Why we need the Draft Back!

First : Please provide proof that the selective service was created to handle the volunteer influx.
Second: Stop repeating the long disproving lie that Clinton "gutted" the military. The FACT is that many of his requested increases to the military were blocked by Republicans in Congress & Senate.
Third: The Shrub & company consistently stated that the military volunteer status was more than enough to handle the invasion/occupation of Iraq. That was a lie, as the back door draft has proven.
1) Read a little history. Ignorance and then requesting "proof" just shows how stupid people are choosing to be in their pursuit of defending the bullshit their parties throw at them. But there are a few facts.

In 1941 available military training facitilites could handle approximately 16,000 new recruits per 8-week training period, less than 100,000 new recruits per year. On December 8, 1941 more than 150,000 men showed up nation wide to volunteer for military service. That's 1.5 years worth of recruits using available facilities. Even moving at emergency speeds, new training facilities were 6 months to a year away from being able to take on additional load. Now YOU think about it. You have 150,000 recruits IN ONE DAY, and more coming in the following days. How do you determine who gets trained first? By lottery - ie: selective service.


2) Where in the FUCK did you pull THAT lie out of? Your anus must be HUGE!

Reagan had built up the military to unprecedented peacetime heights. His focus was to increase the full time military by 20% and the ready reserves by 60% over a 20 year period. You ignorant pissant libtards scream bloody fucking murder about it for 8 fucking years,

Bush 41 significantly decreased the buildup as denoted by Reagan's 20 year plan, but still continued some build up while shifting focus to additional training for ready reserves. By the end of the combined 12 years under Reagan and Bush 41 the full time military had seen a 15% total increase in personnel and 12% increase in ready equipment. The ready reserves had seen a 45% increase in personnel and an incredible 35% increase in ready equipment.

Clinton's first 2 years in office changed all of that. First thing they did was cut training funds for ready reserves. Then they passed legislation reducing the size of both full time and ready reserve components. I was still serving at the time. I know what happened from inside. I saw people I worked with double slotted (ie: they were put in the same job as another soldier) because their old slot was eliminated. That means when promotion time comes, only one of them will be promoted as a slot above them opens up. It also means they wait twice as long because chances were the slot above them is also double slotted, taking twice as long to open up. The result was a HUGE number of trained soldiers choosing to ETS rather than sit around with their careers essentially put on hold.

There were brigades that were decreased to regiments. There were regiments completely taken off the books. The reasdy reserves were even worse. A specific instance, the 163d Armored Brigade of Montana National Guard (which included units in the Wyoming National Guard) was eleminated. In it's place they kept 2 out of 4 maneuver battalions and an air supprt wing. Eliminated were an artillery bn, transport bn, HHQ company, air attack bn, and several other support units. It resulted in a 65% reduction in personnel slots for the Montana and Wyoming Army National Guards.

Your little piece of "history" is an outright, bone faced lie.


3) A volunteer force WOULD be enough. The force as built up under REagan was all volunteer, and had enough more people at the time to handle the current crisis. And lets not mention the fact that it is hard to recruit people when others are running around vandalizing recruiting offices, interfering with the recruiting process, etc. Building up additional forces in a time of crisis is always difficult. That is why I detest the way the democratic party ALWAYS wants to cut military spending in time of peace (and in some politician's case - who thankfully lost - in time of war.)
 
1) Read a little history. Ignorance and then requesting "proof" just shows how stupid people are choosing to be in their pursuit of defending the bullshit their parties throw at them. But there are a few facts.

In 1941 available military training facitilites could handle approximately 16,000 new recruits per 8-week training period, less than 100,000 new recruits per year. On December 8, 1941 more than 150,000 men showed up nation wide to volunteer for military service. That's 1.5 years worth of recruits using available facilities. Even moving at emergency speeds, new training facilities were 6 months to a year away from being able to take on additional load. Now YOU think about it. You have 150,000 recruits IN ONE DAY, and more coming in the following days. How do you determine who gets trained first? By lottery - ie: selective service.


2) Where in the FUCK did you pull THAT lie out of? Your anus must be HUGE!

