The felons from Jan 6 should never legally carry a gun again.

[LV426]

more displays of your ignorance. you need some education instead of the shit your pansy assed family told you about the military

This is just what I've observed as an adult in the 21st century.

So look at it from my perspective; every single massive threat to this country in the last 21 years have never been stopped, let alone by our fabled military.

The budget for our military is nearly $1T when all is said and done, and for that $1T, what did we get? Nothing. No country is going to cross oceans to invade us. No country is going to provoke a shooting war with us because of M.A.D. So all we have done this century is invade countries we didn't need to, kill millions of people we didn't need to, and none of it -NONE OF IT- made us any safer today.

In fact, I'd argue it made us more vulnerable because the money we poured into the Marines could have gone into health care and medical research instead, which would have made tackling a pandemic way easier.

The money we poured into the Air Force (and Space Force) could have been used to shore up our vulnerable levies in the Gulf, so that cities like New Orleans and Houston wouldn't end up underwater.

The money we poured into the Army could have been used to shore up our cyber defenses, so no one could have attacked us and our infrastructure.

The money we poured into Iraq and Afghanistan could have rebuilt every single road, bridge, and tunnel in this country, which would have provided badly needed infrastructure to handle Climate Change, plus millions of good jobs.

So the money we poured into the military this century (nearly $20T) was money completely fucking wasted.

 

[LV426]

I'd love to hear that fantasy ROFL............what would your E-1 dumbass have done for 9/11

Ah, you're right...the Marines were powerless to stop 19 guys with boxcutters from hijacking planes and flying them into buildings.

"Gosh, how could we expect the military to defend us from that?" is not the good, insightful question you think it is.

 

[TTQ64]

More people in cities and urban areas own guns than people in your neck of the woods, asshole.

So if you want a Civil War, you're going to lose it, just like you lost the last one.

And unlike the last time, no one is going to kid gloves you afterwards.

You make empty and idle allusions and threats on JPP because you are a terrorist.

These cowards dont want none!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You're not going to find me defending wars started by Democrats, and I never have here.

Just one. A war criminal.

For the nearly $1T we spend on the military every year, they couldn't even protect us on 9/11 or 1/6.

You certainly love attacking people for doing their duty. You regularly insult the US military, all US troops and, no doubt, have done your fair share of spitting on them.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

This is just what I've observed as an adult in the 21st century.

So look at it from my perspective; every single massive threat to this country in the last 21 years have never been stopped, let alone by our fabled military.

The budget for our military is nearly $1T when all is said and done, and for that $1T, what did we get? Nothing. No country is going to cross oceans to invade us. No country is going to provoke a shooting war with us because of M.A.D. So all we have done this century is invade countries we didn't need to, kill millions of people we didn't need to, and none of it -NONE OF IT- made us any safer today.

In fact, I'd argue it made us more vulnerable because the money we poured into the Marines could have gone into health care and medical research instead, which would have made tackling a pandemic way easier.

The money we poured into the Air Force (and Space Force) could have been used to shore up our vulnerable levies in the Gulf, so that cities like New Orleans and Houston wouldn't end up underwater.

The money we poured into the Army could have been used to shore up our cyber defenses, so no one could have attacked us and our infrastructure.

The money we poured into Iraq and Afghanistan could have rebuilt every single road, bridge, and tunnel in this country, which would have provided badly needed infrastructure to handle Climate Change.

So the money we poured into the military this century (nearly $20T) was money completely fucking wasted.

you'll get no argument from me about the military budget. it's totally bloated MIC pork. After that being said, your short adult life is still full of ignorance about the military. how often do we hear about some military operation stopping some planned attack, at least when it's not aired for political clout? NEVER!!!!!

The USMC is the smallest military branch there is, yet we operate in all 3 theaters of warfare. M.A.D. only comes in to play if another nation uses nukes. Any regular shooting contest will not see a nuke used.

I now understand your low opinion of the military in general. you've never had any real world experience with them or it. you should so you don't look ignorant.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Ah, you're right...the Marines were powerless to stop 19 guys with boxcutters from hijacking planes and flying them into buildings.

"Gosh, how could we expect the military to defend us from that?" is not the good, insightful question you think it is.

I'm curious as to where you peg your level of political intelligence for government function as a whole. You seem to know very little about it, despite trying to make yourself sound more intelligent than others

 

[LV426]

You certainly love attacking people for doing their duty..

BUT. THEY. DIDN'T. DO. THEIR. DUTY.

Not on 9/11, not for the DC sniper, not for the anthrax attacks, not for the mass shooters, not for the insurrectionists, not for the virus, not for the hackers, not for the foreign meddlers in our elections.

They didn't (and aren't) doing their duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, nor are they doing their duty in Syria or Somalia.

The threats the military protects us from are all imaginary, and the threats they don't protect us from are all real.

 

[LV426]

You regularly insult the US military, all US troops and, no doubt, have done your fair share of spitting on them.

If I performed as badly at my job as the military has at theirs in the last 20 years, I'd be unemployed and unemployable.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

BUT. THEY. DIDN'T. DO. THEIR. DUTY.

Not on 9/11, not for the DC sniper, not for the anthrax attacks, not for the mass shooters, not for the insurrectionists, not for the virus, not for the hackers, not for the foreign meddlers in our elections.

They didn't (and aren't) doing their duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, nor are they doing their duty in Syria or Somalia.

The threats the military protects us from are all imaginary, and the threats they don't protect us from are all real.

did you ever actually take a civics class? understand how the military works? where their orders come from? how they can't just operate on their own but need civilian leaders to tell them what to do????

 

[SmarterthanYou]

If I performed as badly at my job as the military has at theirs in the last 20 years, I'd be unemployed and unemployable.

would you approve of a military coup that ousts civilian officials and takes over to better protect the country????

