chuckles, it was YOU and your ilk who kept regurgitating that Clinton was a draft dodger, and Obama never served.
One correction: You have posts on these BOARDS regarding Obama not serving. On this thread, you agreed with Cheney that Obama is making the country less safe. (like Cheney did a bang up job).
Thats possible...if the subject was Obama, so what...he didn't serve and thats a fact...but its irrelevant here....
Obama making the country less safe...for now is opinion...but certainly has background facts to bolster that opinion....closing Gitmo As opposed to the Shrub & Cheney holding innocent people for YEARS, then turning them loose with no decent explanation...500 some odd people who if they weren't pissed at America before they sure as hell are now. Of course, this means nothing to one who wears neocon blinders and sees nothing but Cheney's distortions and lies...terrorists trials in this country giving them every right of a US citizen Under the Clinton administration, you had bonafide terrorist tagged and bagged on American soil...they're rotting in prison now as we debate here. So it can be done, the question is does Cheney have the stomach to see the legacy of his actions held up to criticism?...publicly condemning previous policy as against the law Ahhh, but Obama has NOT publicly said "illegal", he's just pointed out how screwed up it was and how it ignored long standing values and legal precedents....publicly threatening our own CIA, FBI with misconduct As opposed to outing a CIA operative who's mission was to monitor nukes & terrorists because her husband publicly contradicted the Shrub & company?....and his general subservience and apologizing to everyone for defending our own country Oh puh-leeze...you're so use to that blithering bumpkin's faux machismo (bring 'em on, with us or against us, flight suited "mission accomplished swagger) that you don't recognize true intelligent, coherent statesmanship. The Shrub & company screwed up royally and gave the finger to our allies (i.e., Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda)...well, those days are over, as the people voted so..... if you didn't know he was representing the United States, he could be mistaken for an enemy head of state. Really, and what "State" would that be, my willfully ignorant neocon friend?
One apology: As your posts are a dead ringer for another neocon blowhard on the old boards, I assumed you were the same person. If you are not, then I apologize.
Whats said on other boards and other threads have nothing to do with this thread here and now Wrong: a lot of folk are here from the War On Terror boards from AOL...that board originated on Netscape. There were a lot of neocon jackasses on that board...and some are here trying to hide their identities. Debating styles are like fingerprints, and yours is VERY familiar to a poster who changed their screen name frequently but could always be found out. Once I.D., it determines the length of a response....no matter who posted what....whats relevant to other threads and boards is not relevant here....and I have no clue about any Netscape stuff...
But you did print in bold that Clinton was a draft dodger...and you maintained that Cheney wasn't. You can't have it both ways.
And I still maintain that....Cheney's and Bidens deferments are perfectly legal postponements allowed by the Selective Service....and Clinton is a draft dodger, thats just an undeniable fact.... The only undeniable fact is that neocons just love to repeat a lie ad nauseum, and only tell part of a story. Clinton's path to avoid the draft was indeed slick, but NOT illegal (hence his nickname Slick Willy). http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp
Bottom line: he was smarter than the Shrub, who AWOL status from the National Guard (a result of family connections) is still a fact of history today. Bottom line: let he who is withou sin....
And YOU were the one posting all the Dem quotes about WMD's....you conveniently left out WHO was pumping that "information" 24/7 www.bushlies.net
No Bushie was pumping information to the Democrats in 1996, 1997,1998,1999, and 2000.....and to CONTINUE saying those same things about Saddam and WMD on into 01,02, and 03 is hardly creating something new that can suddenly now be called lies....the rhetoric didn't change when Bush got elected... Did Clinton advocate invasion/occupation? Nope. Did he continue embargos, no fly zones and strategic bombings started by the previous administration? Yep! Did he establish a separate intelligence filter to support his personal contentions? Nope. So essentially, you did the typical foolish neocon two step...avoid dealing with any factual criticism of the Shrub & company then blame Clinton. Sorry chuckles, but you just can't fly that dog here.
Once again, I've proven you to be nothing but a neocon parrot deluded by his own convoluted logic. Carry on!
Yep, just like the jackass from AOL/Netscape...a lot of ducking what you can't answer, a lot of repetition, willful ignorance, denial......yep, typical neocon convoluted logic substituted for truth. Carry on.
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You're not a hack...you don't have the brains for it. Remember chuckles, it was YOU and your ilk who kept regurgitating that Clinton was a draft dodger, and Obama never served.
One correction: You have posts on these BOARDS regarding Obama not serving. On this thread, you agreed with Cheney that Obama is making the country less safe. (like Cheney did a bang up job).
Thats possible...if the subject was Obama, so what...he didn't serve and thats a fact...but its irrelevant here....
Obama making the country less safe...for now is opinion...but certainly has background facts to bolster that opinion....closing Gitmo As opposed to the Shrub & Cheney holding innocent people for YEARS, then turning them loose with no decent explanation...500 some odd people who if they weren't pissed at America before they sure as hell are now. Of course, this means nothing to one who wears neocon blinders and sees nothing but Cheney's distortions and lies...terrorists trials in this country giving them every right of a US citizen Under the Clinton administration, you had bonafide terrorist tagged and bagged on American soil...they're rotting in prison now as we debate here. So it can be done, the question is does Cheney have the stomach to see the legacy of his actions held up to criticism?...publicly condemning previous policy as against the law Ahhh, but Obama has NOT publicly said "illegal", he's just pointed out how screwed up it was and how it ignored long standing values and legal precedents....publicly threatening our own CIA, FBI with misconduct As opposed to outing a CIA operative who's mission was to monitor nukes & terrorists because her husband publicly contradicted the Shrub & company?....and his general subservience and apologizing to everyone for defending our own country Oh puh-leeze...you're so use to that blithering bumpkin's faux machismo (bring 'em on, with us or against us, flight suited "mission accomplished swagger) that you don't recognize true intelligent, coherent statesmanship. The Shrub & company screwed up royally and gave the finger to our allies (i.e., Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda)...well, those days are over, as the people voted so..... if you didn't know he was representing the United States, he could be mistaken for an enemy head of state. Really, and what "State" would that be, my willfully ignorant neocon friend?
One apology: As your posts are a dead ringer for another neocon blowhard on the old boards, I assumed you were the same person. If you are not, then I apologize.
Whats said on other boards and other threads have nothing to do with this thread here and now Wrong: a lot of folk are here from the War On Terror boards from AOL...that board originated on Netscape. There were a lot of neocon jackasses on that board...and some are here trying to hide their identities. Debating styles are like fingerprints, and yours is VERY familiar to a poster who changed their screen name frequently but could always be found out. Once I.D., it determines the length of a response....no matter who posted what....whats relevant to other threads and boards is not relevant here....and I have no clue about any Netscape stuff...
But you did print in bold that Clinton was a draft dodger...and you maintained that Cheney wasn't. You can't have it both ways.
