The felons from Jan 6 should never legally carry a gun again.

[Bulletbob]

If you participated in an armed insurrection on the United States Capitol, you should lose your right to carry a firearm for life.


Agreed?

first there was no armed insurrection, there was a protest and some of the protesters ended up involved in a riot, 2 completely different things.

No as for anyone committing felony and being found guilty they would loose their right to own a firearm .

Odd how democrats dont know the laws isnt it

 

[Underdog]

A bunch of dead terrorists laying in the streets of capitals across the US would be an improvement. "Some people need killing" and that rule always applies to terrorists regardless of skin-tone, nationality or religion.

lol so you want other people to do your killing of fellow americans seeking to petition the government for redress.


46 years of claimed service, and an open hostility to the US constitution and the people living in this country.



fucking faker.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I think there is at least one photo of a guy in the capitol with a firearm.

It does not matter to me, as we saw, a fire extinguisher can be used as a deadly weapon.

It doesn't matter. A Bible can be used as a weapon. The bottom line here is Trump ramped up a bunch of his RWNJ fans and pointed them at Congress to "take back" the election. It's sedition. It resulted in the deaths of five Americans including the brutal beating death of one police officer and the injuries of over 50 more. Now they are threatening to attack all State capitals. They are terrorists regardless if they are armed with rifles or a fire extinguisher and they should be treated accordingly.

 

[Jarod]

So you think that standing on the steps of the capitol to petition the government for redress, which may included misdemeanor trespassing or disorderly conduct summonses, those people should have thier civil rights, aka the right to own a firearm revoked?


I guess protesting is no longer "what democracy looks like".



I find your position extremist and bordering fascist.

Standing on the steps, when they are closed, in a joint effort to prevent a Constitutionally required task of Congress required for the peaceful transfer of power to a Democratically elected president, yes.

Standing on the steps, when they are open, to tell people how you feel.... no.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

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You're a coward and a liar. Fuck off coward.

 

[Concart]

On the steps? Yes, they were committing a crime (Trespassing), participating in a joint effort that murdered at least one police officer.

In the interest of fairness and specificity, just trespassing on the grounds of a Federal building is not a crime, it is a petty misdemeanor, which does not rise to the level of criminality. However, any destruction of property, seriously bodily injury or possession of a weapon during that trespass is a felony. Standing on the capitol steps? You get a fine. Start breaking windows, destroying property, attacking police officers, carrying a firearm....... you are a felon, and you will be caught. Even if only the people who directly participated in those activities are charged, that's still probably a majority of that mob.

 

[Underdog]

Standing on the steps, when they are closed, in a joint effort to prevent a Constitutionally required task of Congress required for the peaceful transfer of power to a Democratically elected president, yes.

Standing on the steps, when they are open, to tell people how you feel.... no.

Standing on the steps affected the vote not. suggesting one should lose thier civil rights for trespassing on steps of the capitol is the antithesis of what a free nation represents.


even those inside, if they aren't charged and convicted of a felony, thier rights should remain.

 

[Underdog]

You're a coward and a liar. Fuck off coward.

you deleted my post, coward. that thread is giving me returns in spades, you are beside yourself over it lol.....

lol so you want other people to do your killing of fellow americans seeking to petition the government for redress.


46 years of claimed service, and an open hostility to the US constitution and the people living in this country.



fucking faker.

 

[Jarod]

first there was no armed insurrection, there was a protest and some of the protesters ended up involved in a riot, 2 completely different things.

No as for anyone committing felony and being found guilty they would loose their right to own a firearm .

Odd how democrats dont know the laws isnt it

1) I know the law.
2) Those insurrectionists were trying to prevent the process of Democracy, their own words prove it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

you deleted my post, coward. that thread is giving me returns in spades, you are beside yourself over it lol.....

Another lie, asshole. Figures a bullshitting coward like yourself would try to deflect from his own actions. Fuck off coward.

 

[Jarod]

In the interest of fairness and specificity, just trespassing on the grounds of a Federal building is not a crime, it is a petty misdemeanor, which does not rise to the level of criminality. However, any destruction of property, seriously bodily injury or possession of a weapon during that trespass is a felony. Standing on the capitol steps? You get a fine. Start breaking windows, destroying property, attacking police officers, carrying a firearm....... you are a felon, and you will be caught. Even if only the people who directly participated in those activities are charged, that's still probably a majority of that mob.