Reagan had built up the military to unprecedented peacetime heights. His focus was to increase the full time military by 20% and the ready reserves by 60% over a 20 year period. You ignorant pissant libtards scream bloody fucking murder about it for 8 fucking years,

Bush 41 significantly decreased the buildup as denoted by Reagan's 20 year plan, but still continued some build up while shifting focus to additional training for ready reserves. By the end of the combined 12 years under Reagan and Bush 41 the full time military had seen a 15% total increase in personnel and 12% increase in ready equipment. The ready reserves had seen a 45% increase in personnel and an incredible 35% increase in ready equipment.

Clinton's first 2 years in office changed all of that. First thing they did was cut training funds for ready reserves. Then they passed legislation reducing the size of both full time and ready reserve components. I was still serving at the time. I know what happened from inside. I saw people I worked with double slotted (ie: they were put in the same job as another soldier) because their old slot was eliminated. That means when promotion time comes, only one of them will be promoted as a slot above them opens up. It also means they wait twice as long because chances were the slot above them is also double slotted, taking twice as long to open up. The result was a HUGE number of trained soldiers choosing to ETS rather than sit around with their careers essentially put on hold.

There were brigades that were decreased to regiments. There were regiments completely taken off the books. The reasdy reserves were even worse. A specific instance, the 163d Armored Brigade of Montana National Guard (which included units in the Wyoming National Guard) was eleminated. In it's place they kept 2 out of 4 maneuver battalions and an air supprt wing. Eliminated were an artillery bn, transport bn, HHQ company, air attack bn, and several other support units. It resulted in a 65% reduction in personnel slots for the Montana and Wyoming Army National Guards.

Your little piece of "history" is an outright, bone faced lie.


3) A volunteer force WOULD be enough. The force as built up under REagan was all volunteer, and had enough more people at the time to handle the current crisis. And lets not mention the fact that it is hard to recruit people when others are running around vandalizing recruiting offices, interfering with the recruiting process, etc. Building up additional forces in a time of crisis is always difficult. That is why I detest the way the democratic party ALWAYS wants to cut military spending in time of peace (and in some politician's case - who thankfully lost - in time of war.)

Forget trying to educate them; because the real reason they want a Draft, is so that unhappy people will be forced to join the Military.
That way they won't do as good, other people will be unhappy, and therefore less will volunteer.
I believe they truly want the US to be without any Military Force and to be reliant upon the UN, with the US supplying unhappy Military personnel to the UN.
 
LOL

Could you imagine if OB instituted a draft, we would have the largest mass migration of cowardly libtards to Canada.

Then what would be the point? God knows you chicken hawks talk a good game but if you actually had to fight, you'd shit all over your selves.
 
If a draft is ever deemed necessary, there should be NO exemptions for reasons other than physical or mental, or in some cases for hardship. Just because your daddy is a Senator doesn't qualify for exemption, nor should because someone is in college or even medical school.

What must be rethought is the entire concept of war.

War is a Racket .. General Smedley Butler
 
So there was no draft during WW2? It was all volunteers? That is a load of crap.
There was selective service. It's purpose was to handle the huge influx of volunteers because training facilities could not handle the load. Volunteers were told to go home and wait for their numbers. Word about staying home to wait spread quite rapidly, so I suppose, technically, if a person simply stayed home as advised, they were "drafted" instead of volunteered.

A second purpose for selective service during WWII was to keep men in "essential services" at home, to include certain types of engineers, people in the cargo transport industry, assure farms were not completely depleted of hands, etc.

There was a draft of medical personnel, especially surgeons. There was also a draft of other high end, needed professions.

Few who are under 50 Y.O. can even have a glimmering of the type of nationalistic patriotism that was prevalent in the years leading up to WWII. With nationalism being a dirty word in the mindless drug-dream philosophy of modern liberalism, the idea of volunteering immediately upon being attacked by a foreign nation is probably beyond the scope of many today. Add to that the still bitter taste of the Vietnam era, when the liberals demonized the military (a practice they keep up today even while claiming to "honor" those who serve). Little wonder people cannot comprehend a time when men of this nation understood - and met the call to arms.
 
Nationalism can be a very bad thing when taken to extremes. SuperPatriots are scary, to follow without question, that is not the premise upon which our country was built. The Founding Fathers encouraged doubt and questioning when it comes to government. It is the reason for checks and balances.

You need reasoned support of your country, you can't be a lemming.
 