And I still maintain that....Cheney's and Bidens deferments are perfectly legal postponements allowed by the Selective Service....and Clinton is a draft dodger, thats just an undeniable fact.... The only undeniable fact is that neocons just love to repeat a lie ad nauseum, and only tell part of a story. Clinton's path to avoid the draft was indeed slick, but NOT illegal (hence his nickname Slick Willy). http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp
Bottom line: he was smarter than the Shrub, who AWOL status from the National Guard (a result of family connections) is still a fact of history today. Bottom line: let he who is withou sin....
And YOU were the one posting all the Dem quotes about WMD's....you conveniently left out WHO was pumping that "information" 24/7 www.bushlies.net
No Bushie was pumping information to the Democrats in 1996, 1997,1998,1999, and 2000.....and to CONTINUE saying those same things about Saddam and WMD on into 01,02, and 03 is hardly creating something new that can suddenly now be called lies....the rhetoric didn't change when Bush got elected... Did Clinton advocate invasion/occupation? Nope. Did he continue embargos, no fly zones and strategic bombings started by the previous administration? Yep! Did he establish a separate intelligence filter to support his personal contentions? Nope. So essentially, you did the typical foolish neocon two step...avoid dealing with any factual criticism of the Shrub & company then blame Clinton. Sorry chuckles, but you just can't fly that dog here.
Once again, I've proven you to be nothing but a neocon parrot deluded by his own convoluted logic. Carry on!
Yep, just like the jackass from AOL/Netscape...a lot of ducking what you can't answer, a lot of repetition, willful ignorance, denial......yep, typical neocon convoluted logic substituted for truth. Carry on.
Ouch...you're quite a nasty pinhead even for liberal....a stupid, ignorant and nasty hack...what a combination....you're so freekin' wrong in so much, its hard to know where to start....
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Shrub & Cheney holding innocent people for YEARS, then turning them loose with no decent explanation...
Who the hell told you they were innocent? They were captured on the battlefields fighting and trying to kill US troops...you think our soldiers just picked them up for loitering...being the asshole you are, you might think that...What do you think should have been done with them...think we should have killed them?...being the asshole you are, you might think that....how about a trial with lawyers and witnesses and all...bring in the troops that captured them, cross-examine them and all...being the asshole you are, you might think that....your accusation is so stupid its defies debate....
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outing a CIA operative? Prove it...it was investigated by the best and didn't happen....get over it...though Goebbels would be proud of your persistence in repeating the lie over and over...its become fact for you at least...maybe you can influence other pinheads...being the asshole you are, you might think that
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp ?
Whats a link about "first pardoned federal felon etc. " have to do with this....its irrelevant...you don't even know what the fuck your debating about....
Cheney and Biden, along with thousands of other received DEFERMENTS from the selective service....NONE OF THESE PEOPLE DODGED THE DRAFT...its accurate to say "they legally postponed being drafted"...
Heres another fact for you...Bush never claimed Iraq had anything to do with 9/11....you confuse accusations with proof...all the accusations in the world won't make the lie become the truth....being the asshole you are, you might think that
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You accuse Bush of getting special treatment from the TANG....again ..prove it...making a claim isn't proof...
How this for special treatment...? Pay attention....
Draft board Chairman Armstrong was called and asked to "put Clinton's draft notice in a drawer someplace and leave it for awhile...give the boy a chance".....
Clinton's biographer, David Maraness points out, the deliberate delay in issuing Clinton's draft notice was undeniably a case of special treatment...
(from your snoops link)
Clinton got more special treatment from Senator Fulbright to join the ROTC...against existing rules...a mere 11 days before his induction....
Clinton even failed to honor that commitment to the ROTC..he just never showed up...Clinton had taken the art of draft dodging to a new level...and his later doublespeak in trying explain his draft dodging earned him the sobriquet "Slick Willy"
THIS is proven, documented fact....not fanciful accusations like you make....
As the biographer concluded...
"he got help from others when needed, he resorted to some deception or manupulation when necessary, and he was ultimately lucky"
IMO,,,Hes undeniably a freekin' draft dodger
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And lastly the "infamous Dem. quotes".....
which, by the way, have absolutely nothing to do with invading Iraq....
The Dem quotes goes to proving what Clinton and his gang were saying and warning about Saddam and WMD...clearly over a period of years before Bush .... from 1996 on....lies ??? being the asshole you are, you might think that....thats your call...
The fact is...Bush said the very same things about Iraq and WMD...sometimes using the very same words, sometimes not....but the essential theme was exactly the same as those Dem. quotes prove...
Invasion has nothing to do with whether Clinton and Bush accusations about Iraq were lies....
Bush asked for a received a vote on war...and with the help of enough Democrats, like Hillary, the War Resolution was approved....
Now study up....schools out for today...
Stick you 'accusations' up you libhole...if you think you got some facts, bring em on.....
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Shrub & Cheney holding innocent people for YEARS, then turning them loose with no decent explanation...
Who the hell told you they were innocent? They were captured on the battlefields fighting and trying to kill US troops...you think our soldiers just picked them up for loitering...being the asshole you are, you might think that...What do you think should have been done with them...think we should have killed them?...being the asshole you are, you might think that....how about a trial with lawyers and witnesses and all...bring in the troops that captured them, cross-examine them and all...being the asshole you are, you might think that....your accusation is so stupid its defies debate....
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outing a CIA operative? Prove it...it was investigated by the best and didn't happen....get over it...though Goebbels would be proud of your persistence in repeating the lie over and over...its become fact for you at least...maybe you can influence other pinheads...being the asshole you are, you might think that
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp ?
Whats a link about "first pardoned federal felon etc. " have to do with this....its irrelevant...you don't even know what the fuck your debating about....
Cheney and Biden, along with thousands of other received DEFERMENTS from the selective service....NONE OF THESE PEOPLE DODGED THE DRAFT...its accurate to say "they legally postponed being drafted"...
Heres another fact for you...Bush never claimed Iraq had anything to do with 9/11....you confuse accusations with proof...all the accusations in the world won't make the lie become the truth....being the asshole you are, you might think that
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You accuse Bush of getting special treatment from the TANG....again ..prove it...making a claim isn't proof...
How this for special treatment...? Pay attention....
Draft board Chairman Armstrong was called and asked to "put Clinton's draft notice in a drawer someplace and leave it for awhile...give the boy a chance".....
Clinton's biographer, David Maraness points out, the deliberate delay in issuing Clinton's draft notice was undeniably a case of special treatment...
(from your snoops link)
Clinton got more special treatment from Senator Fulbright to join the ROTC...against existing rules...a mere 11 days before his induction....
Clinton even failed to honor that commitment to the ROTC..he just never showed up...Clinton had taken the art of draft dodging to a new level...and his later doublespeak in trying explain his draft dodging earned him the sobriquet "Slick Willy"
THIS is proven, documented fact....not fanciful accusations like you make....
As the biographer concluded...
"he got help from others when needed, he resorted to some deception or manupulation when necessary, and he was ultimately lucky"
IMO,,,Hes undeniably a freekin' draft dodger
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And lastly the "infamous Dem. quotes".....
which, by the way, have absolutely nothing to do with invading Iraq....
