I agree that the problem is idiots in both parties. The problem comes from the right to moderate crowd though, not the left.
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I agree that the problem is idiots in both parties. The problem comes from the right to moderate crowd though, not the left.
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The Almighty
Yes, yes, we all know... the left can never do any wrong... blah blah blah
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Yeah socialism is great stuff.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...s-a-license-to-cheat-and-steal--45350707.html
Another article on this scam
Another article on this scam
On this particular issue, even according to your own professed preferences, the left position is the most straightforward and cleanest approach: tax carbon. The next most left position is, again, the next most straight-forward cleanest approach: cap and trade with 100% auction.
The whole cap and trade scheme gets screwed up in an effort to get votes from the Blue Dogs and other so-called moderates.
I'd appreciate it if you put all the cards on the table on the folks that you are citing to. I'm sorry if I'm just not all that inclined to take energy company lobbyists at their word on this issue.
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1) I am citing the content of the actual article
2) I have no intention of performing an in depth analysis of every author
3) If I have a problem with the ACTUAL content, then I will say so.
4) Your obsessive need to attack the author rather than the content is pathetic. You spout off 'well gee, he be an energy company insider, thus he cannot be trusted' without any evidence at all that the content in this article is inaccurate in any way. Which is pathetic.
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True, on the issue of incentivizing the move of current energy producers to cleaner energy the position of a straight tax is the better option in my opinion.
That said, the left is also the ones that resort to fearmongering and making the entire issue such a cluster fuck with regards to their incessant chants of global warming... lets study to see how much man is fault... lets waste time, energy, money and intellectual capacity to study something that is irrelevant to the solution to the problem.
Like I said, there are idiots on both sides of the aisle that tend to cluster fuck everything they touch by making the issues and solutions far more complex and controversial then they are.
1) I'm not attacking the author. The author's background is relevant information that a reader should be made aware of. The reader can decide whether to discount the author's opinion based on the background.
2) I personally discount the author's opinion because it's basically a energy company lobbyist taking advantage of the outrage du jour to enlist public opposition to a policy he has opposed for a long time. It's nonsense on stilts. I bet in 2002 he argued that cap and trade supported terrorists or something.
1) That's what the people on the left really want, a straight tax. It's people in the center and on the right that want to make a mess of things.
2) The bold is just precious.
3) You aren't that naive so why pretend to be?
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1) Tell me dung... do YOU post the biography of every author of every article you post a link to? If not, then do fuck off. Anyone who is interested in the background of the author can do exactly as you did and google the individual.
2) I read the articles. I comment on what is written in the articles.
3) Fine, then from now on we should all just automatically discount everything from anyone who might potentially have a bias in some way or form. What's that? No, sorry, any author from Huffington post is bound to be biased, hence we should automatically discount that. What? No, sorry, if you ever worked for any government agency or Ivy league school you are clearly biased and thus... your words are pointless.
4) bottom line, your number 4 is nothing more than YOUR biased and thus far unsubstantiated OPINIONS. Your preconceived notion that because this guy happened to work for an energy company that he MUST be evil. Blah blah blah. You fucking hack.
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Precious? Do tell me exactly what is wrong with it. How much time, money and intellectual capacity has been spent on studying how much man is at fault for 'global warming' (which coincidentally has once again been re-labeled to 'global climate change'... I wonder why)
You ARE naive to pretend the left are any better overall with regards to this bill. You are such a hack you simply cannot fathom where they could be fucking this up.
Side note... correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it a group of lefties that came up with the entire bullshit concept of cap in trade in the early 70's?
1) No, but I rarely post op-eds. That seems to be all that you post. You don't post articles. If you did, I wouldn't care about the authors. Generally, newspapers provide such information about op-ed writers for this very purpose, so as not to deceive their readers.
2) They're not articles. They're op-eds. You know, opinion pieces.
3) You can freely discount the opinion of the author of any op-ed that I post for any reason that you wish. That's why the information is generally provided. Now, I do not discount factual information contained in an op-ed but energy industry lobbyists opposing cap and trade on the grounds that brokers will earn money on trades is laughable at best.
4) No, not evil at all. He is doing his job and a paid shill for the energy industry. There are lots of reasons to oppose cap and trade. Some of them are very good. But the fact that brokers will make money on trades is not one of them. In fact, it's one of the shittiest reasons I can think of and is nothing more than an attempt to gain public opposition based on the outrage du jour (Wall Street Sux).
1) Yeah, it isn't as if global warming denilaists aren't rampant or anything, particularly among Republicans in Congress.
2) The left is better. By far. They're fucking it up to accommodate the Blue Dogs and the moderates. It's called legislative compromise. Not letting the ideal get in the way of the doable.
3) First of all, cap and trade schemes can work if properly implemented. See: sulfur dioxide.
Second, cap and trade is an accommodationist policy position that is deemed acceptable to many that would otherwise balk at a straight tax by using "market-based" solutions. it isn't the preferred approach but it is a palatable approach. That's why some environmentalists like it.
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1) translation.... yes, we have wasted a lot of time on something, spent a lot of money on it, wasted the intellectual capacity all for nothing. But I cannot admit that so I will resort to ..... Republicans are bad.... umkkkkk
2) No, the left is not. It just appears that way to partisan hacks who can see their gods do know wrong.
1) Your translator is broken. Yes we have wasted a lot of time, money and effort trying to convince anti-science jackass Republicans that global warming is a problem that needs to be addressed.
2) It's fine for you to ignore political reality if you want. There is nothing hackish about admitting reality. In fact, quite the opposite. Hack.