Sorry even a petty misdemeanor is a CRIME. This was not simple trespass, trespass with intent to prevent the business of Government is more than simple Trespass. The way they got onto the steps matters also, they were part of a group that violently broke down barriers and battered and killed police to make those particular steps accessible.

 

[Jarod]

Standing on the steps affected the vote not. suggesting one should lose thier civil rights for trespassing on steps of the capitol is the antithesis of what a free nation represents.


even those inside, if they aren't charged and convicted of a felony, thier rights should remain.

See above, not simple Trespass.

 

[Underdog]

Another lie, asshole. Figures a bullshitting coward like yourself would try to deflect from his own actions. Fuck off coward.

Make me.


you changed my post to a "."


tell me how is one active duty for 46 years, a pilot, but never got close to combat? how did you avoid going to Iaq, kuwait, syria, afghanistan, grenada, the balkans, I can go on and on and on.....


Did you go in before or after you had a college education?


your story is very suspect.

 

[Underdog]

See above, not simple Trespass.

Standing on steps, is simple trespass.


Of all those charged, how many so far have been felonies?


the law disagrees with you.



Standing on steps protesting what they feel is a grievance is what this country is made from. you all used to believe that.

 

[Concart]

Sorry even a petty misdemeanor is a CRIME. This was not simple trespass, trespass with intent to prevent the business of Government is more than simple Trespass. The way they got onto the steps matters also, they were part of a group that violently broke down barriers and battered and killed police to make those particular steps accessible.

Don't agree. If you want to decriminalize something, you make it a petty misdemeanor. I don't think the legal definition of crime includes petty misdemeanors. But I'm picking nits, fundamentally we are in agreement. I'm not sure about that specific trespass statute (the one you mentioned with intent), and that may very well be more than a petty misdemeanor. I just looked up the charge for trespassing on federal property, so you could very well be right about that. Above my pay grade.

 

[Jarod]

Standing on the steps affected the vote not. suggesting one should lose thier civil rights for trespassing on steps of the capitol is the antithesis of what a free nation represents.


even those inside, if they aren't charged and convicted of a felony, thier rights should remain.

It actually did, it was part of the mob, and as you may or may not know, those particular steps are always closed to the public, because they are just outside the Senate floor. There is a reason they are closed off and protected. Before the mob broke the windows, the floor was evacuated because they were on those particular steps. In a mob, you can be prosecuted for the actions of the entire mob.

 

[Underdog]

Another lie, asshole. Figures a bullshitting coward like yourself would try to deflect from his own actions. Fuck off coward.

I already picked a side in 1975 when I took the oath to support and defend the Constitution. Yes, I'm fully ammoed up. I'm well trained, thanks to those who actually paid taxes unlike you and I stay proficient, in both long range and short range shooting.
I prefer long range overwatch because I can lay down and relax.

Since when do chinook pilots do "overwatch"?


stolen valor fake ass mother fucker.

 

[Jarod]

Don't agree. If you want to decriminalize something, you make it a petty misdemeanor. I don't think the legal definition of crime includes petty misdemeanors. But I'm picking nits, fundamentally we are in agreement. I'm not sure about that specific trespass statute (the one you mentioned with intent), and that may very well be more than a petty misdemeanor. I just looked up the charge for trespassing on federal property, so you could very well be right about that. Above my pay grade.

No, if you want to decriminalize something, you make it a civil infraction punishable by a fine. In Florida, every single Misdemeanor, even a second degree misdemeanor is punishable by at least 60 days in jail. Speeding is not a crime, its a civil infraction punishable by a fine.

 

[Jarod]

"A misdemeanor is a crime punishable by less than 12 months in jail. Community service, probation, fines, and imprisonment for less than a year are commonly issued punishments for misdemeanors. More grievous crimes, felonies, carry stiffer penalties, including jail time of more than 12 months. type. wex definitions." - Cornell Law School

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/misdemeanor#:~:text=A misdemeanor is a crime,wex definitions

 

[Underdog]

It actually did, it was part of the mob, and as you may or may not know, those particular steps are always closed to the public, because they are just outside the Senate floor. There is a reason they are closed off and protected. Before the mob broke the windows, the floor was evacuated because they were on those particular steps. In a mob, you can be prosecuted for the actions of the entire mob.

being part of a mob does not make you responsible for what individuals in a mob do.


for example, Should I be charged with arson because I marched for police reform? defied curfew orders etc?