The Dem quotes goes to proving what Clinton and his gang were saying and warning about Saddam and WMD...clearly over a period of years before Bush .... from 1996 on....lies ??? being the asshole you are, you might think that....thats your call...
The fact is...Bush said the very same things about Iraq and WMD...sometimes using the very same words, sometimes not....but the essential theme was exactly the same as those Dem. quotes prove...
Invasion has nothing to do with whether Clinton and Bush accusations about Iraq were lies....
Bush asked for a received a vote on war...and with the help of enough Democrats, like Hillary, the War Resolution was approved....
Now study up....schools out for today...
Stick you 'accusations' up you libhole...if you think you got some facts, bring em on.....
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You keep repeating a moot point: I never denied that there were Dems that all joined the party line in saying Hussein was a threat, he had WMD's, etc., etc. The DIFFERENCE is that in the 8 years Clinton was in office, he maintained Daddy Bush's policy of embargos, no fly zones, and strategic bombings....WITH THE STIPULATION OF UN INSPECTORS ON THE GROUND. Slick Willy caved to GOP taunting of "doing nothing", and ended up bombing an aspirin factory, which curtailed the Inspectors job. Do a little research as to what Butler, Blix, Kay all had to say before, during and after their inspections..and the final conclusion by the Shrub's own man Duelfer said. For God's sake, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, grow up and deal with the logical conclusions of ALL the facts.
Shrub & Cheney holding innocent people for YEARS, then turning them loose with no decent explanation...
Some were captured by Americans, some were arrested by Americans, some were arrested by militias in Pakistan and Afghanistan and turned over to the United States military under allegations of being members of the Taliban or al-Qaeda.
Detention in Gitmo started 2002..Since 2002, more than 500 detainees have been transferred to at least 30 nations to be prosecuted, rehabilitated or released.
Just as anyone accused of terrorism against the US or detained on the field of battle, investigations have to be conducted to determine guilt or innocence...thus over 500 have been released...just as was done with POW's in wars of the past......even if guilt was established, the US could not detain them forever or house them our prisons....
So rather than yell and whine like a pussy, realize the danger some of them pose to us and even to their own lives if returned to their homelands.....
AND your Messiah is still holding some and talking about military tribunals? Is that news to you, Skippy...
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outing a CIA operative? Prove it...it was investigated by the best and didn't happen....get over it...though Goebbels would be proud of your persistence in repeating the lie over and over...its become fact for you at least...maybe you can influence other pinheads...being the asshole you are, you might think that
Do your homework, genius. The CIA themselves confirmed that Plame was a covert op prior to her being outed by Novak...who got the info from Armitage, who read it in a memo circulated by Libby. Think, bunky, THINK......how did Libby get ahold of classified "yours eyes only" information deemed for Cheney regarding the status of a covert ops CIA agent running a counter-terrorist operation? And who told him that it was okay to put that information into a general memo for Capital Hill distribution? Libby's conviction on perjury (commuted to a lesser sentence by the Shrub) never answers this question. In any event, Plame was outed, and her operation blown....score one for the terrorist, and for the Shrub & company to punish anyone who dared pointed out their lies.....and willfully ignorant neocon blowhards are happy as clams in beer that the "liberals" didn't get 'em! Jeez, you guys are pathetic.
Outed by Novak...yep...via Armitage....yep....a memo circulated by Libby....??? at best....any other comclusions are mere speculation...I don't assign guilt anyone on speculation...except to conclude you are most probably an
asshole hack.....from available evidence....incapable of having an open mind....consumed by Bush hate bordering on a physocus...
My statement stands...
...it was investigated by the best and didn't happen....get over it...though Goebbels would be proud of your persistence in repeating the lie over and over...its become fact for you at least...maybe you can influence other pinheads...being the asshole you are, you might think that
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp ?
Whats a link about "first pardoned federal felon etc. " have to do with this....its irrelevant...you don't even know what the fuck your debating about....
Cheney and Biden, along with thousands of other received DEFERMENTS from the selective service....NONE OF THESE PEOPLE DODGED THE DRAFT...its accurate to say "they legally postponed being drafted"...
Despite all your rantings, you fail to remember your own words....but I don't. You previously stated, "And I still maintain that....Cheney's and Bidens deferments are perfectly legal postponements allowed by the Selective Service....and Clinton is a draft dodger, thats just an undeniable fact" All I did was provide FACTS that show that Clinton's avoidance of the draft was no more illegal than Cheney's or Biden's.
First..I never claim Clinton did anything illegal....a course in remedial reading would help you with that...
Bottom line: They're all draft dodgers....what frustrates you is that Clinton you can't demonize Clinton on this particular issue, and you can't ignore the fact that Clinton didn't beat the drum to invade a nation that was no threat to us or involved in Iraq....that dubious honor falls on Cheney. So sputter and fume all you want.
This is opinion and you certainly welcome to your own...Biden and Cheney were not, imo...Clinton was, as his actions were planned and executed and he resorted to deception or manipulation ..making him a certified draft dodger...again IMO
Once again, you make a fool out of yourself by making statements that demonstrate your ignorance (willful or otherwise) of the subject matter. Now pay attention and LEARN something: In his October 29, 2003, President Bush has tried to revive the false link between 9-11 and Iraq claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . . . And Iraq is a central part of the war on terror.”
Claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . .is hardly linking Iraq with 9/11 ... to you pinheads it might be mis-interrupted that way but then thats just you pinheads...after all, it was the pinheads that repeated that lie and eventually convinced many people it really was true....again, Goebbels would be proud....reading comp. deficency....
Institute for Public Accuracy 10.29.03 And then there was this gem: White House Press Conference June 15, 2004:
Q: The Vice President, who I see standing over there, said yesterday that Saddam Hussein has long-established ties to al Qaeda. As you know, this is disputed within the U.S. intelligence community. Mr. President, would you add any qualifiers to that flat statement? And what do you think is the best evidence of it?
President Bush: Zarqawi. Zarqawi is the best evidence of connection to al Qaeda affiliates and al Qaeda. He’s the person who’s still killing. He’s the person—and remember the email exchange between al Qaeda leadership and he, himself, about how to disrupt the progress toward freedom? Saddam Hussein also had ties to terrorist organizations, as well.
Ties between AQ and Iraq ???
Try the 9/11 Commission Report...
Page 134...9/11 Commission report...
.....Clark was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible. He wrote Deputy National Sec. Adv. Don Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladins having met with Iraqi officials, who may have offered him asylum....etc....
If BL actually moved to Iraq wrote Clarde, his network would be at Saddam Hussein's service and it would be impossible to find him...etc...
Page 128...
....Nov.4, 1998 indictment of Bin Ladin......the indictment charged the al Qaeda had allied itself with Sudan, Iran, and Hezbollah. The orginal sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had "reached an understanding with the government of Iraq....
Berger speculated that a large Iraqi presence at the chemical facilities in Khartoum was "probably a direce result of the Iraq-Al Qida agreement...
...Clarke added that the VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the "exact formula used by Iraq....
These ties were made before Bush even got to Washington....so read it an whine...
I just heard this somewhere....
Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, Skippy...
