Small size of most U.S. police departments complicates reform

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Experts say that while smaller departments have their benefits, including being able to adapt to their communities and hire officers with local ties, these agencies also are typically able to avoid the accountability being sought as part of the national movement to restructure and improve policing. These departments’ often limited resources and the decentralized structure of American law enforcement complicate efforts to mandate widespread training and policy changes, experts say.

“It’s unlike any other country,” Wexler said. “In places like the United Kingdom, you have a Home Office, you have standards. In Germany or Israel … they have a national police. Our policing is completely fragmented, decentralized, with no national standards.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...y-changing-policing-is-difficult-experts-say/
 
BidenPresident said:
Experts say that while smaller departments have their benefits, including being able to adapt to their communities and hire officers with local ties, these agencies also are typically able to avoid the accountability being sought as part of the national movement to restructure and improve policing. These departments’ often limited resources and the decentralized structure of American law enforcement complicate efforts to mandate widespread training and policy changes, experts say.

“It’s unlike any other country,” Wexler said. “In places like the United Kingdom, you have a Home Office, you have standards. In Germany or Israel … they have a national police. Our policing is completely fragmented, decentralized, with no national standards.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...y-changing-policing-is-difficult-experts-say/
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What is your solution? A federal police force like Mexican Federales?

“You want to change American policing, figure out how to get to … the departments of 50 officers or less,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a Washington-based group that works with police departments. “How do you reach them? How do you get to them? … That’s what the American people keep wondering.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What is your solution? A federal police force like Mexican Federales?

“You want to change American policing, figure out how to get to … the departments of 50 officers or less,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a Washington-based group that works with police departments. “How do you reach them? How do you get to them? … That’s what the American people keep wondering.
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No. But the US can establish national standards. Perhaps not forced on departments, but used as a standard.
 
/shrugs.....most US police forces don't need reform.......all the racist killings have occurred in large blue cities......
 
BidenPresident said:
No. But the US can establish national standards. Perhaps not forced on departments, but used as a standard.
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What standards should draw the most focus?

From the article, it appears the biggest problem is a patchwork of transparency. More about annual reports and stats, not oversight per se.
 
BidenPresident said:
Use of force standards. Eliminating immunity.
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Use of deadly force is often standardized. Agreed on the qualified immunity, but that's more than just police. It can be applied to both Obama and Trump for violating the rights of newspaper reporters.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/qualified_immunity
Qualified immunity is a type of legal immunity. “Qualified immunity balances two important interests—the need to hold public officials accountable when they exercise power irresponsibly and the need to shield officials from harassment, distraction, and liability when they perform their duties reasonably.” Pearson v. Callahan .

Specifically, qualified immunity protects a government official from lawsuits alleging that the official violated a plaintiff's rights, only allowing suits where officials violated a “clearly established” statutory or constitutional right. When determining whether or not a right was “clearly established,” courts consider whether a hypothetical reasonable official would have known that the defendant’s conduct violated the plaintiff’s rights. Courts conducting this analysis apply the law that was in force at the time of the alleged violation, not the law in effect when the court considers the case.
 
BidenPresident said:
It is not. There would be no need for expert witnesses in the Chauvin trial if that was true.
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Why do you think Chauvin should have been convicted without a trial?

Yes, the rules of deadly force are standardized. Chauvin violated those rules and that's why he was on trial for murder, and rightfully so.

Consider the use of deadly force by Officer Darren Wilson. He didn't violate the rules and, despite several investigations, was cleared of wrong doing.

IMO, the focus should be more on body cams and car cams. With current tech, all police cars should be able to have a 360 degree camera view at relatively low cost. Body cam laws should require being on 24/7. It was body cams that were Chauvin's undoing and, IMO, it would have cleared Wilson much more quickly.
 
BidenPresident said:
I neither said nor implied that. Don't be silly.
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Then please explain what you meant about the "expert witnessed" comment.

Most trials have expert witnesses. If anything, it was the expert witnesses that proved Chauvin murdered Floyd.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Then please explain what you meant about the "expert witnessed" comment.

Most trials have expert witnesses. If anything, it was the expert witnesses that proved Chauvin murdered Floyd.
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Then you did not read it with comprehension. I usually lose interest when it takes over an hour to respond. Go back and read what I wrote.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
While I tend to agree, since there's no data requirements, how do we know? I doubt most states even know.
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are you joking?.......you don't think we would have heard if a cop had killed a black man in Grundy Center, Iowa?........by the way, they did kill white guy there.......nobody posted about it here except me......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
are you joking?.......you don't think we would have heard if a cop had killed a black man in Grundy Center, Iowa?........by the way, they did kill white guy there.......nobody posted about it here except me......
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How many people are killed every year by the police? What is the breakdown by gender, race, economics, state, etc?

I've looked for a link to the data and there is no Federal or collective group of states and their PDs compiling the data.

How can we correct problems if we don't know the extent of the problem?
 
BidenPresident said:
This is why I usually ignore you. You make up something to dispute then write inane insults.
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And, like the Trumpsters, you dislike anyone who disagrees with you.

I was hoping you would be different but you only lasted one post in response before you proved you were no different than they are.
 
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