There was selective service. It's purpose was to handle the huge influx of volunteers because training facilities could not handle the load. Volunteers were told to go home and wait for their numbers. Word about staying home to wait spread quite rapidly, so I suppose, technically, if a person simply stayed home as advised, they were "drafted" instead of volunteered.

A second purpose for selective service during WWII was to keep men in "essential services" at home, to include certain types of engineers, people in the cargo transport industry, assure farms were not completely depleted of hands, etc.

There was a draft of medical personnel, especially surgeons. There was also a draft of other high end, needed professions.

Few who are under 50 Y.O. can even have a glimmering of the type of nationalistic patriotism that was prevalent in the years leading up to WWII. With nationalism being a dirty word in the mindless drug-dream philosophy of modern liberalism, the idea of volunteering immediately upon being attacked by a foreign nation is probably beyond the scope of many today. Add to that the still bitter taste of the Vietnam era, when the liberals demonized the military (a practice they keep up today even while claiming to "honor" those who serve). Little wonder people cannot comprehend a time when men of this nation understood - and met the call to arms.

My father had a HS diploma, never volunteered and was DRAFTED!
You are full of crap.
 
The Democrats were always pushing for a draft during the Bush era. Now that they've got both houses and the Prez what are they waiting for?

Love how the Dim dimwits ignored your very perceptive question...

The Dims own the House
The Dims own the Senate
The Dims own the White House
The Dims have asked for a military draft

So...whats stopping them.....other than the fact that they are hypocrites....
 
My father had a HS diploma, never volunteered and was DRAFTED!
You are full of crap.
So, did he wait at home like all others who were told to wait for their number (thus never really volunteered) or did he hide away at home like a whiny little chicken shit, hoping not to get called?
 
Love how the Dim dimwits ignored your very perceptive question...

The Dims own the House
The Dims own the Senate
The Dims own the White House
The Dims have asked for a military draft

So...whats stopping them.....other than the fact that they are hypocrites....
Democrats are a lying sack of liars.:clink:
 
Love how the Dim dimwits ignored your very perceptive question...

The Dims own the House
The Dims own the Senate
The Dims own the White House
The Dims have asked for a military draft

So...whats stopping them.....other than the fact that they are hypocrites....
They're waiting for the right political moment. Activating the selective service now would doom them in 2010 and they know it. Gotta time things just right when you're turning a republic into a totalitarian state.
 
LOL

Could you imagine if OB instituted a draft, we would have the largest mass migration of cowardly libtards to Canada.

Yes, I can imagine that too!

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1) Read a little history. Ignorance and then requesting "proof" just shows how stupid people are choosing to be in their pursuit of defending the bullshit their parties throw at them. But there are a few facts.

In 1941 available military training facitilites could handle approximately 16,000 new recruits per 8-week training period, less than 100,000 new recruits per year. On December 8, 1941 more than 150,000 men showed up nation wide to volunteer for military service. That's 1.5 years worth of recruits using available facilities. Even moving at emergency speeds, new training facilities were 6 months to a year away from being able to take on additional load. Now YOU think about it. You have 150,000 recruits IN ONE DAY, and more coming in the following days. How do you determine who gets trained first? By lottery - ie: selective service.


2) Where in the FUCK did you pull THAT lie out of? Your anus must be HUGE!

Reagan had built up the military to unprecedented peacetime heights. His focus was to increase the full time military by 20% and the ready reserves by 60% over a 20 year period. You ignorant pissant libtards scream bloody fucking murder about it for 8 fucking years,

Bush 41 significantly decreased the buildup as denoted by Reagan's 20 year plan, but still continued some build up while shifting focus to additional training for ready reserves. By the end of the combined 12 years under Reagan and Bush 41 the full time military had seen a 15% total increase in personnel and 12% increase in ready equipment. The ready reserves had seen a 45% increase in personnel and an incredible 35% increase in ready equipment.

Clinton's first 2 years in office changed all of that. First thing they did was cut training funds for ready reserves. Then they passed legislation reducing the size of both full time and ready reserve components. I was still serving at the time. I know what happened from inside. I saw people I worked with double slotted (ie: they were put in the same job as another soldier) because their old slot was eliminated. That means when promotion time comes, only one of them will be promoted as a slot above them opens up. It also means they wait twice as long because chances were the slot above them is also double slotted, taking twice as long to open up. The result was a HUGE number of trained soldiers choosing to ETS rather than sit around with their careers essentially put on hold.