Some were captured by Americans, some were arrested by Americans, some were arrested by militias in Pakistan and Afghanistan and turned over to the United States military under allegations of being members of the Taliban or al-Qaeda.
Detention in Gitmo started 2002..Since 2002, more than 500 detainees have been transferred to at least 30 nations to be prosecuted, rehabilitated or released.
Just as anyone accused of terrorism against the US or detained on the field of battle, investigations have to be conducted to determine guilt or innocence...thus over 500 have been released...just as was done with POW's in wars of the past......even if guilt was established, the US could not detain them forever or house them our prisons....
So rather than yell and whine like a pussy, realize the danger some of them pose to us and even to their own lives if returned to their homelands.....
AND your Messiah is still holding some and talking about military tribunals? Is that news to you, Skippy...
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outing a CIA operative? Prove it...it was investigated by the best and didn't happen....get over it...though Goebbels would be proud of your persistence in repeating the lie over and over...its become fact for you at least...maybe you can influence other pinheads...being the asshole you are, you might think that
Do your homework, genius. The CIA themselves confirmed that Plame was a covert op prior to her being outed by Novak...who got the info from Armitage, who read it in a memo circulated by Libby. Think, bunky, THINK......how did Libby get ahold of classified "yours eyes only" information deemed for Cheney regarding the status of a covert ops CIA agent running a counter-terrorist operation? And who told him that it was okay to put that information into a general memo for Capital Hill distribution? Libby's conviction on perjury (commuted to a lesser sentence by the Shrub) never answers this question. In any event, Plame was outed, and her operation blown....score one for the terrorist, and for the Shrub & company to punish anyone who dared pointed out their lies.....and willfully ignorant neocon blowhards are happy as clams in beer that the "liberals" didn't get 'em! Jeez, you guys are pathetic.
Outed by Novak...yep...via Armitage....yep....a memo circulated by Libby....??? at best....any other comclusions are mere speculation...I don't assign guilt anyone on speculation...except to conclude you are most probably an
asshole hack.....from available evidence....incapable of having an open mind....consumed by Bush hate bordering on a physocus...
My statement stands...
...it was investigated by the best and didn't happen....get over it...though Goebbels would be proud of your persistence in repeating the lie over and over...its become fact for you at least...maybe you can influence other pinheads...being the asshole you are, you might think that
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp ?
Whats a link about "first pardoned federal felon etc. " have to do with this....its irrelevant...you don't even know what the fuck your debating about....
Cheney and Biden, along with thousands of other received DEFERMENTS from the selective service....NONE OF THESE PEOPLE DODGED THE DRAFT...its accurate to say "they legally postponed being drafted"...
Despite all your rantings, you fail to remember your own words....but I don't. You previously stated, "And I still maintain that....Cheney's and Bidens deferments are perfectly legal postponements allowed by the Selective Service....and Clinton is a draft dodger, thats just an undeniable fact" All I did was provide FACTS that show that Clinton's avoidance of the draft was no more illegal than Cheney's or Biden's.
First..I never claim Clinton did anything illegal....a course in remedial reading would help you with that...
Bottom line: They're all draft dodgers....what frustrates you is that Clinton you can't demonize Clinton on this particular issue, and you can't ignore the fact that Clinton didn't beat the drum to invade a nation that was no threat to us or involved in Iraq....that dubious honor falls on Cheney. So sputter and fume all you want.
This is opinion and you certainly welcome to your own...Biden and Cheney were not, imo...Clinton was, as his actions were planned and executed and he resorted to deception or manipulation ..making him a certified draft dodger...again IMO
Once again, you make a fool out of yourself by making statements that demonstrate your ignorance (willful or otherwise) of the subject matter. Now pay attention and LEARN something: In his October 29, 2003, President Bush has tried to revive the false link between 9-11 and Iraq claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . . . And Iraq is a central part of the war on terror.”
Claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . .is hardly linking Iraq with 9/11 ... to you pinheads it might be mis-interrupted that way but then thats just you pinheads...after all, it was the pinheads that repeated that lie and eventually convinced many people it really was true....again, Goebbels would be proud....reading comp. deficency....
Institute for Public Accuracy 10.29.03 And then there was this gem: White House Press Conference June 15, 2004:
Q: The Vice President, who I see standing over there, said yesterday that Saddam Hussein has long-established ties to al Qaeda. As you know, this is disputed within the U.S. intelligence community. Mr. President, would you add any qualifiers to that flat statement? And what do you think is the best evidence of it?
President Bush: Zarqawi. Zarqawi is the best evidence of connection to al Qaeda affiliates and al Qaeda. He’s the person who’s still killing. He’s the person—and remember the email exchange between al Qaeda leadership and he, himself, about how to disrupt the progress toward freedom? Saddam Hussein also had ties to terrorist organizations, as well.
Ties between AQ and Iraq ???
Try the 9/11 Commission Report...
Page 134...9/11 Commission report...
.....Clark was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible. He wrote Deputy National Sec. Adv. Don Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladins having met with Iraqi officials, who may have offered him asylum....etc....
If BL actually moved to Iraq wrote Clarde, his network would be at Saddam Hussein's service and it would be impossible to find him...etc...
Page 128...
....Nov.4, 1998 indictment of Bin Ladin......the indictment charged the al Qaeda had allied itself with Sudan, Iran, and Hezbollah. The orginal sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had "reached an understanding with the government of Iraq....
Berger speculated that a large Iraqi presence at the chemical facilities in Khartoum was "probably a direce result of the Iraq-Al Qida agreement...
...Clarke added that the VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the "exact formula used by Iraq....
These ties were made before Bush even got to Washington....so read it an whine...
I just heard this somewhere....
Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, Skippy...
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*Sigh* Previously I posted that Slick Willy dodged the Draft JUST LIKE CHENEY and the SHRUB....he gamed the system, called in favors. No matter how much you squawk, you can't change that.....just like you can't change the FACTS that the Shrub was AWOL in the National Guard (hell, he got in by special favors pulled for him by fmr. Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, who has stated such for public record). by your own standards, the Shrub was "freekin draft dodger". But as usual, you'll just cover your eyes and ears and parrot the same neocon mantras.
And now the pinheads equate ENLISTING in the military as draft dodging, ....dodge the draft and become a jet fighter pilot ?....thats freekin' astounding.....I show documented PROOF...you give me accusations....AWOL? prove it....missing records only prove that records are missiing....a false claim that "favors were done" is just that ..false claims...
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And lastly the "infamous Dem. quotes".....
which, by the way, have absolutely nothing to do with invading Iraq....
Either you didn't go to the site and READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, or your just stubborn to the point of insipidness or your just a poor liar. EACH and every quote at that site is documented. If you can prove otherwise, then do. If not, just continue to blow smoke.
The Dem quotes have nothing to do with an invasion decision some 6, or 4, or 2 years after the quotes were made....the decision to invade was a Congressional Resolution ... voted on and approved.....
And now the pinheads equate ENLISTING in the military as draft dodging, ....dodge the draft and become a jet fighter pilot ?....thats freekin' astounding.....I show documented PROOF...you give me accusations....AWOL? prove it....missing records only prove that records are missiing....a false claim that "favors were done" is just that ..false claims...
