India is a natural ally in the new Cold War

[Cypress]

India Is a Natural U.S. Ally in the New Cold War

--- America beat the Soviets by helping democracies get rich. In Asia, it’s high time to revive that approach ---

American strategists, meanwhile, are anxiously—and correctly—keeping a close watch on India’s development. A wealthy, powerful and democratic India would help frustrate China’s hegemonic ambitions and substantially offset Chinese influence in Central Asia, Southeast Asia and Africa. The stronger India becomes the less the U.S. must contribute to a balancing coalition of India, Japan, Australia and Vietnam that keeps Chinese ambitions in check.

In that kind of world, the nascent Washington-Beijing rivalry could fade into the background, and the U.S. could enjoy trade relationships with a rich Asia that posed fewer threats to American security. India’s emergence as an economic superpower would also strengthen the cause of democracy, demonstrating that people don’t have to give up their freedom to thrive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...ural-u-s-ally-in-the-new-cold-war-11590600011


Biggest laugh of the year? -- Deplorables pleading with us to kiss Putin's ass because the Chinese are so scary:

India is going to overtake the economies of Germany, UK, and Japan by 2030.

India's technological and military capabilities are on a fast upward trajectory, as evidenced by their space program.

The 21st century is going to be an Indian century, not a Russian one.

The vision you apparently have of India is a relic of the 1960s.

Your assumption that we have to kiss Putin's ass to have a counter balance to China runs contrary to historical trends. The geopolitical power axis of the 21st century is going to run through South Asia. Russia will be a second tier military power and a mediocre economic power by mid 20th century.

 

[Walt]

In most ways, India has more problems with China than we do.

It is amazing how many potential allies we have, that trump was willing to throw away.

 

[dukkha]

In most ways, India has more problems with China than we do.

It is amazing how many potential allies we have, that trump was willing to throw away.

FUCKING IDIOT.
Trump restarted the Quad, and went to India to court Modi.
Trump understood geopolitics -Biden only understands "human rights"

 

[Cypress]

In most ways, India has more problems with China than we do.

It is amazing how many potential allies we have, that trump was willing to throw away.

I believe the democratic world has to find ways to cooperate to counterbalance the authoritarian vision of Putin's Russia and communist China.

Most conservatives on this forum desire to be Vladimir Putin's subservient lapdog.

I believe strong, lasting alliances are built on shared values. India is a democratic country with strong traditions in English common law.

USA, Japan, South Korea, India makes emminent sense as a partnership to me.

The assumption that we need to kiss Putin's ass to counterbalance China, is a misguided Trumpist view of reality. India is an emerging superpower which will easily surpass Russia in economic and conventional military power by mid-21st century. The 21st century is going to be an Indian century, not a Kremlin century.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

I believe the democratic world has to find ways to cooperate to counterbalance the authoritarian vision of Putin's Russia and communist China.

Most conservatives on this forum desire to be Vladimir Putin's subservient lapdog.

I believe strong, lasting alliances are built on shared values. India is a democratic country with strong traditions in English common law.

USA, Japan, South Korea, India makes emminent sense as a partnership to me.

The assumption that we need to kiss Putin's ass to counterbalance China, is a misguided Trumpist view of reality. India is an emerging superpower which will easily surpass Russia in economic and conventional military power by mid-21st century. The 21st century is going to be an Indian century, not a Kremlin century.

I fear that Modi's Indian is very far from being a democratic paradise and wonder how many are going to be left over when his crap-up over the pandemic finally ends.

 

[Cypress]

FUCKING IDIOT.
Trump restarted the Quad, and went to India to court Modi.
Trump understood geopolitics -Biden only understands "human rights"

All you have ever done for the last four years is holler that we need to kiss Putin's ass because you are so frightened of the Chinese.

You do not retroactively get to claim credit that you were promoting a USA-Indian united front against China

 

[Cypress]

I fear that Modi's Indian is very far from being a democratic paradise and wonder how many are going to be left over when his crap-up over the pandemic finally ends.

We can try to go on a quest to find more Norwegian and Canadian-style democracies in the world to partner with.

But our quest will end in disappointment.

By world standards, India shares more of our democratic tradition than most.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

We can try to go on a quest to find more Norwegian and Canadian-style democracies in the world to partner with.

But our quest will end in disappointment.

By world standards, India shares more of our democratic tradition than most.

It did but increasingly does not - that's my point. The danger is that you will end up shooting down even more Muslims as Modi works to retain power as he loses support.

 

[dukkha]

All you have ever done for the last four years is holler that we need to kiss Putin's ass because you are so frightened of the Chinese.