 

[Dutch Uncle]

BUT. THEY. DIDN'T. DO. THEIR. DUTY.

You're lying again, dear.

This is the problem I have with many "veterans"...people who chose to join the military, likely out of desperation because they had no employable skills or experience for the private sector.

So they end up taking the path of least resistance, and in doing so, think that because they chose that particular path, we should respect them moreso than anyone else...even people who chose similarly, but were in actual active combat and at risk.

Like Ashli Babbit...she wasn't some Intelligence officer...she was a coffee girl. She had a desk job. She never once fired her weapon. In fact, the only time she did was probably in Basic Training.

 

[Underdog]

Did they? Like what? Nothing. They've done nothing this century, and you know what? Didn't really do a whole lot in the last half of the 20th century either.




The military seems to do everything except protect this country from threats.




No, I didn't attack service members...I attacked the lazy folks who used military service as a means of guaranteed employment because you lacked the skills and experience to get a private sector job.

The soldiers on the front lines, in the foxholes...those guys and gals are heroes and I have no problem with their service. In fact, I commend it and and thankful for it.

National Guard? Love 'em. They're great.

But the ones sitting in desks across this country, like the Coast Guard in KANSAS...we can do without those folks and they don't do shit to protect us.

QED this virus.

1. That is lie #14
2. That is also a lie, #15
3. Also a lie #16
4. again #17
5. just what do you think marines do, so noy you dont respect them lie #18
6. wait, I thought you only respected guys in fox holes. national guard don't sit in foxholes for the most part, Lie #19
7. There is an argument for downsizing but for every guy in a foxhole you need several support personell so you are ignorant here.
8. makes no sense.


LV426 LIE COUNTER 19 lies in 3 posts.

 

[LV426]

you'll get no argument from me about the military budget. it's totally bloated MIC pork.

Yeah. It really sucks.

After that being said, your short adult life is still full of ignorance about the military. how often do we hear about some military operation stopping some planned attack, at least when it's not aired for political clout? NEVER!!!!

Well, I guess it is hard to prove that, but also kinda convenient too, right? Like, you can just SAY this operation prevented something else without really having the task of proving it true.

So OK, so you'll argue that the military, through its actions and operations, prevented another 9/11 from happening...but that still doesn't address the elephant of 9/11 itself, which the military couldn't stop.

And neither could the military stop mass shootings, pandemics, biological weapon attacks, hackers, and foreign meddling in our elections.

I'd be more impressed with the military if it actually protected us from real threats, not just imagined ones.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

If I performed as badly at my job as the military has at theirs in the last 20 years, I'd be unemployed and unemployable.

Funny how you pick 20 years instead of the last 100.

Maybe if you had ever served in the military then you'd know more history and the chain of command.

The fact you don't recognize the difference between having Biden as President and having President-for-Life Trump were all of these failed military leaders you keep yammering about.

You should be more supportive of the United States military because they saved you from having to pick up a gun yourself and join a resistance group against a tyrannical government run by the Trumps.

 

[LV426]

The USMC is the smallest military branch there is, yet we operate in all 3 theaters of warfare. M.A.D. only comes in to play if another nation uses nukes. Any regular shooting contest will not see a nuke used

Right, and over the last 20 years, no one has provoked us with a shooting war, though we have tried to provoke others like Iran.

I now understand your low opinion of the military in general. you've never had any real world experience with them or it. you should so you don't look ignorant.

Why do you think I've never had any real world experience with the military? Because they've never done anything to serve that point. They went missing on 9/11. They were nowhere to be found during COVID. They had no way of stopping hackers and election meddling.

So every time I've needed the military to protect us, they haven't.

I'd be impressed with them if not for the fact that 19 guys with boxcutters managed to pull off the biggest terror attack in our country's history, and the military could never ever have stopped it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Yeah. It really sucks.




Well, I guess it is hard to prove that, but also kinda convenient too, right? Like, you can just SAY this operation prevented something else without really having the task of proving it true.

So OK, so you'll argue that the military, through its actions and operations, prevented another 9/11 from happening...but that still doesn't address the elephant of 9/11 itself, which the military couldn't stop.

And neither could the military stop mass shootings, pandemics, biological weapon attacks, hackers, and foreign meddling in our elections.

I'd be more impressed with the military if it actually protected us from real threats, not just imagined ones.

you're either clueless about two specific points here, or deliberately avoiding them.

1. The military cannot willy nilly decide to go fight somewhere or operate without orders from the commander in chief, who can't give orders without actionable intelligence from other civilian departments like CIA
2. The Posse Comitatus act specifically prohibits the armed forces from acting as local law enforcement..........

i'll ask again, would you prefer a military coup that ousts civilian officials so the military can protect the country to your satisfaction?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Why do you think I've never had any real world experience with the military?

Mainly because you're expecting them to do things that LEGALLY they cannot.

 

[LV426]

I'm curious as to where you peg your level of political intelligence for government function as a whole.

OK so now you're going to argue that the military's job isn't to defend the country because they couldn't stop 19 guys armed with boxcutters on 9/11, and couldn't be expected to stop them either?

So if we couldn't expect the Military to protect us on 9/11, how can we expect them to protect us at all?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Right, and over the last 20 years, no one has provoked us with a shooting war,...

Have you forgotten this?

Oooh, and one more year you'd have been correct! Awww.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

OK so now you're going to argue that the military's job isn't to defend the country because they couldn't stop 19 guys armed with boxcutters on 9/11, and couldn't be expected to stop them either?

So if we couldn't expect the Military to protect us on 9/11, how can we expect them to protect us at all?

you would prefer a military dictatorship, then. got it.