evince
Truthmatters
Fox News drove racism
It began with fox and Lush Limpballs
Then more hate clowns joined the gang
This HATE was designed by right wing media
MEGAN MARKLE...THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO PRINCE HARRY
- Thread starter Dachshund
- Start date
Fox News drove racism
It began with fox and Lush Limpballs
Then more hate clowns joined the gang
This HATE was designed by right wing media
evince
Truthmatters
You buggers don't half live in a fairy-tale world, as you spend your days kissing the arses of the rich!
Because the Republican Party cheats in elections so they can serve the wealthy and screw the people
That party will soon be dead
This nation is very close to being a democracy again
And the wealthy will be doing the peoples bidding soon
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
The hatred, given our differences, is totally rational, Oom.
It's pipedreams of unity that are not.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Even pre-European settlement America was divided by racism, 'vince.
The indigenous tribes disrespected one another and warred frequently..
Then we introduced slavery.
That guaranteed racial hatred that could never begin to subside prior to a millennial after its abolition.
The racism has always been here, but permission to flaunt it was temporarily constrained.
Fox News and trumpanzees restored the permission.
Changing humans hearts can only come from gradual evolution, not from statutes.
Statutes, however, can force us to recognize equal rights for all regardless of our personal feelings.
That's what we need to be doing now.
If you were as wise as you are old, then you'd know that hatred is irrational. I don't kill a rabid dog because I hate it. Hating throws off my aim. I kill the rabid dog because it's the rational thing to do both for the safety of all and for the mercy of the dog.
It's silly to be angry at a rabid dog much less hate it since both are emotions. Emotions, by their nature, are irrational. It's logic not emotion that separates us from the animals.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Your points are not completely irrational, Oom,
but I, like everybody else, didn't draw my own blueprint.
HATE is the predominant element of my DNA.
Without it in my heart, I would be somebody else altogether.
Trumpanzees are devolved mutants.
I am an actual human, but mildly compromised by excessive hatred in my makeup.
You needn't concern yourself, Oom, about things like the above; they can never change.
cancel2 2022
Canceled
Yet the NHS was ranked twice as the best healthcare system by the US based Commonwealth Fund!
The NHS has been judged the best, safest and most affordable healthcare system out of 11 countries analysed and ranked by experts from the influential Commonwealth Fund health thinktank.
It is the second time in a row that the study, which is undertaken every three years, has found the UK to have the highest-rated health system.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/14/nhs-holds-on-to-top-spot-in-healthcare-survey
Hate puts you on the same side as the chimps and Trumpanzees, dude. Not on the side of mankind.
Well, I must admit, that the two times I was admitted to an NHS Trust Hospital in England, were in the first half of the 1990s, so I guess I really cannot speak for the NHS generally as the service changes over time. One general comment I would make, though, is that the quality of service the NHS in England provides seems to be dependent on political factors. I mean, the Tories, when they are in power, are probably less likely to fund the NHS as generously as the Labout Party, simply for ideological reasons (?).
II was not intending to hurl a broadside at your NHS. I am a great Anglophile and I lived in Herts (Bishop's Stortford) for many years. I am Australian, but my wife and son are English. When I was in Bishop's Stortford in 2018, I did have to see an NHS GP in the town a few times, and I must admit that the service I received was very good: if you have a medical emergency you can be seen immediately; appointments were running on time; the GP I saw was excellent, and everything was very well organized with respect to prescriptions and other medical paper paperwork. Given that England had a pretty high population density (I think Britain has a population of around 56 million ?) I was very impressed.
I now live in Australia and, as you might know, we have a copy-cat model of the British NHS here called "Medicare"; it work on pretty much the same principles, except your NHS is even more generous. Most average Australians who see a GP have to pay a certain percentage of the GP's consultation fee; whereas in England a consultation with a GP is 100% free. Also there are also lots of members of the public in England who get all of their prescriptions totally for free.
The English are, I know, very fond and protective of their NHS. That's fair enough, because it always was/is a winning idea for England. That and "page 3" of the Sun newspaper. I used to read the "Sun" religiously every day in England I loved punsters and the political commentry as well. When I was in Blighty visiting my wife and son in 2018, I made a B-Line for the newspapers when we went shopping one day in our local "Sainsburys" and opened a copy of the "Sun" to "page 3". My wife suddenly appeared at my shoulder with a smug look on her face and said: "They banned it." I was initially stunned; then angry when I realised that a great British institution had been destroyed by the politically correct left. "Is nothing sacred !", I thought. Getting back to the NHS... Ordinarily I am skeptical of socialised government services, because I am a traditional Conservative. In fact, I was a paid up member of the British Conservative Party in Blighty all through the turbulent 1990s when John Major and then William Hague were the Party leaders ( and "Citizen" John Major was PM, of course). How's that for Dorky ?