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And lastly the "infamous Dem. quotes".....
which, by the way, have absolutely nothing to do with invading Iraq....
Either you didn't go to the site and READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, or your just stubborn to the point of insipidness or your just a poor liar. EACH and every quote at that site is documented. If you can prove otherwise, then do. If not, just continue to blow smoke.
The Dem quotes have nothing to do with an invasion decision some 6, or 4, or 2 years after the quotes were made....the decision to invade was a Congressional Resolution ... voted on and approved.....
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Shaken, not stirred!
Shrub & Cheney holding innocent people for YEARS, then turning them loose with no decent explanation...
Some were captured by Americans, some were arrested by Americans, some were arrested by militias in Pakistan and Afghanistan and turned over to the United States military under allegations of being members of the Taliban or al-Qaeda. Militias, aka rival tribesmen, bounty hunters. Deal with reality, you parrot: "The payments help us see why so many innocent prisoners ended up in Guantanamo Bay. Musharraf writes that "millions" were paid for 369 prisoners - the minimum rate was apparently $5,000, enough to tempt a poor Pakistani to shop an unwanted Arab to the Americans, gift-wrapped with a story that he was up to no good in Afghanistan." http://www.newstatesman.com/200610090029
Detention in Gitmo started 2002..Since 2002, more than 500 detainees have been transferred to at least 30 nations to be prosecuted, rehabilitated or released. Prosecuted for what crimes? Certainly not terrorism...but we'll never know. Rehabilitation? Yeah, after years of interrogation and detainment I could use some rehab myself. Just as anyone accused of terrorism against the US or detained on the field of battle, investigations have to be conducted to determine guilt or innocence...thus over 500 have been released...just as was done with POW's in wars of the past......even if guilt was established, the US could not detain them forever or house them our prisons.... Repeating moot points and the party line doesn't change the FACTS, jackass. The whole system in Gitmo was screwed up...and Abu Gharib was even worse. Bottom line: the facts are in, and you can't change them no matter how many times you squawk Rovian BS.
So rather than yell and whine like a pussy, realize the danger some of them pose to us and even to their own lives if returned to their homelands.....
AND your Messiah Oh spare us all that lame Rove BS....Obama is getting criticized by his supporters...or don't you READ? is still holding some and talking about military tribunals? Yes, he's doing it properly...with oversight and NOT the anti-Constitutional secrecy of the Shrub & company. Had this been done in the beginning, we wouldn't have the mess we have now. Is that news to you, Skippy...No bunky, unlike you I read everything and process it objectively,
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outing a CIA operative? Prove it...it was investigated by the best and didn't happen....get over it...though Goebbels would be proud of your persistence in repeating the lie over and over...its become fact for you at least...maybe you can influence other pinheads...being the asshole you are, you might think that
Do your homework, genius. The CIA themselves confirmed that Plame was a covert op prior to her being outed by Novak...who got the info from Armitage, who read it in a memo circulated by Libby. Think, bunky, THINK......how did Libby get ahold of classified "yours eyes only" information deemed for Cheney regarding the status of a covert ops CIA agent running a counter-terrorist operation? And who told him that it was okay to put that information into a general memo for Capital Hill distribution? Libby's conviction on perjury (commuted to a lesser sentence by the Shrub) never answers this question. In any event, Plame was outed, and her operation blown....score one for the terrorist, and for the Shrub & company to punish anyone who dared pointed out their lies.....and willfully ignorant neocon blowhards are happy as clams in beer that the "liberals" didn't get 'em! Jeez, you guys are pathetic.
Outed by Novak...yep...via Armitage....yep....a memo circulated by Libby....??? at best....any other comclusions are mere speculation...I don't assign guilt anyone on speculation...except to conclude you are most probably an
asshole hack.....from available evidence....incapable of having an open mind....consumed by Bush hate bordering on a physocus...
My statement stands... The only thing that stands out is your inability to spell and your sheer willful ignorance of recent history. Armitage got his info from a memo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-fiderer/how-is-richard-armitages_b_30409.html
And the source of that memo? Libby.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200609010001
http://thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal/
...it was investigated by the best and didn't happen....get over it...though Goebbels would be proud of your persistence in repeating the lie over and over...its become fact for you at least...maybe you can influence other pinheads...being the asshole you are, you might think that Once again, you display an incredible ignorance of how things work...Libby commits perjury to stymie further investigation...hell, the Shrub commutes him to a lesser sentence...so much for his BS promise to bring the traitors who outed Plame to justice. But it ain't over until the fat lady sings, bunky...Just ask Conyers and his Senate Commission. But then again, you and the rest of the neocon parrots are okay with the treasonous act of outing a CIA covert op that was trying to monitor nukes and terrorist actions. Yeah, the libs didn't get 'em....way to go, you willfully ignorant fool![/color]
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp ?
Whats a link about "first pardoned federal felon etc. " have to do with this....its irrelevant...you don't even know what the fuck your debating about....
Cheney and Biden, along with thousands of other received DEFERMENTS from the selective service....NONE OF THESE PEOPLE DODGED THE DRAFT...its accurate to say "they legally postponed being drafted"...
Despite all your rantings, you fail to remember your own words....but I don't. You previously stated, "And I still maintain that....Cheney's and Bidens deferments are perfectly legal postponements allowed by the Selective Service....and Clinton is a draft dodger, thats just an undeniable fact" All I did was provide FACTS that show that Clinton's avoidance of the draft was no more illegal than Cheney's or Biden's.
First..I never claim Clinton did anything illegal....a course in remedial reading would help you with that... Stop lying....you stated that Biden and Cheney's deferments were legal while Clinton was just a "freekin" draft dodger. It's there in print in previous posts. All I did was prove that Clinton did similar machinations and stayed within legal boundries. You can't prove otherwise, so you just repeat your bullshit 6 ways to Sunday.
Bottom line: They're all draft dodgers....what frustrates you is that Clinton you can't demonize Clinton on this particular issue, and you can't ignore the fact that Clinton didn't beat the drum to invade a nation that was no threat to us or involved in Iraq....that dubious honor falls on Cheney. So sputter and fume all you want.
This is opinion and you certainly welcome to your own...Biden and Cheney were not, imo...Clinton was, as his actions were planned and executed and he resorted to deception or manipulation ..making him a certified draft dodger...again IMO Bottom line: your "opinion" is worthless in light of the FACTS. You don't like Clinton...fine. But to say his actions were worse than Biden's or Cheney's is just not true...given the LEGAL FACTS. But that's the problem with willfully ignorant neocon parrots, they just repeat what they like and ignore all else.
Once again, you make a fool out of yourself by making statements that demonstrate your ignorance (willful or otherwise) of the subject matter. Now pay attention and LEARN something: In his October 29, 2003, President Bush has tried to revive the false link between 9-11 and Iraq claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . . . And Iraq is a central part of the war on terror.”
Claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . .is hardly linking Iraq with 9/11 ... to you pinheads it might be mis-interrupted that way but then thats just you pinheads...after all, it was the pinheads that repeated that lie and eventually convinced many people it really was true....again, Goebbels would be proud....reading comp. deficency.... Pure denial from a stubborn neocon stubborn....the Shrub purposely states that Iraq's suicide bombers are a combination of foreign terrorist and Baathist (Hussein's party) and then points out that it's the same tactic as 9/11, and reminds us that Iraq is central to the war on terror (which is how we got involved in the first place) . Only someone truly stupid or naive would not catch the correlation, implication, association, assumption, insinuation, assertion, etc.
Institute for Public Accuracy 10.29.03 And then there was this gem: White House Press Conference June 15, 2004:
Q: The Vice President, who I see standing over there, said yesterday that Saddam Hussein has long-established ties to al Qaeda. As you know, this is disputed within the U.S. intelligence community. Mr. President, would you add any qualifiers to that flat statement? And what do you think is the best evidence of it?
President Bush: Zarqawi. Zarqawi is the best evidence of connection to al Qaeda affiliates and al Qaeda. He’s the person who’s still killing. He’s the person—and remember the email exchange between al Qaeda leadership and he, himself, about how to disrupt the progress toward freedom? Saddam Hussein also had ties to terrorist organizations, as well.
Ties between AQ and Iraq ??? Hey jackass, the POINT is that the Shrub & company LIED to the American people by stating that there was a link between Hussein and Al Qaeda. They said it, bunky...not me. Deal with it!
Try the 9/11 Commission Report...
Page 134...9/11 Commission report...
.....Clark was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible. He wrote Deputy National Sec. Adv. Don Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladins having met with Iraqi officials, who may have offered him asylum....etc....
If BL actually moved to Iraq wrote Clarde, his network would be at Saddam Hussein's service and it would be impossible to find him...etc...
Page 128... IF, stupid....that's the operative word. Had you further read the report, you'd know that there was NO working relationship...and that was clearly expressed to the Shrub & company. God, do you think these lame ass out-of context quotes will go unchallenged. Grow up!
....Nov.4, 1998 indictment of Bin Ladin......the indictment charged the al Qaeda had allied itself with Sudan, Iran, and Hezbollah. The orginal sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had "reached an understanding with the government of Iraq....
Berger speculated that a large Iraqi presence at the chemical facilities in Khartoum was "probably a direce result of the Iraq-Al Qida agreement...
...Clarke added that the VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the "exact formula used by Iraq.... Ahhh, but the devil is in the details, jackass http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1244
These ties were made before Bush even got to Washington....so read it an whine... You truly fucking stupid http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
I just heard this somewhere.... And you should have paid attention, you dolt.
Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, Skippy [...
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Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
1) The National Guard in Texas took it's applicants by distributed number.....the Shrub was WAY up on the list...meaning that he was more likely to get drafted. Barnes pulled string so that the Shrub would be moved up to the top 40.....insuring his induction into the Guard and there by AVOIDING the draft. God damn, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
2) The decision to invade was based on lies and deceit. The Shrub DID NOT meet the criteria established by Congress (HJ114) and the UN (Article 51), by which he signed and agreed to. www.bushlies.net PROVES how the Shrub & company lied before during and after the invasion of Iraq...hangs them BY THEIR OWN WORDS....deal with it.
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The 30 percenters haven't dealt with it, yet, they won't, thanks for trying Senor'
Shrub & Cheney holding innocent people for YEARS, then turning them loose with no decent explanation...
Musharraf writes that "millions" were paid for 369 prisoners - the minimum rate was apparently $5,000, enough to tempt a poor Pakistani to shop an unwanted Arab to the Americans, gift-wrapped with a story that he was up to no good in Afghanistan." http://www.newstatesman.com/200610090029
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369 wow...wonder why it wasn't 369,000 instead?
Bid deal....suspects of being Taliban or al-Qaeda..investigated, questioned and released, if accusations were unfounded....just like what happens in US Police Dept.s all over the country....you're a pussy whiner...
Your source is a freekin' joke.....The New Statesman was created in 1913 with the aim of permeating the educated and influential classes with socialist ideas. Try the DNC or CPUSA .. the latter even endorsed Obama
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The whole system in Gitmo was screwed up...and Abu Gharib was even worse. Bottom line: the facts are in, and you can't change them no matter how many times you squawk Rovian BS.
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You really are a brainwashed robot...Rovian? WTF...
The Messiah is doing his duty in some ways at least...following in the footsteps of Pres. GW Bush...Good old Gitmo...I actually served on Leeward Point....
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holding some and talking about military tribunals? Yes, he's doing it properly...with oversight and NOT the anti-Constitutional secrecy of the Shrub & company.
Trouble is Skippy, Bush never used a military tribunal, so you don't have a clue how they would have been conducted...but assholes like you don't really care about facts and truth, you just make shit up as you read the far left blogs, believing them to be the NEWS... ...
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Do your homework, genius. The CIA themselves confirmed that Plame was a covert op prior to her being outed by Novak...who got the info from Armitage, who read it in a memo circulated by Libby. Think, bunky, THINK......how did Libby get ahold of classified "yours eyes only"
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Think? How about you trying that...you, personally, could have followed little Miss Covert to work any day of the week...every day of the week and fould her driving to the CIA building .... even you could have guessed..."wow, she works for the CIA".....lol....
But here are the simple facts....
Armitage told Novak, Novak told the world...case closed...how Armitage found out is irrelevant...he should have kept his mouth shut ...thats the bottom line.... ....end of story...
All investigated and no body even got a slap on the hand...
And spar me the Libby crap, he was found of guilty of lying to the FBI...or as fair people realize, his memory isn't perfect....hes was railroaded because hes a Republican....
And who told him that it was okay to put that information into a general memo for Capital Hill distribution? Libby's conviction on perjury (commuted to a lesser sentence by the Shrub) never answers this question. In any event, Plame was outed, and her operation blown...
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She had no operation, shit4brains....
CIA says...
"Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."
Yeah sure...unless if you followed her to work....what a joke...
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Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
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so ...she W A S a covert agent prier to 5/2003 when Novak outed her....
your point is well made...
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score one for the terrorist, and for the Shrub & company to punish anyone who dared pointed out their lies.....and willfully ignorant neocon blowhards are happy as clams in beer that the "liberals" didn't get 'em! Jeez, you guys are pathetic.
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score one for the terrorist? WTF....get a grip Skippy....
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Outed by Novak...yep...via Armitage....yep....a memo circulated by Libby....??? at best....any other comclusions are mere speculation...I don't assign guilt anyone on speculation...except to conclude you are most probably an asshole hack.....from available evidence....incapable of having an open mind....consumed by Bush hate ... Armitage got his info from a memo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...s_b_30409.html
And the source of that memo? Libby.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200609010001
http://thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal/
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...it was investigated by the Dems best and nothing but a BS charge of lying to a Grand Jury.......get over it...
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.Libby commits perjury to stymie further investigation...hell, the Shrub commutes him to a lesser sentence...so much for his BS promise to bring the traitors who outed Plame to justice.