There were brigades that were decreased to regiments. There were regiments completely taken off the books. The reasdy reserves were even worse. A specific instance, the 163d Armored Brigade of Montana National Guard (which included units in the Wyoming National Guard) was eleminated. In it's place they kept 2 out of 4 maneuver battalions and an air supprt wing. Eliminated were an artillery bn, transport bn, HHQ company, air attack bn, and several other support units. It resulted in a 65% reduction in personnel slots for the Montana and Wyoming Army National Guards.

Your little piece of "history" is an outright, bone faced lie.


3) A volunteer force WOULD be enough. The force as built up under REagan was all volunteer, and had enough more people at the time to handle the current crisis. And lets not mention the fact that it is hard to recruit people when others are running around vandalizing recruiting offices, interfering with the recruiting process, etc. Building up additional forces in a time of crisis is always difficult. That is why I detest the way the democratic party ALWAYS wants to cut military spending in time of peace (and in some politician's case - who thankfully lost - in time of war.)

Look whos talking. Where did you get this shit other than pulling it straight out of your ass. The Draft began more than a year before the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1940. I mear are you making this shit up whole cloth?

And another point. What fucking difference does it make wether or not a person serving was drafted or volunteered. They served their country and that's all there is to it. They deserve all honors for defending their country. My Uncle served during WWII. He was drafted and served his nation at time of war in one of the most dangerous of jobs as a B-24 Liberator pilot. He survived being shot down and a German POW Camp for 2 years. If that aint good enough for you, then your are seriously fucked up.

You seem to think that cause a person has something better to do with their life then killing other people that this makes them some sort of fucking coward. Well my friend, there's more than one way to walk the talk.
 
It is the brainwashing they get while in the service. They can't help themselves Motttlydude.
 
It is the brainwashing they get while in the service. They can't help themselves Motttlydude.

Naaa, that's a cop out. There are times where the military will pound sand up their ass but they train soldiers not robots meaning they still have to think. You can't blame the military for the fucked up thinking of some individuals. The US Military is like any other large institution in this nation. They are a reflection and a kaleidescope of this nations diversity. Farm Boys from Iowa serving with inner city kids from Detroit serving with rednecks from Mississippi and Cowboys from Texas. About the only think you won't find in the US military is a chicken hawk Republican.
 
Love how the Dim dimwits ignored your very perceptive question...

The Dims own the House
The Dims own the Senate
The Dims own the White House
The Dims have asked for a military draft

So...whats stopping them.....other than the fact that they are hypocrites....

For the mentally impaired ...

The democrats were NOT pushing for a draft, Charlie Rangel was .. and he met a lot of opposition for many other democrats for supporting a draft.

Even Rangel himself voted against the bill .. which he introduced to make a point about shared sacrifice and to highlight the fraud of the Iraq War.

The House voted 2-402 against suspending the debate and moving toward passage, meaning that the bill could be debated in perpetuity. The procedural motion is an action that prompts the sponsor of the legislation to pull it out of consideration.

Rangel himself voted against the bill, though he could argue that the procedural rules that guided the vote, which would have required a two-thirds approval, forced him to oppose it. However, Rangel has acknowledged that the legislation was also devised to arouse more controversy and debate about the war in Iraq, which was only in the planning stages when the bill was introduced.

"It's a wake-up call as to the sincerity that people have to supporting the war," Rangel said. "If they believe in the war, they should be able to say that everyone's family should be prepared to make the sacrifice."

Rangel suggested that the threat of a draft could move public support away from the administration's Iraq policy.

"If the American people don't support it, they're not going to support the draft," Rangel said. "And the administration is going to have to take a different look as to how you get rid of evil people."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134546,00.html

That from a source the mentally impaired can believe in.

Even the democratic leader of the House was against any draft ..

Pelosi Opposes Rangel on Draft

Nancy Pelosi has stated that the House leadership will not support Charles Rangel’s proposal to resume the draft. I doubt anybody thinks this measure will get any further this time than when Rangle proposed resuming the draft when in the minority party.
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=655

I understand how deperately hopeless life has become for our mentally challenged friends on the right and how it must really suck to be you .. but Charles Rangel is not the Democratic Party and if you need to know the thinking behind proposing a draft in the first place ... well, now you know.
 
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