The felons from Jan 6 should never legally carry a gun again.

Concart said:
Don't agree. If you want to decriminalize something, you make it a petty misdemeanor. I don't think the legal definition of crime includes petty misdemeanors. But I'm picking nits, fundamentally we are in agreement. I'm not sure about that specific trespass statute (the one you mentioned with intent), and that may very well be more than a petty misdemeanor. I just looked up the charge for trespassing on federal property, so you could very well be right about that. Above my pay grade.
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"A misdemeanor is a crime punishable by less than 12 months in jail. Community service, probation, fines, and imprisonment for less than a year are commonly issued punishments for misdemeanors. More grievous crimes, felonies, carry stiffer penalties, including jail time of more than 12 months. type. wex definitions." - Cornell Law School

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/misd... definitions
 
Jarod said:
"A misdemeanor is a crime punishable by less than 12 months in jail. Community service, probation, fines, and imprisonment for less than a year are commonly issued punishments for misdemeanors. More grievous crimes, felonies, carry stiffer penalties, including jail time of more than 12 months. type. wex definitions." - Cornell Law School

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/misdemeanor#:~:text=A misdemeanor is a crime,wex definitions
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true, and you must be convicted of a felony to lose your gun rights.
 
Bulletbob said:
first there was no armed insurrection, there was a protest and some of the protesters ended up involved in a riot, 2 completely different things.

No as for anyone committing felony and being found guilty they would loose their right to own a firearm .

Odd how democrats dont know the laws isnt it
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A riot is something that happens when private businesses are looted and burned.
Insurrection is when the riot's purpose is to overthrow the government or interfere with official government officials or acts which was clearly the purpose of the attack on the capitol as expressed by multiple people using the phrase, "stop the steal."

Then you have to include conspiracy to commit sedition which doesn't require that violent act but the violent act tends to give a lot of support to the conspiracy had the intent of attacking the government.
 
Bull&Terrier said:
being part of a mob does not make you responsible for what individuals in a mob do.


for example, Should I be charged with arson because I marched for police reform? defied curfew orders etc?
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You would have to be committing a crime yourself while part of the mob (like trespass), but very often you can be charged as an accessory to the crimes of others you are participating with.
 
Jarod said:
"A misdemeanor is a crime punishable by less than 12 months in jail. Community service, probation, fines, and imprisonment for less than a year are commonly issued punishments for misdemeanors. More grievous crimes, felonies, carry stiffer penalties, including jail time of more than 12 months. type. wex definitions." - Cornell Law School

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/misd... definitions
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A petty misdemeanor is not a misdemeanor. They are different classes of offense. A parking ticket is not a criminal offense. I don't know how every states classifies them, but I know in Minnesota, a petty misdemeanor is defined as a non-criminal offense. I believe that's the case in most if not all states. I'll admit I could be wrong. I'm differentiating between a 'ticketable' offense as opposed to an offense that involves jail times. I think this is a semantics discussion more than anything else.

Subd. 4a.Petty misdemeanor. "Petty misdemeanor" means a petty offense which is prohibited by statute, which does not constitute a crime and for which a sentence of a fine of not more than $300 may be imposed.

All that aside...... I did a little more research, and it's pretty obvious that your call is the correct one, clearly the intent was disrupt a government function, so there is no petty charge involved here. It's all criminal.
 
Jarod said:
No, if you want to decriminalize something, you make it a civil infraction punishable by a fine. In Florida, every single Misdemeanor, even a second degree misdemeanor is punishable by at least 60 days in jail. Speeding is not a crime, its a civil infraction punishable by a fine.
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Just read this after my post. Definitely a semantics discussion. I suspect you know more about this than I do. That's the distinction I was trying to make. Obviously my home state defines things differently.
 
Concart said:
A petty misdemeanor is not a misdemeanor. They are different classes of offense. A parking ticket is not a criminal offense. I don't know how every states classifies them, but I know in Minnesota, a petty misdemeanor is defined as a non-criminal offense. I believe that's the case in most if not all states. I'll admit I could be wrong. I'm differentiating between a 'ticketable' offense as opposed to an offense that involves jail times. I think this is a semantics discussion more than anything else.

Subd. 4a.Petty misdemeanor. "Petty misdemeanor" means a petty offense which is prohibited by statute, which does not constitute a crime and for which a sentence of a fine of not more than $300 may be imposed.

All that aside...... I did a little more research, and it's pretty obvious that your call is the correct one, clearly the intent was disrupt a government function, so there is no petty charge involved here. It's all criminal.
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I do admit that other states could very well have different classifications for what is a crime. Here and in most areas I know, the word misdemeanor indicates a minor crime.

What these people did is not simple trespass.
 