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What investigation?
Who outed Palme was already well know by the prosecutor...but he continued on his witch hunt and had to settle for conflicting storys from reporters and Libby....
Libby was NOT charged with nor convicted with outing Plame....let that fact sink in alittle....
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But it ain't over until the fat lady sings, bunky...Just ask Conyers and his Senate Commission. But then again, you and the rest of the neocon parrots are okay with the treasonous act of outing a CIA covert op that was trying to monitor nukes and terrorist actions. Yeah, the libs didn't get 'em....way to go, you willfully ignorant fool!
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp ?
Whats a link about "first pardoned federal felon etc. " have to do with this....its irrelevant...you don't even know what the fuck your debating
Despite all your rantings, you fail to remember your own words....but I don't. You previously stated, "And I still maintain that....Cheney's and Bidens deferments are perfectly legal postponements allowed by the Selective Service....
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and Clinton is a draft dodger, thats just an undeniable fact"
You find the truth objectionable ?
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All I did was provide FACTS that show that Clinton's avoidance of the draft was no more illegal than Cheney's or Biden's.
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First..I never claim Clinton did anything illegal....a course in remedial reading would help you with that...You say, " Stop lying....you stated that Biden and Cheney's deferments were legal while Clinton was just a "freekin" draft dodger. "
Yeah....
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And where do you see me claiming Clinton did anything illegal?
Oh..you don't....welll, that makes you the liar, doesn't it...
This is opinion and you certainly welcome to your own...Biden and Cheney were not, imo...Clinton was, as his actions were planned and executed and he resorted to deception or manipulation ..making him a certified draft dodger...again IMO Bottom line: your "opinion" is worthless in light of the FACTS. You don't like Clinton...fine. But to say his actions were worse than Biden's or Cheney's is just not true...given the LEGAL FACTS.
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Chill Skippy...His own biographer says' he resorted to deception or manipulation " and that makes his actions totally different than Biden or Cheney....they didn't deceive anyone or manipulate powerful people to hide induction papers and the like....
..making him a certified draft dodger.
Once again, you make a fool out of yourself by making statements that demonstrate your ignorance (willful or otherwise) of the subject matter. Now pay attention and LEARN something: In his October 29, 2003, President Bush has tried to revive the false link between 9-11 and Iraq claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . . . And Iraq is a central part of the war on terror.”
Claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . .is hardly linking Iraq with 9/11 ... to you pinheads it might be mis-interrupted that way but then thats just you pinheads...after all, it was the pinheads that repeated that lie and eventually convinced many people it really was true....again, Goebbels would be proud....reading comp. deficency.... Pure denial from a stubborn neocon stubborn..... Only someone truly stupid or naive would not catch the correlation, implication, association, assumption, insinuation, assertion, etc.
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Really Sonny...only an idiot like you would rely on implication, association, assumption, insinuation, assertion, and I might add fantasy to dream up events that in reality didn't happen, and hear things that were never said.....try sticking with facts...
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Ties between AQ and Iraq ??? Hey jackass, the POINT is that the Shrub & company LIED to the American people by stating that there was a link between Hussein and Al Qaeda. They said it, bunky...not me. Deal with it!
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Prove it...link me up, Skippy...
I proved when the AQ/Iraq links were made....The Clinton Administration....see below again
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Try the 9/11 Commission Report...
Page 134...9/11 Commission report...
.....Clark was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible. He wrote Deputy National Sec. Adv. Don Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladins having met with Iraqi officials, who may have offered him asylum....etc....
If BL actually moved to Iraq wrote Clarke, his network would be at Saddam Hussein's service and it would be impossible to find him...etc...
Page 128... IF, stupid....
The word IF doesn't appear on Pg.128 of the Report....clown....its easy enough to search the pdf....so try again....stupid
that's the operative word. Had you further read the report, you'd know that there was NO working relationship...and that was clearly expressed to the Shrub & company. Sorry Skippy...it never happened except in you own little fantasy world....
It must be that "implication, association, assumption, insinuation, assertion" problem again....try reading exactly what you see and not what you want to see in your dreamworld...
God, do you think these lame ass out-of context quotes will go unchallenged. Grow up!
....Nov.4, 1998 indictment of Bin Ladin......the indictment charged the al Qaeda had allied itself with Sudan, Iran, and Hezbollah. The orginal sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had "reached an understanding with the government of Iraq....
Berger speculated that a large Iraqi presence at the chemical facilities in Khartoum was "probably a direce result of the Iraq-Al Qida agreement...
...Clarke added that the VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the "exact formula used by Iraq.... Ahhh, but the devil is in the details, jackass http://www.democraticunderground.com...dress=358x1244
These ties were made before Bush even got to Washington....so read it an whine... You truly fucking stupid http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
Exactly...and your still trying to blame Bush for them...now you're getting it..
I just heard this somewhere.... And you should have paid attention, you dolt.
Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, Skippy [...
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Surely you jest.....
The Newstatesman?
Thinkprogress?
Media Matters??
The freekin' Huffingtonpost???
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Give me a break, clown....
THIS is where you get your facts....now thats a real joke.....
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Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, Skippy...
Musharraf writes that "millions" were paid for 369 prisoners - the minimum rate was apparently $5,000, enough to tempt a poor Pakistani to shop an unwanted Arab to the Americans, gift-wrapped with a story that he was up to no good in Afghanistan." http://www.newstatesman.com/200610090029
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369 wow...wonder why it wasn't 369,000 instead?
Bid deal....suspects of being Taliban or al-Qaeda..investigated, questioned and released, if accusations were unfounded....just like what happens in US Police Dept.s all over the country....you're a pussy whiner...
Your source is a freekin' joke.....The New Statesman was created in 1913 with the aim of permeating the educated and influential classes with socialist ideas. Try the DNC or CPUSA .. the latter even endorsed Obama
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The whole system in Gitmo was screwed up...and Abu Gharib was even worse. Bottom line: the facts are in, and you can't change them no matter how many times you squawk Rovian BS.
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You really are a brainwashed robot...Rovian? WTF...
The Messiah is doing his duty in some ways at least...following in the footsteps of Pres. GW Bush...Good old Gitmo...I actually served on Leeward Point....
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holding some and talking about military tribunals? Yes, he's doing it properly...with oversight and NOT the anti-Constitutional secrecy of the Shrub & company.
Trouble is Skippy, Bush never used a military tribunal, so you don't have a clue how they would have been conducted...but assholes like you don't really care about facts and truth, you just make shit up as you read the far left blogs, believing them to be the NEWS... ...
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Do your homework, genius. The CIA themselves confirmed that Plame was a covert op prior to her being outed by Novak...who got the info from Armitage, who read it in a memo circulated by Libby. Think, bunky, THINK......how did Libby get ahold of classified "yours eyes only"
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Think? How about you trying that...you, personally, could have followed little Miss Covert to work any day of the week...every day of the week and fould her driving to the CIA building .... even you could have guessed..."wow, she works for the CIA".....lol....
But here are the simple facts....