You do not retroactively get to claim credit that you were promoting a USA-Indian united front against China

so you are not "frightened" of the Chinese? I am- wary not" frightened".
I do threat assessments and they are the top threat by their world hegemony and stated desires to replace the western world order

I've long advocated bringing India as far as possible into any non-Chinese transactional or even alliances.
India is forced by the border war in Kashmir -to find military alliances

It was Trump that restarted the Quad , and courted Modi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilateral_Security_Dialogue
During the 2017 ASEAN Summits in Manila, all four former members led by Shinzo Abe, Narendra Modi, Malcolm Turnbull, and Donald Trump agreed to revive the quadrilateral alliance in order to counter China militarily and diplomatically in the South China Sea.

 

[dukkha]

I believe the democratic world has to find ways to cooperate to counterbalance the authoritarian vision of Putin's Russia and communist China.

start with basic triangulation .Even Nixon got this basic idea of separating China and Russia
We threw away 40 + years of a successful realpolitik by meddling in the Euromaidan

our Russian sanctions leave Putin nowhere else to go, but into the Sino orbit

 

[Cypress]

start with basic triangulation .Even Nixon got this basic idea of separating China and Russia
We threw away 40 + years of a successful realpolitik by meddling in the Euromaidan

our Russian sanctions leave Putin nowhere else to go, but into the Sino orbit

We never became allies with China.

USSR and China had gone their separate ways long before Nixon showed up. Russia and China never have been, and never will be natural allies.

We share enough of our values with India for the makings of a long lasting geopolitical partnership.

Your focus on becoming Putin's lapdog is a waste of time.

 

[dukkha]

We never became allies with China.

USSR and China had gone their separate ways long before Nixon showed up. Russia and China never have been, and never will be natural allies.

We share enough of our values with India for the makings of a long lasting geopolitical partnership.

Your focus on becoming Putin's lapdog is a waste of time.

who said anything about our being allies with China??
Do you even understand "triangulation" or the "Nixon China card"?

China and Russia are full partner in the SCO ( Shanghai Cooperation Org), increasing joint trade in non- dollars
and have had joint military ops under a unified command. Vostok 2018.

Putin has even said he cant rule out a "permanent" China/Russia military alliance
You need to catch up

 

[Cypress]

so you are not "frightened" of the Chinese? I am- wary not" frightened".
I do threat assessments and they are the top threat by their world hegemony and stated desires to replace the western world order

I've long advocated bringing India as far as possible into any non-Chinese transactional or even alliances.
India is forced by the border war in Kashmir -to find military alliances

It was Trump that restarted the Quad , and courted Modi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilateral_Security_Dialogue
During the 2017 ASEAN Summits in Manila, all four former members led by Shinzo Abe, Narendra Modi, Malcolm Turnbull, and Donald Trump agreed to revive the quadrilateral alliance in order to counter China militarily and diplomatically in the South China Sea.

I consider China a competitor.

You have no consistent record of promoting a partnership with democratic India as a counterbalance with China.

Virtually all your recorded effort on this board is oriented to advocating becoming Putin's lapdog with the ostensible goal of counterbalancing China.

I think it is very foolish to beg Putin to be our friend because the Chinese frighten Deplorables.

India is the emerging superpower of the 21st century, and we actually share some democratic values with them.

 

[Cypress]

Russia is not a fading power because it's getting economic ties to China.

Putin's military is every bit as good as NATO.

Putin's military is not even close to NATO standards of weaponry, organization, leadership. And China isn't lifting a finger to give Putin any real tangible military aid or military assistance, even as Putin has bogged down in a major European war.

 

[Hawkeye10]

It looks to me like we are in the process of losing India to China.

 

[Cypress]

It looks to me like we are in the process of losing India to China.

India periodically fights border wars and skirmishes with China, as recently as last year, so your judgement here is as bad as your judgement was on Ukraine

 

[evince]

India also has many ethnic groups



They are seeking better treatment


They will become more Democratic as time goes by

 

[Hawkeye10]

India periodically fights border wars and skirmishes with China, as recently as last year, so your judgement here is as bad as your judgement was on Ukraine

India is desperate to keep their place as non aligned in this total war between the West and the New Chinese Empire.....but it looks to me like they are edging ever closer to siding with China.....which is 100% caused by Western bad behaviour and the fact that the West is rapidly dying. Remember that being non aligned was also once the Russian plan, but the West completely fucked that up.

 

[evince]

India is desperate to keep their place as non aligned in this total war between the West and the New Chinese Empire.....but it looks to me like they are edging ever closer to siding with China.....which is 100% caused by Western bad behaviour and the fact that the West is rapidly dying. Remember that being non aligned was also once the Russian plan, but the West completely fucked that up.

Failsauce



You are an idiot

 

[Hawkeye10]

Failsauce



You are an idiot

You are a liar.