Jarod said:
I do admit that other states could very well have different classifications for what is a crime. Here and in most areas I know, the word misdemeanor indicates a minor crime.

What these people did is not simple trespass.
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On that count, there is no disagreement. The other is just semantics. We have the same understanding.
 
Jarod said:
"A misdemeanor is a crime punishable by less than 12 months in jail. Community service, probation, fines, and imprisonment for less than a year are commonly issued punishments for misdemeanors. More grievous crimes, felonies, carry stiffer penalties, including jail time of more than 12 months. type. wex definitions." - Cornell Law School

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/misdemeanor#:~:text=A misdemeanor is a crime,wex definitions
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Thanks, but the assholes who raided the Capitol and participated in murdering a police officer and attacking over 50 more are going to be guilty of more than a misdemeanor. Trespassing is a misdemeanor. Sedition, assault, murder along with conspiracy to commit those crimes is not.

What will be amusingly ironic is that when the FBI investigates these assholes, even if they never entered the Capitol, they could easily be found to have warrants or guilty of other crimes such as illegal weapons, silencers, drugs, etc.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Thanks, but the assholes who raided the Capitol and participated in murdering a police officer and attacking over 50 more are going to be guilty of more than a misdemeanor. Trespassing is a misdemeanor. Sedition, assault, murder along with conspiracy to commit those crimes is not.

What will be amusingly ironic is that when the FBI investigates these assholes, even if they never entered the Capitol, they could easily be found to have warrants or guilty of other crimes such as illegal weapons, silencers, drugs, etc.
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Yup
 
Those on the Right think that they are the only ones that carry or own guns!

BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Gun ownership is more common among men than women, and white men are particularly likely to be gun owners. Among those who live in rural areas, 46% say they are gun owners, compared with 28% of those who live in the suburbs and 19% in urban areas. There are also significant differences across parties, with Republican and Republican-leaning independents more than twice as likely as Democrats and those who lean Democratic to say they own a gun (44% vs. 20%).

For many adults who own guns, exposure to guns happened at an early age. About two-thirds of current gun owners (67%) say there were guns in their household growing up, and 76% report that they first fired a gun before they were 18. While non-gun owners are less likely to have grown up in a gun-owning household, a substantial share (40%) say this is the case, and about six-in-ten (61%) say they have fired a gun.

I was raised in a family household that did not own a gun. I didn't purchase my first gun until I got married and started going deer/dove/quail/turkey hunting with my Father-In-Law and Brother-in-law (also lifelong Democrats) every year.

I'm not really into hunting anymore. I actually enjoy photographing the same animals I used to shoot with a gun. I think it is great that people still go hunting though as I know how much I used to enjoy it. I took up Fly Fishing and that pretty much replaced hunting in my life now. I only have so much time for outdoor sports now, and I use my spare time to go fly-fishing at every opportunity now.

I just use my guns to protect my household and campsites now.
 
Jarod said:
I think there is at least one photo of a guy in the capitol with a firearm.

It does not matter to me, as we saw, a fire extinguisher can be used as a deadly weapon.
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If there was, you would have posted it.

Fists can be used as deadly weapons. Should be ban those with fists from doing certain things?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Some were relieved of their weapons. Only a fucking moron goes armed to a Presidential COVID rally.

Furthermore, I strongly suspect the FBI will be looking for you, dude. I strongly suggest you get all you affairs in order....unless you are paper tiger and were never on Parler or Facebook preaching sedition and the murder of Americans as you did on JPP. Then you might only receive a slap on the wrist.

Have you ever been arrested before? Convicted of a crime? If it's a second or third offense, this could be very, very bad for you.
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i'm still here, aren't I? so fuck you, traitor, and fuck the feds
 
Jarod said:
If you participated in an armed insurrection on the United States Capitol, you should lose your right to carry a firearm for life.


Agreed?
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disagree. those who committed a felony that has a jail term of more than one year would lose them. those who didn't commit any felonies should have their rights retained as per US law.
 
Maybe--at best. Having a felony conviction--anyone having one--isn't necessarily precluded from ownership of a firearm. More importantly, the Capitol riot wasn't an "armed insurrection." In fact almost no one has been charged (just a few) with a weapons count and of those, NOT A SINGLE PERSON FOR A FIREARMS CHARGE. So, the OP by Jerod, is incorrect in its formulation.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Maybe--at best. Having a felony conviction--anyone having one--isn't necessarily precluded from ownership of a firearm. More importantly, the Capitol riot wasn't an "armed insurrection." In fact almost no one has been charged (just a few) with a weapons count and of those, NOT A SINGLE PERSON FOR A FIREARMS CHARGE. So, the OP by Jerod, is incorrect in its formulation.
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meanwhile in portland.......
 
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