Armitage told Novak, Novak told the world...case closed...how Armitage found out is irrelevant...he should have kept his mouth shut ...thats the bottom line.... ....end of story...
All investigated and no body even got a slap on the hand...
And spar me the Libby crap, he was found of guilty of lying to the FBI...or as fair people realize, his memory isn't perfect....hes was railroaded because hes a Republican....
And who told him that it was okay to put that information into a general memo for Capital Hill distribution? Libby's conviction on perjury (commuted to a lesser sentence by the Shrub) never answers this question. In any event, Plame was outed, and her operation blown...
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She had no operation, shit4brains....
CIA says...
"Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."
Yeah sure...unless if you followed her to work....what a joke...
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Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
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so ...she W A S a covert agent prier to 5/2003 when Novak outed her....
your point is well made...
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score one for the terrorist, and for the Shrub & company to punish anyone who dared pointed out their lies.....and willfully ignorant neocon blowhards are happy as clams in beer that the "liberals" didn't get 'em! Jeez, you guys are pathetic.
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score one for the terrorist? WTF....get a grip Skippy....
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Outed by Novak...yep...via Armitage....yep....a memo circulated by Libby....??? at best....any other comclusions are mere speculation...I don't assign guilt anyone on speculation...except to conclude you are most probably an asshole hack.....from available evidence....incapable of having an open mind....consumed by Bush hate ... Armitage got his info from a memo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...s_b_30409.html
And the source of that memo? Libby.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200609010001
http://thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal/
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...it was investigated by the Dems best and nothing but a BS charge of lying to a Grand Jury.......get over it...
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.Libby commits perjury to stymie further investigation...hell, the Shrub commutes him to a lesser sentence...so much for his BS promise to bring the traitors who outed Plame to justice.
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What investigation?
Who outed Palme was already well know by the prosecutor...but he continued on his witch hunt and had to settle for conflicting storys from reporters and Libby....
Libby was NOT charged with nor convicted with outing Plame....let that fact sink in alittle....
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But it ain't over until the fat lady sings, bunky...Just ask Conyers and his Senate Commission. But then again, you and the rest of the neocon parrots are okay with the treasonous act of outing a CIA covert op that was trying to monitor nukes and terrorist actions. Yeah, the libs didn't get 'em....way to go, you willfully ignorant fool!
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp ?
Whats a link about "first pardoned federal felon etc. " have to do with this....its irrelevant...you don't even know what the fuck your debating
Despite all your rantings, you fail to remember your own words....but I don't. You previously stated, "And I still maintain that....Cheney's and Bidens deferments are perfectly legal postponements allowed by the Selective Service....
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and Clinton is a draft dodger, thats just an undeniable fact"
You find the truth objectionable ?
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All I did was provide FACTS that show that Clinton's avoidance of the draft was no more illegal than Cheney's or Biden's.
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First..I never claim Clinton did anything illegal....a course in remedial reading would help you with that...You say, " Stop lying....you stated that Biden and Cheney's deferments were legal while Clinton was just a "freekin" draft dodger. "
Yeah....
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And where do you see me claiming Clinton did anything illegal?
Oh..you don't....welll, that makes you the liar, doesn't it...
This is opinion and you certainly welcome to your own...Biden and Cheney were not, imo...Clinton was, as his actions were planned and executed and he resorted to deception or manipulation ..making him a certified draft dodger...again IMO Bottom line: your "opinion" is worthless in light of the FACTS. You don't like Clinton...fine. But to say his actions were worse than Biden's or Cheney's is just not true...given the LEGAL FACTS.
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Chill Skippy...His own biographer says' he resorted to deception or manipulation " and that makes his actions totally different than Biden or Cheney....they didn't deceive anyone or manipulate powerful people to hide induction papers and the like....
..making him a certified draft dodger.
Once again, you make a fool out of yourself by making statements that demonstrate your ignorance (willful or otherwise) of the subject matter. Now pay attention and LEARN something: In his October 29, 2003, President Bush has tried to revive the false link between 9-11 and Iraq claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . . . And Iraq is a central part of the war on terror.”
Claiming that the suicide bombers in Iraq were “probably both Ba’athists and foreign terrorists”, explaining that “it’s the same mentality, by the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001. . .is hardly linking Iraq with 9/11 ... to you pinheads it might be mis-interrupted that way but then thats just you pinheads...after all, it was the pinheads that repeated that lie and eventually convinced many people it really was true....again, Goebbels would be proud....reading comp. deficency.... Pure denial from a stubborn neocon stubborn..... Only someone truly stupid or naive would not catch the correlation, implication, association, assumption, insinuation, assertion, etc.
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Really Sonny...only an idiot like you would rely on implication, association, assumption, insinuation, assertion, and I might add fantasy to dream up events that in reality didn't happen, and hear things that were never said.....try sticking with facts...
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Ties between AQ and Iraq ??? Hey jackass, the POINT is that the Shrub & company LIED to the American people by stating that there was a link between Hussein and Al Qaeda. They said it, bunky...not me. Deal with it!
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Prove it...link me up, Skippy...
I proved when the AQ/Iraq links were made....The Clinton Administration....see below again
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Try the 9/11 Commission Report...
Page 134...9/11 Commission report...
.....Clark was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible. He wrote Deputy National Sec. Adv. Don Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladins having met with Iraqi officials, who may have offered him asylum....etc....
If BL actually moved to Iraq wrote Clarke, his network would be at Saddam Hussein's service and it would be impossible to find him...etc...
Page 128... IF, stupid....
The word IF doesn't appear on Pg.128 of the Report....clown....its easy enough to search the pdf....so try again....stupid
that's the operative word. Had you further read the report, you'd know that there was NO working relationship...and that was clearly expressed to the Shrub & company. Sorry Skippy...it never happened except in you own little fantasy world....
It must be that "implication, association, assumption, insinuation, assertion" problem again....try reading exactly what you see and not what you want to see in your dreamworld...
God, do you think these lame ass out-of context quotes will go unchallenged. Grow up!
....Nov.4, 1998 indictment of Bin Ladin......the indictment charged the al Qaeda had allied itself with Sudan, Iran, and Hezbollah. The orginal sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had "reached an understanding with the government of Iraq....
Berger speculated that a large Iraqi presence at the chemical facilities in Khartoum was "probably a direce result of the Iraq-Al Qida agreement...
...Clarke added that the VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the "exact formula used by Iraq.... Ahhh, but the devil is in the details, jackass http://www.democraticunderground.com...dress=358x1244
These ties were made before Bush even got to Washington....so read it an whine... You truly fucking stupid http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
Exactly...and your still trying to blame Bush for them...now you're getting it..
I just heard this somewhere.... And you should have paid attention, you dolt.
Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, Skippy [...
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COLOR="Blue"]Given how I just kicke your sorry ass with a plethora of FACTS, I'm laughing real hard at YOU!
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Surely you jest.....
The Newstatesman?
Thinkprogress?
Media Matters??
The freekin' Huffingtonpost???
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Give me a break, clown....
THIS is where you get your facts....now thats a real joke.....
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Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, Skippy...