Actually, I think one of the reasons my wife finally kicked me out was when she discovered I had spent £1000 to join the Tory Party's "1000 Club" during the 1990's. It was a fund-raising idea the Party had at the time. When you were a member of the "1000 Club" you were entitled to attend scheduled, sit-down dinners in London where Tory MPs and at least a Minister or two are "guaranteed" be in attendance, and you would have to opportunity to a chat with them. My wife who was not particularly interested in politics, but believed John Major was a "sleazey rat" for having had an extra-marital affair with Edwina Curry, thought I was utterly insane. The American progressive left wants to set up its own version of the NHS; and I am sympathetic to the idea of comprehensive government-funded health care, especially for those "deserving poor" who are in genuine need of medical treatment and unable to afford health insurance, etc. I tend to agree with the moral argument that free (or cheap) access to good quality mecical care is a universal human right as opposed to a privilge/commodity. America, however, has a relatively large population ( about 335 million) compared to Australia (25 million) and the UK (56 million), so providing free, comprehensive healthcare in the US would be EXTREMELY costly. It is not just the larger size of America's population, in itself, that would make a universal, socialized, healthcare system very costly; there are other demographic factors as well that would make "Medicare-for -All" far more expensive to run relative to the NHS in England and "Medicare" Australia...
I've read that America's proposed "Medicare for All" plan - which is a single-payer, universal health care system like your NHS, would cost the US federal government an estimated 28 to 32 Trillion dollars over 10 years. Most of this cost burden would be bourne by the American middle class in the form of very sharp tax hikes. Something progressive Democrat politicians like AOC and Elizabeth Warren (Pocahontas) who is a great advocate of "Medicare - for -All" never seem to mention (?) All up, around 75% of Americans would actually be WORSE OFFfinancially under a universal "Medicare for All" healthcare system than they are now. Also, in America, there are racial/immigration factors to take into account which are not as pressing in Australia and the UK. Take, for example, the majority of both the illegal aliens and the legal immigrants who have been pouring into America since 1965 through the Southern Border and from other countries in the 3rd world (Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, Vietnam, African nations like Nigeria, Afghanistan, etc). Many of the these people are impoverished peasants who are poorly educated, have no marketable employment skills (beyond basic manual labour) and cannot speak English. The Biden administration, is the most striking example at the moment. It has intentionally opened the southern border to what were once called illegal aliens migrating from Guatamala, Mexico, Honduras, etc; and will no doubt provide then provide them with free government benefits of all kinds: Welfare programs (TANF, SNAP, etc), public housing/accomodation, and so on (and, of course, some fast-track process to citizenship so that they will have the franchise and then vote, in their countless millions, for the Democrats !) Many of these Third World immigrants will end up providing cheap manual/unskilled labour for American employers while they are still young, when they're older (in their 40's, 50's and beyond) they will become permanently dependant on some combination of state Welfare/Social Security programs.
I think that the NHS is workable in England and Medicare workable in Australia, because ,we , in England and Australia because we dont have the kind of expensive Welfare costs that America does, to service on top of our universal socialised healthcare systems. For instance,EVERY YEAR the US Government has to spend a whopping $2 Trilliondollars on Welfare programs of different kinds. A great amount of the revenue the US government spends on Welfare goes to African-Americans ( i.e. 41.6% of them receive about $400 on average per month in Welfare. Next are the Hispanics/Latinos (36% of whom receive one or more federal government Welfare programs). Of the White (European) Americans who currently make up about 60% of America's population of about 335,000,000 million, only 13% receive Welfare benefits of any kind.
If America introduced a singler-payer, universal, healthcare system like "Medicare -for -All", it would be INUNDATED with poor - and therefore more vulnerable to all sorts of medical diseases and conditions - low-paid or unemployed, African -Americans and Hispanic /Latinos, (many of whom will not speak English, and therefore be more difficult and time-consuming for doctors and other medical staff to treat) and thereby substantially increase what it would cost the "Uncle Sam" to keep up and running. Demographic projections show the Africa - American and Hispanic/Latino populatins in the US will steadily increse over the coming decades, while the population of White Americans will dwindle in comparison.
This means that the White (in particular) American working and middle classes will be slugged even harder in terms of the increased tax they would be forced to pay to fund a universal "Medicare-for -All", single-payer healthcare system.
I think you need to bear in mind that while your NHS is a good system, (like our "Medicare" system in Australia is) they are very expensive to run. I don't know about yourself, but for an ordinary, (very ordinary in my case !) middle-class guy like me, who never earned a huge salary; you would be very surprised , I think, at how much tax you pay every month just to keep the NHS running.
Dachshund
Iolo/Penderyn
Verified User
One of the generals. We weren't free - like you we were being ruled by the rich.